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#1 Old 01-14-2013, 01:09 AM
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MPG comparison 8 speed GC to Ram

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2014 Grand Cherokee 8 speed 2WD

motor--5.7---3.6---3.0 Ecodiesel
City----15----17----21
Hwy----21----25----30


2013 Ram 1500 8 speed 2WD

motor--5.7---3.6---3.0 Ecodiesel
City----__----18----__
Hwy----__----25----__



The Ram did a little better than the GC with the 8 speed 3.6. It should also do a little better with the Hemi.. hopefully 16/22 to match the Ford f-150 Ecoboost.

Also assuming we get the lil diesel in the 1500, if it only matches the GC's mileage I will be real happy about that package. With 420 foot pounds of torque & 8 gears it should tow common load weights handily and very efficiently.

Thinking about it the Hemi 8 speed would be IMO a nicer and definitely better sounding truck to drive lightly loaded than the f-150 Ecoboost and the 3.0 Ecodiesel would tow better and much more fuel efficiently than the Ecoboost.

If I did my math correctly with the current price gap gas to diesel the diesel needs at least 4 mpg better to match the fuel cost. Looks like it did it although its probably not as peppy to drive empty compared to the 3.6.



EDIT I should have said in the title Hemi 8 speed GC only get 21 MPG

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15-21 on the Ram? I can't see it being more then the GC, but then again Ram said it which match or beat the ecoboost which is 22. I was hoping for 23-24 highway if its only 21 I may just get a six speed at a reduced cost.
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It's all just advertising #'s. They will likely do around 16-17MPG or less real world.

I test drove a Durango 3.6 with a window sticker of 32MPG on Saturday. I bet it would be hard pressed to break 20MPG consistently.
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It's all just advertising #'s. They will likely do around 16-17MPG or less real world.

I test drove a Durango 3.6 with a window sticker of 32MPG on Saturday. I bet it would be hard pressed to break 20MPG consistently.
Remember those are canadian gallons.

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Remember those are canadian gallons.
Yup my estimate and actual were both in the Canadian 4.5L gallon.
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There is no advertising numbers. The numbers are based on actual tests and not set by manufacturers. Naturally individuals actual numbers will vary depending on a lot of variables. Regardless it is a good baseline for comparing one manufacturer to another.

The GC is heavy and I don't think its as clean aerodynamically as the Ram. Hopefully the Ram can pull off 16/22 to match the Ecoboost but I like the Ram better than the f-150 regardless and would much rather buy from Chrysler than Ford.

If the sole reason you want the 8 speed Hemi over the current trans is mpg then yes financially it would take along time to overcome the savings you will get with the 5/6 speed discounted. Just don't forget the new trans will also tow much better and should even accelerate better without requiring the 3.92 gears. So the 8 speed truck should tow & accelerate better than a 3.92 geared truck and mileage better than even a 3.21 geared truck.

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Even if diesel was lower than gas , you need to factor in the cost of the diesel engine compared to the cost of the gas engine. At todays prices I can buy a heck of lot of gas for the cost of the diesel engine. I don't pull a trailer, so I have no need for the diesel.

While I applaud Ram for coming out with the diesel in a 1/2 ton. Especially for those that want or do pull a small trailer. I also like that they are upgrading to an 8 speed tranny. With all the changes, I still plan to keep my 09 Ram at least another 6 years. It will be interesting to see whats available then.

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One important thing to look at when comparing the two vehicle is the rear axel ratio. With the 2014 GC the only available option is the 3.45. With the Ram a higher 3.21 is standard. So in theory the Ram has the posiblity of getting better then 21 mpg highway.

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One important thing to look at when comparing the two vehicle is the rear axel ratio. With the 2014 GC the only available option is the 3.45. With the Ram a higher 3.21 is standard. So in theory the Ram has the posiblity of getting better then 21 mpg highway.
When ordering a 13 ram 8 speed it shows the 3.55 as standard and still 3.92 as optional. No option of the 3.21?

This was for a larmie crew 4x4
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They started doing that in 13 with the 6 speeds. Not sure why. Like wyat I suspect the 8 speed to come with the 3.21. I can see it pulling off 16/22 especially with the start stop option but hopefully without it.
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I just can't see the 1-2MPG difference it *might* improve, going to the 8spd being enough to justify the lose in value for someone driving a 09,10,11 or 12 to upgrade to a 13.

Now, if you are driving an older truck, and just looking for a new one, sure, go for it. But lets get really here, 22MPG is still really bad mileage, so who cares? If you need a truck, you have to accept bad MPG.
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When ordering a 13 ram 8 speed it shows the 3.55 as standard and still 3.92 as optional. No option of the 3.21?

This was for a larmie crew 4x4
3.21 must be a no cost option then, because I know they are available for the 8 speed Hemi 4x4s.

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3.21 must be a no cost option then, because I know they are available for the 8 speed Hemi 4x4s.
Like I said all it showed was 3.55 standard and the optional 3.92. No option for the 3.21 unless its not avaiable for that truck model

I do see it as and option on the 2wd

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I am not sure how true this is today, but having owned 2 prior generation 5sp Hemi Rams and a 5sp Hemi GC and 5sp Hemi Commander, all of which were 4wd, both jeeps were full time 4 wheel drive. Both Ram's I had did get better mileage then the Commander and equal mileage to the GC. I am not so sure those would not be at least very similar numbers to what the Ram gets rated at with this new Hemi 8sp.

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