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  Towing 40ft 5th wheel: 2010 2500 vs 2010 3500 DRW - Posted: 01-10-2010, 04:14 PM
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I have owned a 2008 Dodge Ram 2500-6.7 CTD, but I had never towed anything over about 7,000lbs and 18'. I recently found interest in traveling and purchasing a 40' 5th wheel RV. Im looking at either a 2010 Dodge 2500-6.7 CTD, or a 2010 Dodge 3500-6.7 CTD Dually. Im a complete newbie when it comes to towing such length and weight. Obviously, the 3500 would be up to the 5th wheel, but would the 2500? Up to a stand point, money isn't really a struggle. I just want what is gonna work best for my needs. Anyone have any input on my decision?
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What kind of 5th? How much does it weigh?

With a trailer that big, there has to be a bunch of pin weight... I would not even consider a 2500, it would be DRW all day long... The weight is distributed along 4 tires - they will last longerm give you better braking/safer pulling.
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x2 with towing bigger the better we had a 27 ft lite weight tt and my 1500 did ok but i know a 2500 would have been better. a 5 th wheel at 40 ft (i know it is over all length) part is over the bed but its your tounge weight lmo
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Once you tow a trailer with a dually you would be hard pressed to go back to a single wheel. The stability of that extra set of sidewalls on each side is second to none.
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Dually......The price of stability when Towing is priceless. Many 5th wheels are easily towed with a SRW, but...the size you are speaking of should be towed with a DRW 3500 or 4500 Truck. My experience with 5th wheel RV's is extensive. Trailers over 33 ft start weighing 11,000 plus lbs, and sure the SRW will tow it, but cross winds & Semi traffic will become white knuckle driving. DRW distribute the tongue weight over a larger area, therefore greatly increased the stability.
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What kind of 5th? How much does it weigh?

With a trailer that big, there has to be a bunch of pin weight... I would not even consider a 2500, it would be DRW all day long... The weight is distributed along 4 tires - they will last longerm give you better braking/safer pulling.
Its a 40' ft 5th wheel RV, and its dry weight is said to be about 14,550lbs and a dry pin weight is about 3,250lbs. From what you and others say, I should look more for a DRW rather than a 2500.
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For that size of trailer I wouldn't even think of pulling it anything less than a dually. Been pulling with a dually since 1990 and wouldn't go back to a single wheel
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Just to stay on topic... definatly need to go with a DRW 3500 with what you're looking at pulling.

Off topic... that game is still going? I started it almost 3 years ago now... can't imagine what kind of level I'd be at had I stuck with it. lol
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Just to stay on topic... definatly need to go with a DRW 3500 with what you're looking at pulling.

Off topic... that game is still going? I started it almost 3 years ago now... can't imagine what kind of level I'd be at had I stuck with it. lol
I have no clue, I started messing with that game back when I signed up here. I haven't posted here until today for probably a year. Lol
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I've towed this trailer with both a single rear wheel 3500 truck, and two different dual rear wheel trucks. Its only a 37 footer, but its a toy hauler, so when its loaded with a long travel Rhino, two big bore utility ATVs, three dirt bikes, all our camping gear, and full water tanks, it tips the scales at just shy of 17,000 lbs.



I just ordered a 2010 Ram HD last week, and I got the dual rear wheel 3500. I hate driving a dually pretty much everywhere, ... except in front of a big trailer. They are hard to park, they take a 40 acre field to turn around, they don't ride as nice, they burn more fuel, and they wear out more tires. But they are so much better at towing a big trailer, that when it came time to replace the last tow rig, there was no doubt that the new one would also be a dually. So like the others in this thread have said, get the dually.

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I find that after driving a dually around for a bit you will get used to it. There is never a day gone by that I hated my dually because I couldn't park it somewhere or it was too big. I would never park up front in a parking place anyways because of door dings so it doesn't matter that I can't park up front in the smaller spots. A dually REALLY isn't any wider than a 1500 because a 1500 with tow mirrors is the same width as a dually with tow mirrors. The mirrors are the widest part of the truck. If the mirrors fit, so do the fenders.
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I've towed this trailer with both a single rear wheel 3500 truck, and two different dual rear wheel trucks. Its only a 37 footer, but its a toy hauler, so when its loaded with a long travel Rhino, two big bore utility ATVs, three dirt bikes, all our camping gear, and full water tanks, it tips the scales at just shy of 17,000 lbs.



I just ordered a 2010 Ram HD last week, and I got the dual rear wheel 3500. I hate driving a dually pretty much everywhere, ... except in front of a big trailer. They are hard to park, they take a 40 acre field to turn around, they don't ride as nice, they burn more fuel, and they wear out more tires. But they are so much better at towing a big trailer, that when it came time to replace the last tow rig, there was no doubt that the new one would also be a dually. So like the others in this thread have said, get the dually.

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I know exactly what your saying. Thankfully my financial situation allows me to have a truck just for towing and a BMW M3 as my daily. So, thats why I'm not really worried about having a dually. I too are hauling a toy hauler, and Im gonna have the added weight of a RZR, 2 four wheelers and possibly a dirt bike or two. I never really thought about all that weight, until you pointed it out. So I am for sure gonna go ahead and get the DRW 3500 LB.
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Yep.. Get a Dully! You may even want to look at a Cab & Chassie 4500 for what you are pulling. That will handle the tounge weight you are talking about better.....get the upgraded auto transmission...and stiffer spring-rates in the rear. A 4.10 Rear is a Must for your application IMHO. Keep it safe and you will drive with normal color fingers
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My 5th wheel is 18K loaded and the 3500 with the 68RE and 3:73 gears is plenty. My 2010 is coming with 3:48 gears. You don't need a 4500 C&C or the Aisin tranny to pull that
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And don't forget, with a toyhauler the more weight you put in the toy box the LESS weight you have on the pin. My trailer is 3500 pounds on the pin empty and 2900 pounds on the pin when loaded.
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My 5th wheel is 18K loaded and the 3500 with the 68RE and 3:73 gears is plenty. My 2010 is coming with 3:48 gears. You don't need a 4500 C&C or the Aisin tranny to pull that

... I know that he does not NEED the C&C to Pull the load....... I do know that after pulling a 18k load with a 3500 DRW, Cummins, G56, with a 3.73 Rear.... A 4.10 Rear would have been nice + the extra rear springs.....

* The C&C will be rated a little higher and for insurance purposes he will be doing himself a favor in the long run. Money is not a issue with him so why not get a better suited truck for a couple thousand more? A better tranny + better gears to ease the burden off the drive-train just makes sense. This will be a dedicated hauler so no need for daily driver comforts like you are going for right Just a thought!
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And don't forget, with a toyhauler the more weight you put in the toy box the LESS weight you have on the pin. My trailer is 3500 pounds on the pin empty and 2900 pounds on the pin when loaded.
??? And that is a good thing ??? Sounds to me like you are actually pulling UP on the rear of your truck with your toy hauler loaded...... That could make for some interesting video if that thing ever came un-pinned???? Or if you un-hooked while loaded during a Emergency Fire on the road Your Pin Weight should stay close to the same or a little more when loaded! I have never heard anyone state that Pin weight dropped after loading and was happy about it! Dangerous if you ask me.....
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What makes you think the Aisin is a better tranny than the 68re and why would he want LESS power to pull the load?
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??? And that is a good thing ??? Sounds to me like you are actually pulling UP on the rear of your truck with your toy hauler loaded...... That could make for some interesting video if that thing ever came un-pinned???? Or if you un-hooked while loaded during a Emergency Fire on the road Your Pin Weight should stay close to the same or a little more when loaded! I have never heard anyone state that Pin weight dropped after loading and was happy about it! Dangerous if you ask me.....
Do you even understand what you just said? Do you understand how a toy hauler is designed? How could the pin weight NOT be less when you add a thousand pounds or more BEHIND the axle? It STILL has 2900 pounds of pin weight
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.......... Yep... Brain Fart there..... Was not thinking about the fact of 2900 pounds still pushing down on the rear...laughing at myself right now...

** "What makes you think the Aisin is a better tranny than the 68re and why would he want LESS power to pull the load? "

The C&C Trucks have plenty of Power to pull the load....That is where the rear gearing comes into play. Your truck stock has more than enough power to pull what you pull right? Not looking at the C&C Trucks because of Power. Looking at them because they are built to handle the load better and will be even safer to operate on Highway and off with the TT he has. The Asian tranny is a better tranny in the end. Far more trucks are running the roads with the tested Asian compared to the 68re Tranny. So I ask you... Why NOT the C&C when you know it would be better as a dedicated Heavy Hauler compared to a 3500 DRW? Is that not what DODGE...oh...RAM made the 4500 and 5500 C&C's FOR????
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