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Im looking for either some 38s or 39s . I need a tire that will hold up very well in mud but not wear down to quickly. Ive looked at some of the super swampers and they seem to be either crappy on the streets/ good in mud or viceversa.
Am I wrong here and which tire would fit my needs good?
 

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I've got Mickey Thompson Baja claws haven't really offroaded them but when I did they kept the weight of my CTD going quite well they have also been good on the street not to loud and after 3 months they don't even seem worn at all. Super Swampers are only good if you plan to almost never drive it on the road bias ply's do not work on daily drivers. Toyo open countrys also seem good, the only tire I would stay away from is Pro Comp.
 

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I have seen ppl have good luck with the toyo open country m/t. I have firestome destination m/t's and I have almost 8,xxx on them and no real signs of wear..They dig pretty good.
 

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Anyone know about the super swamper TSL boggers? It says on top gun customz they are only 248.95 a piece for the 15X38.5x16r . Thats under 1000$. Best price i've seen so far for 38s. The tread looks like it would have insane traction in some mud. I wouldnt mind the loud street noise. Any ideas how many miles they would last on the street?
 

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The Boggers are the worst of the Super Swampers. Mileage all depends on how frequently you have your tires balanced, rotated, etc...
 

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Has anyone ever heard of the generaltires Grabber AT2's? they really cheap which sorta worries me an makes me think about them more..... there almost the price i could have them jsut for off roading so i can buy a good pair of onroad tires...
 

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38's and 39's a kinda big for the axles on a 1500, escpecially if you plan to use it hard. Expect to have things break often.
 

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A member on here, pitbull I think, just got boggers for his 2nd gen ram. You could ask him about them. I've heard that boggers will only last around 18k miles.
 

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jondr770 said:
Im looking for either some 38s or 39s . I need a tire that will hold up very well in mud but not wear down to quickly. Ive looked at some of the super swampers and they seem to be either crappy on the streets/ good in mud or viceversa.
Am I wrong here and which tire would fit my needs good?
Check out the radial Super Swamper Irok in a 39.5x13.50. I've driven them on the street for long periods and they've done suprisingly well (33x13.50R17). Bias ply tires, especially the Boggers, WILL flatten out over night, some times sooner (ask PitBull). Expect to get a MAX of 20,000 street miles on a set of Boggers.
 

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38's and 39's a kinda big for the axles on a 1500, escpecially if you plan to use it hard. Expect to have things break often.
I agree and disagree with this statment. What hurts our D44 front axles is the two peice design on the passenger side. Generally speaking the D44 is not considered a 'weak' axle. I've seen several push 44' tires without issues. I've seen even more with some big HP numbers pushing slightly smaller tires (38" range). In fact, last month "Off Road Adventures" magazine featured a K5 Blazer on 44's with something like 500 HP.

Some things you can do to beef up your D44 include the 35 spline shafts, CTM (or similar) u-joints, and a thick ring gear. There are a ton of upgrades out there for D44 axles. The 9.25 rear should hold up for a while. However, there aren't near as many upgrades for that axle.

Don't get me wrong - I'm not saying I'd rather have a D44 over a D60....especially with those tires. I'm just saying that it's not impossible to run 38's or better with a D44. And you can replace a LOT of axles and u-joints for the price of some D60's. Just something to consider.
 

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ss thornbirds?

what about the 38.5x14.5x16r super swamper thornbirds? Anyone know anything about these tires ? there not that much money only 265 a piece .
 

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jondr770 said:
Anyone know about the super swamper TSL boggers? It says on top gun customz they are only 248.95 a piece for the 15X38.5x16r . Thats under 1000$. Best price i've seen so far for 38s. The tread looks like it would have insane traction in some mud. I wouldnt mind the loud street noise. Any ideas how many miles they would last on the street?
That's cheep. I went to les Schwab today and they wanted $699 for ONE Toyo open country m/t that was a 37". Thats almost a months pay for me.
 

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dam thats insane they have 44 inch super swampers for like 200$ cheaper than that on topguncustomz.com
 

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what about the 38.5x14.5x16r super swamper thornbirds? Anyone know anything about these tires ? there not that much money only 265 a piece .
Anyone that I've ever known that has owned these tires hates them. They aparently suck off road, and ride like crap and wear fast on road. Another bias ply tire.

Bias ply tires are almost always a LOT cheaper than their radial counterparts. If you don't mind getting beat to death by a tire that has to warm up to the way it's supposed to, a bias ply tire is ok on the street. Problem is that they'll start to cup and chunk while they're warming up.

If you're looking at a 38"+ RADIAL tire, then plan on spending over $300 per tire. Nitto (Mud Grappler) and Toyo (Open Country M/T) both have some good all round tires. The biggest draw back with these two is the lack of sizes in a 15 and 16 inch wheel sizes, and price.
 

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So what would yall say is the best tire for a daily driver but will also do pretty good in mud?
 

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toyo open country m/t's picked mine up for 375 a tire....
 

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I have Toyo Open Country M/Ts 315/75R16 on my truck. Paid 228 a tire at Les Schwab. They are just plain awesome. Quiet on the street, smooth ride and awesome hook up in mud, rocks, and sand. I would highly recommend them.
 

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I have Toyo Open Country M/Ts 315/75R16 on my truck. Paid 228 a tire at Les Schwab. They are just plain awesome. Quiet on the street, smooth ride and awesome hook up in mud, rocks, and sand. I would highly recommend them.
That's a good price. when I was looking at the 37's I asked them if that price was for all four or one. He said one. Allmost made me change my mind about lifting the truck after he said that. I got a price at another store for Copper 37's that was around $300 a tire. The tread is about the same as the toyo's.
 

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I'd go with Super Swamper Radial SSR's in 38x15.5x16 if you want a mud radial that will ride nice on the street.

I have just about 35k miles on my 35" SSR's and they ride and wear great.

Another tire I would consider is the Super Swamper TSL in 38x13x16. It's a bias ply so it will ride a little rough, but being narrow it will handle better and weigh less. Proper pressure is key to getting max life out of them.

I was real close to getting the 38x13x16 for my truck, but decided a 38 was too much for a 1500. Plus I didn't want to regear to 4.88's. Or I should say i want to regear, but don't want to spend the $$$. ;)

I'm going to get the Swamper Radial TSL in 36x12.5x16 soon.

My .02 cents.
 

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The Cooper STT"s .... I had a buddy that had a set and didn't get 20k outts them. And he dosen't even drive hard..
 
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