Big Issue with License Plates UGH!!!! HELP

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prourl

Discussion Starter · May 28, 2005

Oh great am i in a pickle now.

Picked up my 2500. Drove it home. Dumbass I never noticed COMMERCIAL PLATES on it. WTF! I specifically told them I am not using for a business. It was given new plates and registered under my name.

I call dealer. Saleman and manager gone for the day. Salesman #2 answers and say OH New York State says any vehicle over 5500 lbs. is automatically given the commercial plates. I say I worked with the salesman for over a week and never once mentioned is commercial plates! He says well i dont know what to tell you. I ask to have manager call me back. Of course no callback as of yet.

Is this my screwup? How am I supposed to know these laws? Meanwhile when I got to dealer he grabs old plates and I said no these plates are not going on as it was wifes car that we traded in. So I could not transfer plates as this truck is in my name.

Shouldnt this be stated somewhere that it will be a commercial vehicle? I signed the DMV registration form but not even thinking this would be an issue. I looked at state laws and it does indeed say 5500 pounds. I thought with cap I could get away with it but no go from what I can read. Then how does a Hummer get on the road? I guess it is because it is not considered a pickup?

HELP!!!!!

What are my options??

Kevin

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Girth

· #2 · May 28, 2005

Suck it up?

What's wrong with commercial plates? That's what all NY'ers have to live with.

prourl

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 28, 2005

whats wrong? If pickup is under 5500 i can get passenger plates. Best routes by me is parkways. I have 3 parkways around me. It would be a bitch to only drive on those. Dont you agree it makes things quite difficult? I looked at the bill of sale and it says weight is 6051. This is 550 over the limit. I have 2500 QC longbed.. i wonder if the shortbed makes the weight under 5500.

Shouldnt dealer have mentioned this. I am gonna have a big issue tomorrow with them.

Kevin

yellowbee

· #4 · May 28, 2005

I'm pretty sure all fullsize trucks get commercial plates (in NE anyway)

prourl

Discussion Starter · #5 · May 28, 2005

in ny under 5500 is ok for passenger plates. over is not.

DO you think a lwb is much different in weight than swb?

Kevin

sgrizzle

· #6 · May 28, 2005

What is the problem with commercial plates? In oklahoma, all vehicles that weren't a car used to be considered commercial. The only reason they changed it was that commercial plates were cheaper.

Chances are, Hummer's got commercial plates too.

prourl

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 28, 2005

i explained the problem pretty clearly but I will try again. The roads here are called PARKWAYS which are for NON commercial. Only a couple of big roads are for commercial. Basically i never even thought this was an issue. neighbor has a 1500 and i didnt think it was so much more weight. dealer never mentioned anyting and was going to put my wifes passenger plates on.

anyone have a link to exact unladen weight of a 2005 2500 qc with lwb and swb

kevin

ThunderRoadHemi

· #8 · May 28, 2005

So you are saying that with commerical plates you wont be able to drive on most of the roads in your area?

If you sit back and look at this situation, it just doesnt make sense that you would be limited to so much restriction. Granted I have no idea of the actual law, but practicability doesnt weigh in the favor of that.

You cant be the only person in this situation, which means that other people either deal with it or dont have issues. Perhaps you can explain the law in more detail. Including its limitations and exemptions.

XPLOSV

· #9 · May 28, 2005

Dude, I'm in Texas, but I can still Google the heck out of the Internet

What are the rules regarding using pickup trucks on the Parkways?

Under the direction of Governor George E. Pataki, the New York State Department of Motor Vehicles changed its regulations in the year 2000 regarding the procedure for registering light-duty pickup trucks. You can now get passenger class plates for a light-duty pickup truck. Prior to that change, a pickup truck received commercial plates unless you made significant changes to the vehicle. Once registered as a passenger vehicle, these light-duty pickup trucks qualify for using New York State Parkways.

Where may I get more information on the decision to allow pickup trucks on the Parkways?

You may visit the following websites for more information;
http://www.gorr.state.ny.us/gorr/july21_2_99govpickups.htm
http://www.gorr.state.ny.us/gorr/1_06_00gov_pickups.html

That first link is from when they proposed the new reg. The 2nd link is when they actually enacted the new regulation. The first link mentions:

The regulation also would allow vehicles weighing more than 5,000 pounds to be registered as passenger vehicles provided: the truck bed is completely enclosed, and; there is at least one side window behind the driver, and; a seat, seat fitting or camping equipment is permanently installed in the bed the same criteria currently used to determine whether any pickup truck can be classified as a passenger vehicle.

Of course, the second 'actual' regulation summary does not mention >5000lb trucks. But at least you have a startin' point, Yankee. :gr_patrio

Y'all have some wierd laws up there.

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4404spd

· #10 · May 28, 2005

i would think that when they say commercial they mean tractor trailers and other big trucks cement mixers ect... you have a pickup i dont think its concidered a truck that cant be on those roads if you check the laws i think you find out your truck is way in the wieght limit of your parkways.

ThunderRoadHemi

· #11 · May 28, 2005

sounds like if you go with the cap you were speaking of, then you wont have a problem.....

XPLOSV

· #12 · May 28, 2005

Check this out, fellas; it gets wierder:

Pick-up Trucks (Part 106.6 (c)).
You can register a pick-up truck in the passenger class if the pick-up truck complies with all of these requirements:

--The unladen weight of the pick-up truck is 5,500 lbs. or less.

--The pick-up truck is used for non-commercial purposes.

--The pick-up truck does not have any business advertisements.

--A permanent camper top completely encloses the truck bed, and which has one or more side windows.

--The pick-up truck has seats, seat fittings, or permanent camping equipment that are installed in the truck bed. "Camping equipment" indicates that you have a permanent bed, a permanent stove, or a permanent refrigerator in the vehicle. If this equipment is removed and you use the pick-up truck, you must register the pick-up truck as a commercial vehicle.

That last one is a kick. Basically, if you can live out of your truck, it ain't commercial.

Myself, I'd rather sing Christmas carols with Oprah than put a camper top on my truck.

But there is some more info here:

You can get passenger class plates for a light-duty pick-up truck that has an unladen weight of 5,500 lbs. or less

But even if you go through all this, you have a patchwork quilt of state agencies to go through. Apparently, each of these 'parkways' is run by their own agency. As a result:

The agency that controls a parkway decides if pick-up trucks with passenger class plates are allowed on the parkway. To make sure you can drive your pick-up truck on a parkway, contact the agency that manages the parkway.

This is probably a good time to point out that Texas has no state income tax, we'd rather put salt on our margaritas instead of our roads, and we don't have this BS you guys do about trucks on parkways.

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XPLOSV

· #13 · May 28, 2005

Yo, Kevin, you mentioned Hummers. You haven't seen THEM on a NY parkway, have you? They're way in excess of 5500lbs.

prourl

Discussion Starter · #14 · May 28, 2005

i found something bizarre on NY DMV site...

Site says this:

Pick-up trucks that weigh more than 5,500 pounds:

http://www.nysdmv.com/register.htm#pick-up

If you have a pick-up truck that has an unladen weight of 5,501 lbs. or more, you cannot apply for passenger class plates through the process described above. You must modify the truck to qualify for a passenger class registration and passenger class plates. Learn more about vehicle modifications for registration class changes.

OK so I click the link to learn more:

http://www.nysdmv.com/modclass.htm

Pick-up Trucks (Part 106.6 (c)). You can register a pick-up truck in the passenger class if the pick-up truck complies with all of these requirements:

* The unladen weight of the pick-up truck is 5,500 lbs. or less.
* The pick-up truck is used for non-commercial purposes.
* The pick-up truck does not have any business advertisements.
* A permanent camper top completely encloses the truck bed, and which has one or more side windows.
* The pick-up truck has seats, seat fittings, or permanent camping equipment that are installed in the truck bed. "Camping equipment" indicates that you have a permanent bed, a permanent stove, or a permanent refrigerator in the vehicle. If this equipment is removed and you use the pick-up truck, you must register the pick-up truck as a commercial vehicle.

Ummmm... the first link said OVER 5501 and then the link pages says under 5500?? BIZARRE!!!

I am going to dealer tomorrow. They have the DMV registration form there I signed today. Wonder if i could get a cap receipt and ask them to get me passenger plates.

What do you think my best course of action is... ride with commercial plates, get a cap and wait for reggy to get new passenger plates?

Kevin

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Ram3500Dually

· #15 · May 28, 2005

I would say move to a different state. Yours has the dumbest laws I have ever seen.

HEMI2NV

· #16 · May 28, 2005

i thought ALL p/u's in NY had to get commercial plates. my dad had a cherokee and had to get them

Hemi Army

· #17 · May 28, 2005

prourl said:
i found something bizarre on NY DMV site...

Site says this:

Pick-up trucks that weigh more than 5,500 pounds:

http://www.nysdmv.com/register.htm#pick-up

If you have a pick-up truck that has an unladen weight of 5,501 lbs. or more, you cannot apply for passenger class plates through the process described above. You must modify the truck to qualify for a passenger class registration and passenger class plates. Learn more about vehicle modifications for registration class changes.

OK so I click the link to learn more:

http://www.nysdmv.com/modclass.htm

Pick-up Trucks (Part 106.6 (c)). You can register a pick-up truck in the passenger class if the pick-up truck complies with all of these requirements:

* The unladen weight of the pick-up truck is 5,500 lbs. or less.
* The pick-up truck is used for non-commercial purposes.
* The pick-up truck does not have any business advertisements.
* A permanent camper top completely encloses the truck bed, and which has one or more side windows.
* The pick-up truck has seats, seat fittings, or permanent camping equipment that are installed in the truck bed. "Camping equipment" indicates that you have a permanent bed, a permanent stove, or a permanent refrigerator in the vehicle. If this equipment is removed and you use the pick-up truck, you must register the pick-up truck as a commercial vehicle.

Ummmm... the first link said OVER 5501 and then the link pages says under 5500?? BIZARRE!!!

Kevin

Ummmm...the first link said that if you are OVER 5501 you CANNOT apply for passenger plates. The second link says if you are UNDER 5500 you CAN. What was so confusing there? :huh:

It just seems odd to me that you live in this state and you don't know this. It seems like it would be a common knowledge thing. I don't think any of this falls on the dealer. They got you the correct tags it sounds like. They probably assume that if you buy a truck you know what goes along with it. Did they tell you to change the oil? Are you going to scream that they didn't tell you to change the oil if your engine blows up?

In your first post you asked how you were supposed to know these laws. I think you answered that one already by posting the links to the laws. "I swear officer, I didn't know it was illegal to drink and drive". That doesn't work does it?

Bubba_Hemi

· #18 · May 28, 2005

If it's not used for busines... then it's not considered Commercial... right?

Also, I don't know the difference between a parkway, freeway or highway... but I do know about tollways. So, I'd say that if it's not a toll... what difference does it make? Hop on... cruise to where you need to go and hop off.

Hemi Dog

· #19 · May 28, 2005

In Calif. they all get commercial plates. Even if you get a personalized plate for it you still pay the commercial fee. Exception is trucks with campers, (permanent), are considered a motor home. As far as using roads they are restricted by weight, not type of registration so most pickups can use almost any street since they don't exceed the weight limits.

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FreeLantz

· #20 · May 28, 2005

Ram3500Dually said:
I would say move to a different state. Yours has the dumbest laws I have ever seen.

Gosh I hate to say it, but I agree! I read that whole thing and my head hurts now. Makes me even more glad than I already was, that I live in Texas!

proul, be sure and let us know how this all turns out... I'm curious for nothing other than future knowledge.

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