Just got off the phone with gibson tech support. Said they have been working on them for 7 months and on a stock 04 hemi, 8 hp 30tq. He said on the dyno, he was dissapointed with the hp numbers but was extremely pleased and could not believe the tq numbers. I asked him if he was running a programmer when they did the dyno numbers and he said absolutely not. I guess I have to take his word even though I am extremely skeptical. Who Knows, If it produced half of the tq it may be worth it.