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01 Ram Van B2500 5.2L V8 quit running, 'no bus' error and P0920, P0921, and PO999

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Hi,
My 2001 Ram Van B2500 5.2L V8 gasoline van has 189000 miles. Transmission part number on the side of the transmission appears to be PK52119753AA 0171 1973 .

Changed the tranny fluid (used 4+ fluid) and filter (from dodge) about 5000 miles ago. During the fluid and filter change, I noticed that the pan was pretty clean, with no noticeable metal or filings, just very fine metal particles (paste size particles), but not even that was covering the magnet in the pan very thickly, so I concluded that there was nothing much going on badly in the transmission at the time.

Nevertheless, I did change the fluid because miles and because of some problems with shifting correctly when cold and when starting again after coming to a stop. After coming to a stop and when starting again, I noticed that the transmission did not appear to be starting out in 1st gear. I could put it in Low, and it would respond like I expected. Afterwards, I would check the fluid level and find it a bit low (below the low mark on the stick, but still on the stick) and so I would top it off, solving the problem of starting automatically in 1st gear from a stop.

Both before and after I changed the fluid and filter, I had also noticed that the transmission is losing a little transmission fluid, not leaking enough to puddle on the ground, or enough for me to be able to tell exactly where it is leaking from, but enough to make me have to add about 1/4 to 1/2 pint every 600 miles or so. While leaking slowly, it is leaking enough for the level to eventually fall below the 'low' mark on the dip stick, and low enough to negatively affect shifting. But, when I would bring the level back up, the van would run fine. So much for history.

Today as I was driving it (for about 15 minutes) the motor simply died while driving at about 30 mph, no shuttering, no sounds, just no more running motor. After coming to a stop, the engine lights would come on and the key would cause the engine to turn over but the engine would not even attempt to start or run.

The digital display odometer indicated 'no bus' when I came to a stop when it first died. When I used the three times-key-on, key-off method to display the OBD codes, the message "chec 920, 921, 999" displayed, then nothing more. I believe that these are the codes:

P0921 Gear Shift Forward Actuator Circ Range/Perf
P0922 Gear Shift Forward Actuator Circ Low
P0999 Shift Solenoid F Ctrl Circ Hi

Based on what I have read on these forums, the 'no bus' error message made me think that the sensors, such as the crankshaft, camshaft, MAF, or throttle position sensors might be bad, but each time I run the error codes on the odometer display they return the same message "chec 920, 921, 999" which leads me to think I should replace either the transmission range sensor, transmission speed sensor, or transmission governor sensor first. On the other hand, perhaps something more is going on that is keeping the transmission range sensor from working right.

Any ideas on what might be the problem?

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Discussion starter · #3 ·
Hi B-300,

Yes, it appears that the headlights and all the dash lights are working. I disconnected the battery for about 15 minutes to allow things to reset, then reconnected it.

After resetting the system, turning the key would allow the engine to turn over, just like before, and all the lights, chimes, etc would come on but the engine would not start or run.

Once I turned the key to the 'on' position and left it there, counting the elapsed seconds. During the first few seconds the odometer readout would show the mileage. Then the odometer readout would begin to flash, and finally, after a few more seconds, 'no bus' is displayed. If I then continue to leave the key on, a few more seconds later, perhaps a maximum of 20, then the odometer display will begin to read: "Chec..." then "...920..." then "...921..." then finally "...999.." and then would stay with the '999' code displayed.

I have checked with two transmission shops, and neither were aware of the codes I mentioned, and I assume that is because the 900 series of codes are factory codes, not emissions related codes. At this point, I am thinking that those codes are an artifact, or that is, perhaps they don't tell the real story.

Since I made the original post, I found and ordered a factory PCM module troubleshooting manual and a factory service manual for the van. They should arrive in the mail this weekend.

In reading other posts on this site, I see that my problem might be one of the sensors on the van. The crankshaft sensor seems to be a common culprit, but so are the camshaft sensor, the speed sensor, and a few others. I think I would rather try to test the various sensors to see if they are good rather than just to start throwing money/parts at it at random.

Any thoughts on troubleshooting are sure welcome.
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
While I have not yet pulled a plug and watched it, I would say that it has no spark as there is not even a hint at trying to start, although the battery is fully charged and the starter motor is working great. I am not near the van now, so I will have to check this later.

When it died, I was traveling about 30 mph at even speed and there was no indication of slow full flow cutoff or anything, the engine just quit running very suddenly.

Thanks for your suggestions, I will check them out.

Oh yes, I did also look at each fuse and at each component in the power distribution module, and no fuses/components appear to be blown. In fact, the suddenness of the engine stop running sort of made me think it may have been a fuse or an electrical component failing.
 
Discussion starter · #10 ·
Hi Alloro,

Thanks for your troubleshooting wisdom. I unplugged and replugged each of the three connectors on the PCM, but no difference.

I did allow the odometer readout to cycle beyond the '999' code as described earlier by depressing the reset button for the odometer. When I did so, then the system appeared to go thru a test of all the lights and gauges, and all the lights and gauges appeared to be working well.

Alloro, I have not gotten the FSM in yet, but do you know of a way to test the existing PCM? If I were to take it off the vehicle and down to a Dodge dealership, could they tell me if it were any good?

Thanks for your help.
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Thanks Alloro,
I will now start looking up good sources for the PCM. Any real difference in longevity/performance between a new one and a rebuilt one? Finally, I will look on this site, but any suggestions on some sources for reliable rebuilt ones?

I appreciate your time and help.
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
Hi All,
It has been a while, but I finally got my rebuilt computer back from Cardone yesterday (9/21). It took right at 1 month from when they received it and when I received my rebuilt unit back. Installed it, and checked for error codes using the key twist method, and got no codes set. Engine started right up and is running great.

I would like to thank you all who contributed comments to this thread, as your comments helped me to actually solve my problem. I appreciate it.
 
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