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  More low-end torque .. long or short tube headers - Posted: 11-11-2012, 07:13 AM
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I can't remember which header type is for low end torque or higher rev horsepower.

I'm running basicly box stock 5.7 and looking more for low end grunt (Trailer towing) than hi rpm power.

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 Posted: 11-11-2012, 07:28 AM
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Definitely long tubes. Shorties are a waste of money.
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 Posted: 11-11-2012, 07:51 AM
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Another stupid opinion.
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Shorties for price and installation ease.

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You're right. I have shorties on my 4.7 and I lost low end but gained mid range. Could be different on the 5.7. They were super easy to install though.
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You are going to gain more tq from the longtubes, but shorties are still going to be an improvement over stock. If you dont already have a tuner, then I would go with that before headers though. A nice tune is going to give more bang for buck.
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For the price and install of longtubes.....IMO shortys and a torque converter (same price if not saving money) hands down is the best option. The TC will give that grunt down low and will put you in the power band where the shortys shine.
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Now with JBA coming out with LT that will be a good option at a cheaper price than the ARH.
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I had shortys on my 04 4.7 with a custom y pipe and that helped a lot with towing over stock. I had shortys on my 07 5.7 and I can't tell the difference power wise compared to my long tubes.
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Another stupid opinion.
Yep.

My jba short pipes were a big improvement.

I have no experience with long tubes though.
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Longtubes will always outperform shorties because they show gains across a wider rpm range. If you can swing the extra $$ and have at least a canned tune from a programmer, the longtubes will show the best results. I wouldnt run longtubes on a truck without tuning though.
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 Posted: 11-13-2012, 08:55 AM
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Longtubes will always outperform shorties because they show gains across a wider rpm range. If you can swing the extra $$ and have at least a canned tune from a programmer, the longtubes will show the best results. I wouldnt run longtubes on a truck without tuning though.
X2 This guys knows his stuff, but if/when you get long tubes, be smarts about how free flowing your exhaust is, I have long tubes and I dumped the exhaust right before the axle with two glasspacks, Trucks loves the high RPM but the truck feels like it lost some low end.
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I read somewhere, and maybe I'm not remembering right, but I'd need to add a tune if I put on any type of header because the engine would become too lean and burn itself up.

Are the tune(ers) you sell, will they work on an '11 ? I also read that performance tuners were only available for pre 11's (?)
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Running headers on stock tuning isnt going to grenade your motor, but having a tuner is going to allow you to get the full potential from the headers. I actually recommend that a tuner be the first mod before headers because you will get more bang for buck from it.

The only tuner currently available for the 2011's is the Diablo Trinity. Diablo actually released the tune a few weeks ago at SEMA.
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You're right. I have shorties on my 4.7 and I lost low end but gained mid range. Could be different on the 5.7. They were super easy to install though.
I noticed just the opposite, I gained power EVERYWHERE in my 4.7 AND 5.7 for that matter.
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I have BBK shorties and my mid range and top end is nice. Easy installation with the shorties. Whoever just comes out and says shorties are a waste is talking to hear themselves talk. One thing to look into is emission. If you have emission in your area like I do here in Atlanta area then shorties will be the best way to go. I have a friend that has the exact same truck as me and has Dynatech longtubes and he can not pass emission, but he lives in a county here in the atlanta area that does not do emission so he does not care.
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Lt will show better gains at all RPMs.

Lt can scavenge the exhaust gasses.
Shorties cannot do this.
So at all RPM the LT will perform better.

Shorties will show similar gains at some RPMs but they will never surpass the LT at any RPM.
After i installed my ARH LT headers I still had 1 of the quickest trucks out there.
You will never find a 4g ram wih shorties in the quickest ram truck thread,unless it has a converter to help it out.

Shorties have a purpose,whether for emmissions or just bang for the buck,they are there for a reason.
If I had not got such a good deal on my Lt headers I probably would have gotten a set of shorties.
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The main issue is you cannot compare a shorty header vs a Long Tube header set. One replaces the factory cats that are worth 10rwhp alone so if you want to compare the two you have to back the shorties up with a complete y-pipe with no cats or high flows of the same diameter as the LT.

Most do shorties for ease of install and not requiring custom tuning. JBA shorty headers are 50 State Legal and many states have adopted CARB so make sure you know your emissions laws before you spend you hard earned $$$.

I have seen where a factory motor does not gain ANY HP over the shorty & mid when you put a long tube and mid. The car was already over exhausted with the factory cam and heads. When you do a stroker motor or BIG heads and Cam you will for sure want a LT as the longer length of the runner will allow all the exhaust gases to exit the cylinder only allowing for fresh air to enter. No spent gases hurting HP only fresh air entering the cylinder.

JBA Shorty headers will make great HP increases and not have problems with tuning or WARRANTY. The Long Tube headers will require custom tuning and will VOID any warranty along with a loss in low end TQ. You will gain upper pull in the RPM but for most with 4k+ trucks all they want is LOW END.
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Never had LT's but my shorties combined with a Magnaflow Y pipe are way better than stock.
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The main issue is you cannot compare a shorty header vs a Long Tube header set. One replaces the factory cats that are worth 10rwhp alone so if you want to compare the two you have to back the shorties up with a complete y-pipe with no cats or high flows of the same diameter as the LT.

Most do shorties for ease of install and not requiring custom tuning. JBA shorty headers are 50 State Legal and many states have adopted CARB so make sure you know your emissions laws before you spend you hard earned $$$.

I have seen where a factory motor does not gain ANY HP over the shorty & mid when you put a long tube and mid. The car was already over exhausted with the factory cam and heads. When you do a stroker motor or BIG heads and Cam you will for sure want a LT as the longer length of the runner will allow all the exhaust gases to exit the cylinder only allowing for fresh air to enter. No spent gases hurting HP only fresh air entering the cylinder.

JBA Shorty headers will make great HP increases and not have problems with tuning or WARRANTY. The Long Tube headers will require custom tuning and will VOID any warranty along with a loss in low end TQ. You will gain upper pull in the RPM but for most with 4k+ trucks all they want is LOW END.
OK ... but there are no LT's for the 4.7L engine. Unless JBA was started making them ...
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