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#1 Old 12-16-2008, 02:46 PM
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has anyone built a 413

i just picked up a1965 413 motor and tranny i was wondering if any body has built one of these motors and how well they run what mods are out there and possably what all is interchangeable between the other big blocks
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Not sure about the build-up of one of these engine, but it is an RB family engine just like the 440 and 426 Wedge engine (the 426 Hemi is also an RB engine, but not much interchanges as it relates to the Wedge engines)

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thats doesnt sound very promising i was hoping for something like sure everything interchanges
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The block and everything else is the same. It is only the piston diameter that is different. Everything else interchanges with any other RB block.
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one thing about a 1965 b or rb engine is that the left front motor mount, is odd ball compaired to the other rb engines. to put a 440 in 65 "C" body you have to make a custom mount. but my memery fails as to how it has to be done. in cars 65 was the last year for 413s. in trucks it was used through the mid 70s. pistons out of a 70-71 truck 413 will give you 7.5 cr. and they have the same wieght as a car 65 , 413, so you dont have to reballance. and they still make pleanty of horse power. if you have any qs just email me moe7404@att.net or cell 316-516-7642 i even have a factory service manual for a 1965 chrysler body "C" so i can get you any specs you need, if its not in my head.
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thanks moe i just pulled the motor apart a few days ago it was perfect inside you could still see the factory honeing marks the only problem i found was a bent push rod on cyl 2intake valve as for the specs so far i have found out factory rateings 365hp 470#torq with 10-1 comp right now my plans are to just hone the block new bearings port/polish heads new heavier valve springs and mild cam
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i had a 1965 chrysler 300L. it had a good cam, it was 268 degrees addvertised not @ .05 lift. with .430 lift. intake and ext was same grind. a new yorker had 248 degrees by .389. my 300 had 360 hp the new yorker had 340 hp , my 300 got the same mpg as a new yorker. if you dont go over 268 degrees it will have good power, be very driveable, with out wasteing gas. duel patteren cams are usefull only for higher horse power engines. go to http://www.zddplus.com/purchase_sixpack.htm to get the zinc you need, this on the new cam , or old cam with new lifters. i use valoveoline permeum blue 15w 40, it has lots of zinc. its made for diesels but it works in gas engines. if the cat at the store stops you and says its for diesels just "i know its what i want" do NOT use fram oil filters!! big block chrysler engines dont realy need much spcecial to do good. get the electronic ign kit it just saves trouble down the road. on the dist cap , if it has a vent in it, plug it with j-b weld. and be careful to not cross plug wires 5 & 7. rule of thumb #5 is aways in front of #7 on the cap and engine. the dist shaft rotates ccw
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413 rebuild answers

I also am rebuilding a 413-3 motorhome engine for my 68 D300 utiline. Here's the definative word. The 361 LB and the 413RB truck,industrial,marine engines are big blocks, BUT, there are major differences. First of all, high temp friendly ductile iron block and heads. The heads are entirely different than the magnum, max wedge car motor. The valves are much smaller in diameter, and an inch longer than the car motor. The camshaft has a specific lift and duration for this motor. The cam amd valves are designed for max torque and power at a lower RPM. Using a high lift cam for the 440 won't work well. I am planning to send my cam to Comp Cams to have them grind me a special order roller cam, and roller rockers. I may still have the original longer pushrods, and if you still need one, email me, and I'll send you one, no charge. Heavy duty forged cranks, -3 with 6 bolt flywheel flange, same as 440, -4 & -5 medium and heavy duty engines have 8 bolt flanges, same as Hemi, and older Poly engines. Heavy duty rod and pistons. the pistons have cast iron cast into the ring groove area, once again, truck specific. Keith Black makes pistons for this engine. I am curious, does your engine have flat top, or dished pistons, also, does your '65 heads have the flat spot "squish" combustion chamber, or a full dome? The intake manifold on my '72 engine interchanges with the 440. I'm planning on running Edelbrock DFI. The exhaust manifolds are ,once again, truck specific, and only cast iron. they are prone to cracking. Ebey sells ductile iron manifolds, or Hedman sells budget headers, and Doug Thorley sells premium headers. You will need replace your manifolds. Now we end up top with the carb. Having a big displacement and a small cam and valves equates to a high vacuum engine. Using a carb for the 440 will probably lead to a rich burning engine. I recommend the Edelbrock easily tunable AFB. If you have any ?'s, email me, and I'll do what I can. Rusty
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rusty: where does your info about the pistons having cast iron in the ring groves come from? i like the stock afb or avs carb or even a TQ. the edelbrock carb is a good carb, but its jetted all wrong. but most people dont know how to tune one. i highly recomend useing a O.E.M. carb. if the only ones you can find have some slop in the throttle shaft i can re bush it, but a little realy doesnt hert to much. if you can get a stock cam for a 1965 300L you should be happy. the 65 car 413 stock pistons is 10:1 cr flat top. use a 71-72 stock truck 413 piston will be 7.5:1 cr with a dished piston but same wieght so you wont need to rebalance. if there is a certen spec you need ill try to find my 1965 service manual. i know i have a 67 manual right next to my feet, and some of the specs are the same and some are not. also i recomend an electric fuel pump, carter, they have servel models get one that is 72 gal per min, at 4-6 lbs pressure. block off the manual pump hole, wire the pump so you can push on a switch and pump the carb full of fuel before you start the engine, it saves LOTS of ware and tear on the starter, alternator, battery, ect. allso DONT use hose to the carb. use steel brake line tubing.
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right now my motor is at the machine shop waiting for the builder to start on it he is going to finish the tear down and check out all the internals to see what has to be replaced as it stands the plan is to bore it out to 426in 10-1 comp flat top pistons mild cam with indy heads and intake still not sure yet if ill go carbed or injection im looking at the build it yourself injection set up basicly whatever it needs to crank out 500hp at the flywheel
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yes 500 hp is not hard to get but it will use some fuel. also to make it 426 ci puts the overbore to be .06 i think that is the limit. also if you rev it above 6000rpm you can set up a bottom oiler. you tap into the oil gallery behind the timming chain and run it to the main caps, and put the main bearings in upsidedown. this puts oil on the bottom of the crank, should be good to 8000 rpm or more. be sure you have lots of zinc in the oil.
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based on what research i have done this block was used for both 413 and 426 so it has extra thick cyl walls but i wont know for sure until we measure the thickness and this will be more of a daily driver so it wont be going above 6k but i like the oil on the bottom idea anyplace that has pics of the setup
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i dont know of any pics, i just saw one a long time ago. you have to use solid lifters cause it cuts off oil to the lifters. its strickly race
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here is a list of hyd cams. i would use one of the first two if fuel useage is an issue. if not be carful that a big cam can do things you may not like , such as crashing pistons ect.

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"B/RB" HYDRAULIC CAM & LIFTER PKGS
4452783 268/284dur 46o/lap 450/458lift idle-5800 rpm 169.00
4529270 268/284dur 46o/lap 450/458lift idle-5800rpm 179.00
4286677 272/231dur 48o/lap 455/455lift 1300–5700rpm 169.00
4452993 280/280dur 60o/lap 474/474lift 2000/5900rpm 169.00
4120235 284/284dur 68o/lap 484/484lift 2200/5900rpm 169.00
5007697 284/284dur 56o/lap 484/484lift 2200/5900rpm 195.00
4120237 292/292dur 76o/lap 509/509lift 2600/6000rpm 169.00
5007698 292/292dur 64o/lap 509/509lift 2600/6000rpm 189.00
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yeah i dont want to go to big and deff need heavier springs you can see the top of 3 pistons where the valves kissed the piston i read that was a common problem with these motors at higher rpms
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go the site above, below the chart i posted is an other chart that gives more info on the cams in this list. it isnt easy to read but it shows that the first cam and second cam have the same grind, but the first cam is single bolt and the second is 3- bolt.
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71 HT-413-multies cross

I am in the process of placing a 413 in my 89 ramcharger.
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I am in the process of placing a 413 in my 89 ramcharger.
cool is it stock or have you beefed it up


im going to start ordering parts for mine in the next 2 weeks i hope to have it installed by memorial weekend
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well I havent rebuilt it...

the HT-413 + That I have runs great..i actually got the Duellies smokin on the RV that I pulled the motor out aqnd thats good for a 30 footer.
I did pull the valve covers , exhaust, carb, intake ,belly pan,oil pan,balencer and timing cover and everything else that would come off and everything looks great..The engine only has 40 thousand miles on it and has been started and maintained every year since it was new in 71.when ordering a new gaskets set I had to order a set for a 71 440 monoco since there was no listing for a 413 after 61 or 62 i forget now..and believe it or not i even got the extra gaskets for the water pump where the water pump mounts to the heads as well as the block..I was going to change the water pump and heads but the motor runs so great and moves that RV with ease so i figured it will move my ramcharger just fine and i can always modify it later if i need too. This 413 is stamped HT because its a factory high torque engine..its also stamped with a multiese cross which represents over sized bearings and internal parts..if i was not busy playing poker i would go more into detail..
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well I havent rebuilt it...

the HT-413 + That I have runs great..i actually got the Duellies smokin on the RV that I pulled the motor out aqnd thats good for a 30 footer.
I did pull the valve covers , exhaust, carb, intake ,belly pan,oil pan,balencer and timing cover and everything else that would come off and everything looks great..The engine only has 40 thousand miles on it and has been started and maintained every year since it was new in 71.when ordering a new gaskets set I had to order a set for a 71 440 monoco since there was no listing for a 413 after 61 or 62 i forget now..and believe it or not i even got the extra gaskets for the water pump where the water pump mounts to the heads as well as the block..I was going to change the water pump and heads but the motor runs so great and moves that RV with ease so i figured it will move my ramcharger just fine and i can always modify it later if i need too. This 413 is stamped HT because its a factory high torque engine..its also stamped with a multiese cross which represents over sized bearings and internal parts..if i was not busy playing poker i would go more into detail..
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