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#1 Old 02-24-2011, 07:40 AM
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pretty loud clunk or pop sound heard from front left when turning left

2000 dodge 3500 5.9L V8 maxi van

So there is another worriesome issue I need to resolve next before taking this van out in late april on the road. It's something I've heard/felt before since I've had the van btw, so this isn't a brand new issue...but recently it did seem to be louder and now is a concern for me.
I'm hearing (and can somewhat feel) a loud clunk or pop (sounds like coming from the front left area) whenever I take a sharp turn left. Seems to happen one time, and mainly on taking a sharp left turn. I don't feel/hear it on normal/light left turns (which would be at rather low speeds btw obviously).

Before I take this in to my mech, I was hoping some of you might be able to help me pinpoint the actual/likely problem part/parts. Perhaps I can repair/replace parts myself?

Ever dealt with this issue before? What likely parts in the steering/suspension would fail and create this scenario?

Could it likely be stabilizer bar or bushings, or ball joint related (although there isn't any play/wiggle indicating ball joint issues)?

thanks so much,
Joe

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found this info in another, older thread. Possible it's applicable here?
Popping Sensation/Noise In Steering Column While Turning
NUMBER: 19-05-99
GROUP: Steering
DATE: Jul. 23, 1999
SUBJECT:
Popping Sensation/Noise In Steering Column While Turning
OVERVIEW:
This bulletin involves repositioning the steering column on the steering column mounting brackets.
MODELS:
1997 - 2000 (AN) Dakota
1998 - 2000 (DN) Durango
SYMPTOM/CONDITION:
A popping sensation/noise can be felt and/or heard in the steering column during sharp turns (parking lot maneuvers).
DIAGNOSIS:
Start the engine. Rotate the steering wheel to the extreme right and then to the extreme left while monitoring for a popping noise or sensation. If a popping noise or sensation can be heard and/or felt in the steering column while turning, perform the Repair Procedure.
REPAIR PROCEDURE:
Start the engine.
Rotate the steering wheel so that the steering wheel is in an upside down position then remove the ignition key to lock the steering wheel in this position.
Remove the three screws that secure the lower edge of the steering column opening cover to the lower instrument panel reinforcement.
Using a trim stick or another suitable wide-bladed tool, gently pry the upper edge of the steering column opening cover. Pry just below the cluster bezel on each side of the steering column away from the instrument panel far enough to disengage the snap clip retainers from the receptacles in the instrument panel.
Remove the steering column opening cover from the instrument panel.
Loosen the steering column attaching nuts.
Bounce the steering wheel lightly in a vertical motion to normalize the alignment.
Without influencing the new location of the steering column, tighten the passenger side rearward nut to 12 N.m (105 in. lbs.).
Next, tighten the front driver side nut to 12 N.m (105 in. lbs.).
Tighten the remaining steering column attaching nuts to 12 N.m (105 in. lbs.).
Tighten the upper intermediate shaft attachment bolt to 57 N.m (42 ft. lbs.).
Position the steering column opening cover to the instrument panel.
Align the snap clip retainers on the steering column opening cover with the receptacles in the instrument panel.
Press firmly on the steering column opening cover over the snap clip locations until each of the snap clips is fully engaged in its receptacle.
Install and tighten the three screws that secure the lower edge of the steering column opening cover to the lower instrument panel reinforcement. Tighten the screws to 2.2 N.m (20 in. lbs.).
Start the engine then, rotate the steering wheel back to its normal position.

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My van did the same thing. I just smeared grease on the steering stop on the lower control arm, and on the knuckle where it contacts the stop. If you don't know what I'm talking about, just turn the wheel all the way one way, and look underneath behind the front tire, and you'll see where the contact point is.
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man, that sounds great...but this "pop" is so loud though, will a simple grease point be the real resolve here? Or is there a bigger problem at hand?

what is happening there to make that sound if you don't mind my asking?

I'll turn the wheel and checkout what you're describing, I hope that's all it will take here.

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I don't know if your van has one or not but check the sway bar links.....

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When at full lock, mine will make a the screeching metal on metal noise, as expected.

When mine has made the popping noises the sway bar bushings were either worn out, or had loosened up.

But you could have any sorts of things wrong from worn control arm bushings to tie rod ends to ball joints.

The loudest clunk/pop occurred when a bolt holding the pivot bar (which holds the upper control arm to the frame) loosened up after a 40$ alignment and the tech did not torque it enough.

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The loudest clunk/pop occurred when a bolt holding the pivot bar (which holds the upper control arm to the frame) loosened up after a 40$ alignment and the tech did not torque it enough.
Check what Landyacht318 said. I have had that exact problem on my van before.

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Sometimes the simplest answer/repair is the best. Try the grease. The worst that could happen is it didn't fix it. What is happening is when you're at full lock the steering knuckle contacts the steering stop, and due to the inherent movement of the steering/suspension components, the knuckle will rub, or move on the stop. Hence, the pop. If anything, you will eliminate that part of the steering/suspension as the problem, and it's cheap.
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I remember having a ton of problems with techs at the alignment shop not tightening those upper control arm mounts too as mentioned above. The upper control arm bushings by themselves are really prone to wearing out and could cause your popping noise. You should also inspect the strut rod bushings. They're easily overlooked but they do wear out. Once they break through the bushing material, the strut rod starts rubbing on its mount at the frame. I had to do a lot of them in fleet and wound up also having to weld and grind the mounting hole back to its original shape in some cases to prevent the next bushing from wearing out too soon. Sometimes, you can actually feel them under your feet as they rub while driving.
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Strut rod bushings tend to bind and pop at full lock of steering. My 99 B3500 has always done it since I got it in '02. changed the bushings twice, still does it.

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