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  5th wheel on a 1/2 ton - Posted: 09-05-2011, 11:29 AM
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Jayco campers has a line of "HT" (half ton) lite weight fifth wheels out designed for smaller trucks. They are alot lighter than their regular line of fith wheel campers. In fact some of the HT fifth wheels are lighter than some of the bumper pull travel trailers. From all I have read here 5th wheel on a 1/2 ton is not the best idea but im wondering if the weights were the same between a bumper pull travel trailer and a 5th wheel what would be the better option? From reading i see the difference in pin weight vs tongue weight is a few hundred pounds. Any thoughts?
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i would say, if the pin weight is with-in the weight limits for the payload, i would rather tow a 5th wheel than a bumper pull. They are easier to get into tight spaces (watch your cab corners though!) and they pull easier with less sway. This is coming from my personal experience however
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Yeah this was just something I was looking to get more info on. I like the idea of still having the reserve cargo in the bed with a bumper pull. I pull my camper on the beach as well and was not sure if putting the weight over the axle would do better in the sand.
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Weight over the axle is better then weight behind the axle. If its designed for a 1500 they are fine. I have two friends that pull light weights behind their half ton trucks.
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Yeah i'm gonna start poking around soon and just wanted an honest opinion on these light weights. I already know the salesman will try and tell me my truck will pull anything on his lot lol.
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Yeah i'm gonna start poking around soon and just wanted an honest opinion on these light weights. I already know the salesman will try and tell me my truck will pull anything on his lot lol.
Ya, be careful with salesmen. A trailer salesman told my brother his 2008 1500 would pull an 11K 5th wheel with a pin weight of 1500 pounds LOL
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Yah the 5th wheel setup rides so much better than the bumper pull setup. Having the weight over the wheels/springs preloads the suspension and it rides smooth as compared to the load behind the wheels bouncing around all the time.
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Check out the "sliding hitch" I am sure there is a better name for it. It allows the king pin to slide when you turn so you don't take out the cab corners with the short bed.
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Yah the 5th wheel setup rides so much better than the bumper pull setup. Having the weight over the wheels/springs preloads the suspension and it rides smooth as compared to the load behind the wheels bouncing around all the time.
While I agree that the 5th wheel setup is ideal, a properly set up trailer will tow just fine without bouncing and swaying. I have a 28' TT that I tow and it does not sway or bounce (at least not anymore than the truck would w/o the load). Proper equipment and vehicle set up goes a long way when towing...
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Looks like those Jayco weights are from 1100 to a little over 1300. Your factory payload is 1393lbs. http://dodgeram.info/2004/load-tow/1500.html
You will exceed that rapidly. Your bedroom and all your storage is in the front of the RV along with whatever else you put in the truck and trailer. I would look at a bumper-pull with a WD hitch for what you are describing.
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IMO I wouldn't be pulling anything that requires a 5th wheel with a 1/2 ton anyway, IMO. It's like the 1/2 ton with a plow on it debate. If so, I would be seriously upgrading the rear suspension, and maybe the rear axle with a bigger differential, along with gears.
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Load any extra's in the rear of the trailer. That will take weight off the rear of the truck. I see 100's of half ton Ford, Chevy/GMC, Dodge and Toyota trucks towing small 5th wheel trailers every spring, summer and fall going up and down Interstate 81 and the NYS Thru-Way (Interstate 90) to and from the Thousand Islands, Adirondacks, Tug Hill and Canada.
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I have a 23 ft bumper pull and my 2500 dosen't even know it is back there.
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Load any extra's in the rear of the trailer. That will take weight off the rear of the truck. I see 100's of half ton Ford, Chevy/GMC, Dodge and Toyota trucks towing small 5th wheel trailers every spring, summer and fall going up and down Interstate 81 and the NYS Thru-Way (Interstate 90) to and from the Thousand Islands, Adirondacks, Tug Hill and Canada.
I see it about daily, some farmer pulling some fifth wheel or goose neck with there 1/2ers. Just get one that isn't going to overload your truck and you will be fine.
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I see 100's of half ton Ford, Chevy/GMC, Dodge and Toyota trucks towing small 5th wheel trailers every spring, summer and fall going up and down Interstate 81 and the NYS Thru-Way (Interstate 90) to and from the Thousand Islands, Adirondacks, Tug Hill and Canada.
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I see it about daily, some farmer pulling some fifth wheel or goose neck with there 1/2ers. Just get one that isn't going to overload your truck and you will be fine.
Just because you see it happen does not make it right. Know your weights and follow them. Don't treat a half ton like a 3/4 ton.
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I guess you didn't read the part where I told him don't over load his truck. They do make fifthwheels that are within the 1/2ers specs.
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1500 + 5th wheel = DISASTER !!!!
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1500 + 5th wheel = DISASTER !!!!
You're going to have to prove that statement to me. As has been mentioned several times already, there ARE 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels. They've been around for a long time. For a while back in the 80's, they were making 5er's for mid-size trucks like the Ford Ranger and the Chevy S-10. They weren't the fastest thing on the road, but the combination worked well for those who chose them.

As always, one has to do the math. Know your GVWR, your GCWR, your payload capacities as well as the pin weight. If possible, get the trailer and the pin weighed so you know how much everything really is. Even better is to load the trailer for a trip and then weigh it. You'll sometimes be surprised how much 'stuff' you end up sticking in there. Know how much you and your passengers weigh. Factor in a full fuel tank. Factor in a full water tank (in the RV). Upgrade the truck tires to at least D range. Properly equipped, a half ton can safely pull carefully selected 5er's.

Oh . . . and as also was mentioned, don't believe anything that the RV salesman says. Ignore him completely, take a calculator and notebook with you and run the numbers yourself.
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most 5ers are way over weight for our little 1500s
never said that there are not some out there that we can handle
just MOST are way over our limit
if you like pushing the envelope to the edge go for it just dont be surprised when you go over the edge LOL
I live in California and regularly drive my truck and TT in the high Sierra's

if you drive a 1500 and pull a 5er I wish you the best

yes most 5ers that we can tow were produced in the 80's sorry I will not tow 20-30 yr old trailer just asking for trouble
its ok to disagree we do live in America where we have the Freedom of choice just letting you know how I feel
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most 5ers are way over weight for our little 1500s
never said that there are not some out there that we can handle
just MOST are way over our limit
if you like pushing the envelope to the edge go for it just dont be surprised when you go over the edge LOL
I live in California and regularly drive my truck and TT in the high Sierra's

if you drive a 1500 and pull a 5er I wish you the best

yes most 5ers that we can tow were produced in the 80's sorry I will not tow 20-30 yr old trailer just asking for trouble
its ok to disagree we do live in America where we have the Freedom of choice just letting you know how I feel
Yes, most are over the limits of a half ton truck. The example of 5er's from the eighties was for example only - to point out that your simple statement of 1500 + 5th wheel = DISASTER is ludicrous. There ARE 1/2 ton towable 5er's. They are a select few yes, but they are out there if you do your homework. Overloading ANY truck is stupid and I don't see anyone here advocating that. However, the OP is asking a fairly common question and instead of simply yelling NO!, we have given him actual information that hopefully will help him make an informed purchase. So if you're going to make a statement like that, be prepared to back it up with actual data.
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