I had a 2007 QC 4x4 1500 Hemi with 4:11 gears got 7mpg towing my TT
I purchased a 2012 CC 3500 4x4 CTD same trailer same trips I avg 10-12.5 MPG
Much different going from 4000 rpm at 70 mph to 1700 rpm at 70 mph
truck does not work near as hard as the Hemi had to
I love the change and am not looking back I do not miss my Hemi it was a great truck but my CTD is most AWESOME

 

the diesel will tow better and get much better gas mileage while towing. question is do you tow often enough that you actually need the CTD?

 

I tow a 2013 wildwood tbss that weighs around 6000 dry weight. I get 9 to 10 mpg towing at 55 to 60 mph. I have found that towing 60 or under I get the best mileage. My rpm on flat ground is around 1750.

 

If I recall correctly MD is pretty flat didnt get nothing like that here in Cali

 

I am at the fence I don't go long distance that much and I do have my truck the way I want it I know the diesel will not work as hard but my hemi pulls it ok but thank you all for the input

 

I'm in the military, so I move every 2-4 years. When we move, I always tow my wife's vehicle. Her vehicle is usually loaded with misc. household goods along with the bed of my truck. This last move was the first time I got tow with something other than a gas truck... WOW, what a difference! Night and day obviously. With a gasser (3.92 rear) I was around 8-10 mpg. My diesel(3.73) was getting me around 13.5-14 consistent and over 15 mpg on a nice stretch on I-40 at one point. This last move, my GCWR was just over 15k.

 

If you tow enough, diesel hands down! I traded mine as I sold my crawler and barely use my current TT. My TT is 34' and weights around 7500 lbs. my 2500 pulled it like it wasn't even there, usually got about 11 mpg towing, but I was usually running 70-75 mph ( a little fast for that kind of weight). CTD is a towing machine.

 

thanks for all the input but for the amount that we tow my hemi will do me just fine maybe the next one will be a diesel

 

Wow, that's not much I'm still thinking about getting one so now I know what can I get away with.

 

Just pulled a friends 8500# boat from Oklahoma City, OK to Lake of the Ozarks, MO and got around 12.5 @ 70 mph. A few months ago I pulled another friends 11,000#boat form OKC to Galveston TX and got 11 mpg but was running 80+ mph. Both boats were on triple axle trailers. I regularly pull a 5000# boat to the lake and get about 13 mpg.

Caveat--I didn't see anything but 11.5 pulling till I hit 55,000mi on the odo.

I think if you got the diesel you would find yourself towing more often, it's just not the work and worry as pulling with a gas engine. Before this truck I had a 1500 mega w/ hemi and it would only get 9 mpg if I even looked at a trailer.

 

Gary, you're making the right call. For as little you tow, it would not be worth it. For what you described, it would take more then 10 years to make up the cost of the diesel option alone! And that doesn't count stepping up from a 1500 to a 2500.

 

The diesel option alone brings the resale up almost the price of the initial cost. Look at an 8 year old diesel cost verses an 8 year old Hemi 1500....

 

gas vs diesel

i agree i got my truck the way we like it and the payment would go up to much for my liking

 

i agree i got my truck the way we like it and the payment would go up to much for my liking

Man, that is a beatiful truck I will be getting a 13 pretty soon.

 

Do the math............

 

i have done the math. hell, i bought an 8 year old CTD last summer. the difference in resale cost does not account for the initial cost of the diesel truck, not even close. i really have no idea what used diesel truck prices go for in canada so maybe its difference up there.

i love the CTD. its great, if you need or want one, by all means go for it, you will not regret it. but if your going to weight out the overall cost difference to see if it financially makes sense, then in this situation the CTD comes out on the losing end of the stick. if your someone that tows heavy frequently, then yes, it would absolutely make financial sense to buy one.

 

Gasser towing - 8-10 mpg...
Diesel towing - 10-12 mpg...

 

In CANADA 8 years ago, 2005 the diesel was a 6,950 option, in the US it was 5 grand. Here is the window tag from my 2005 Ram. And 10 years ago in 2003 it was a 6,295 option in CANADA, and $4500 in the US. My 2003 window tag is attached also.

 

and 10 years ago my 1500 hemi 4x4 stickered for 34k. My 2012 Stickered for 38,560. I can see at bonham chrysler, they have a pretty equal optioned 2012 2500 for a sticker of 50,860. http://www.bonhamchrysler.com/2012-RAM-2500-SLT-Sherman-TX/vd/12450880
Pretty close to mine. I don't have tow mirrors, that one doesn't have fog lights. Both center console, both considered SLT.

Thats a 12,300 difference.
The diesel option being better at resale isn't worth the higher cost. The higher monthly payment, the higher cost of diesel fuel, the newer (07+) diesels getting no better fuel mileage than a gasser, the higher maintenance cost, etc is simply not worth it over a gasser. Now, with the 13s running DEF, you have to factor that into the cost of running a diesel.

For someone who tows all the time and doesnt want the hassle of a gas engine struggling, a diesel is great. But for daily driving and towing just occasionally, there is no huge advantage.

 

I'll give you one more. Here is my brothers 2010 and my 2010. His 1500 stickered at 55,590, my 3500 stickered at 58,715. I got 42,000 for my trade in. He went to trade his in and they offered him 30,000 on a trade. Same dealer, same salesman, same family, same month. Both trucks had compareable mileage on them. Argue all you want, those are the FACTS.

 

nobody pays sticker so arguing sticker price is a waste of time. fact of the matter is there are way more hemi's on the lot (and more 1500's vs 2500's) and you get a much better deal on them. they are not anywhere near as flexible on the price of the CTD trucks. so when you crunch the numbers that would actually be paying, it comes out way cheaper. i could scan the sticker for my truck, but it would mean absolutely nothing but its not what i PAID for the truck.

 

Ok, look at EMPLOYEE Price on the right. Doesn't matter. Been doing these numbers games since 1990 with CTD's and you will always come out ahead verses a gasser.

 

maybe in your situation it does, but it doesnt work out that way for everybody. i would never pay $50,000 for a 1500. thats absurd. i paid just over $23k for my 2012 express and my buddy paid $35k for his 2012 fully loaded sport. a similarly equipped CTD would have cost either one of us at least $15k.

 

Siding with Carl. Diesels make up a lot of value at resale.


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theres no argument there. however, telling somebody that they will save money by buying a brand new diesel truck as opposed to a 1500 hemi when they dont tow often, thats where the issue is. honestly, all i hope the outcome of this thread is that whoever reads it (be it the OP or anyone else considering this topic) does the math for themselves to see which truck works best for them.

 

When did those two dealers you just showed trucks for move to Canada? My dealer sold my truck the next day for 45K

 

Really?

http://www.countrysidechrysler.ca/u...chrysler.ca/used/Dodge/2010-Dodge-Ram+3500-edcd01400a0a00de00a5524296cbd3cb.htm

I believe that's your truck listed for 35k.

So they list it for 35k but someone comes in and offers them 45k for it?
I'm not so sure I see a dealer giving someone 42k for a truck then instantly listing it for 35,9. Why would the dealer take a 7,000 loss if they sell your trucks so easily, within 24 hours of you giving it to them? Maybe if its been sitting on the lot for a year, they'd take a loss, but after 24 hours?
Why is it that you can go to NADA ( a US site, yes) and price a 2010 MEGA cab SLT with the same options as yours, with 60k miles (not km) and the trade in value top dollar is 32? But yours is so special it gets 10k more trade in and the dealer has no problem taking a huge loss?

 

And this is why i have a '96 ext cab long bed 2500 cummins and a '11 qcsb 1500 hemi.

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I was there the next day and they were giving it a safety check because it was supposed to be sold. Salesman told me what he got for it. Deal fell through or something. I haven't seen the truck on the lot but I wasn't looking for it either. And yes, that is for sure my truck.

 

:lurk:

 

C'mon now... Power wagon owners aren't allowed to be lurking in diesel forums....

 

I guess I could have got 7 grand more off the price if they gave me 7 grand too much for my truck then what they are selling it for. And since you want to bring up the selling price, here is a few 2010 SLT 1500's in Ontario with roughly the same mileage and they are asking 10 to 12 grand difference in price. Didn't you say that the diesel costs 12 grand more? I rest my case again.

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...UP/MISSISSAUGA/Ontario/5_17403689_ON20070730112013555/?ursrc=pl&showcpo=ShowCPO

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...+PICKUP/GUELPH/Ontario/5_16961096_ON20070730101826524/?ursrc=pl&showcpo=ShowCPO


http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...ICKUP/OAKVILLE/Ontario/5_17295986_ON20080109100122226/?ursrc=pl&showcpo=ShowCPO

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...+PICKUP/GUELPH/Ontario/5_16476639_ON20070730101826524/?ursrc=pl&showcpo=ShowCPO

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...RAM+1500+PICKUP/WINDSOR/Ontario/5_16838824_ON20081029090334578/?showcpo=ShowCPO

http://wwwb.autotrader.ca/a/Dodge/R...1500+PICKUP/MISSISSAUGA/Ontario/5_17381466_ON20080116103348421/?showcpo=ShowCPO

 

Your point isn't proven at all. Actually its quite the contrary. Diesels sell for 10-12k more than gas. And you just proved that gas engines a few years later are selling for about 10k less than a diesel. You are trying to show that you make up "so much" at resale, but in reality, you paid less for the Hemi, payed less to run it if you arent towing daily, and your truck is now worth the same as compared to a used diesel that cost more monthly as well as cost more to run, if you arent towing daily.

I notice you never really addressed your truck being listed for 35k, you only addressed it still being there

So the dealer is willing to take a 8k loss to give you a good deal? Or they really actually gave you 32 and you added 10k to make it look better for this argument?

If dealers lost 8k on every deal, they probably wouldnt stay in business. Just because they gave you 42k and had INSTANTLY listed it for 7k less, doesn't mean that happens every day. If your story is true, which its not, its a one in a million story and should not be used for resale value arguments.