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  46RE wont shift out of first at full throttle. - Posted: 11-17-2006, 07:05 PM
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Anyone ever find this problem out? I hold my foot to the floor the tranny wont shift out of first, just nails rev limiter, ease up a lil bit and it shifts, all other gears shift fine at full throttle.
What tells the 46re to shift at full throttle out of first?
Im thinking this solinoid or whatever it is could be bad.
If there is something i could try changing, where is it and how hard is it to get to?
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 Posted: 11-20-2006, 12:35 AM
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Try adjusting the TV cable.
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 Posted: 11-21-2006, 11:21 AM
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TV cable is set to proper shift points, if i back it off enough that it shifts out of first at say 5000 rpms, then second shifts at about 3600 and third around 3400 at full throttle. For some reason first gear is jacked high and the only way to shift it out of gear when floored is to pull your foot off the floor a little (which just backs the TV cable back, but then you need to put it back down to the floor after second has caught up... BUT, if you try to floor it while its in second but low enough to drop back into first it will drop back and slam the rev limiter! so after letting off the throttle so it will shift from first you need to stay at 80% throttle untill your speed is high enough that it wont downshift when mashed to 100%
Could my hypertech programmer be interfering somehow? i dout it but who knows, would a dealer be able to scan my TCM to see what the computer says is going on?
It throws no codes or anything, just winds out till it bangs off the limiter and doesnt shift untill you ease up.
Also, if i back off my tv cable, not only do i get shifts at low rpms but the second to third flair gets really bad because of the engine load vs the low tranny pressure because the Tv cable thinks you are at 40% or so throttle.
I also replaced the TPS sensor, no dice. no differance at all.
Only thing i havent tried is deprogramming my hypertech and unhooking the battery to reset the pcm. but would that do any good?
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I would try putting your computer back to stock. I've never used a programmer since they don't make one for the V10. If after you put it back to stock and that fixes it then try to re-install the programmer but if possible don't change the settings for 1st gear.
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 Posted: 11-22-2006, 11:27 AM
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My hypertech doesnt do anything for my transmission, i have no setting options. only top speed limiter, tire size speedo correction, octane/power setting, and rev limiter setting.
Ill give it a try though, but most tranny places are telling me its the shift solinoid but it needs scanned to be sure. but last time i had it scanned i didnt get any codes, dont wanna plop down $120 for a solinoid and drop the valve body and it not work.
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I would never know if my truck will shift out of first at full throttle....... Today is the day I have to admit that .. that .. I AM GETTING OLD!!!!!
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 Posted: 11-30-2006, 11:22 AM
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Your TV cable is too tight.
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 Posted: 11-30-2006, 01:55 PM
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If you have to let off the gas to go into 2nd then it's prabably the govenor pressure sensor located on the valve body.

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 Posted: 11-30-2006, 05:26 PM
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is the gov pressure sensor hard to get to and replace? it costs the same to replace most of these parts as it does to have it tested at a tranny shop.
and my TV cable is fine, ive adjusted it a bazillion times, all other gears shift fine and at proper rpm, no harsh shifts, proper speed when shifted at 1/4 throttle, etc..
So, either way, gotta drop the valve body. need to install a shift kit anyhow, been puttin it off.
Thanks, keep em rolling.
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If backing off on the throttle alittle makes it shift , it's the tv cable. Seen it lots of times. Any way here is a pic:
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I'll be watchin this thread. Need to find out how to fix it! i hate trannies
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I wish it were the TV cable, if it is then i have another problem.
OK, since ive done this already, heres what happens...
If i back the TV cable off so that at WOT it shifts out of first gear at 5000 rpms, if i hold my foot down at WOT through second gear, second shifts at 3700-3800 rpms, then it shifts from third to overdrive at about 3200 rpms.

Sound like proper rpms? according to dodge, they arent. it also would shift very early at part throttle conditions and almost never pull out in first.
This is why i rule out the TV cable. if i make first gear happy, i ruin the other three and all part throttle conditions. Also, when backed off like that i get a VERY bad second to third shift flare, nearly 500 rpms because of the lack of fluid pressure for the shift.

Also something that may help solve this problem, when my tranny is cold (approx. 35 degrees F) at part throttle conditions the truck will downshift and then imediatly upshift several times with no movement of my foot, i thought it might be me but ruled it out with a few tests.
Acting as though its having trouble reading pressures and deciding which gear to use, as if ..
the pressure goes high when in third so it decides it needs to be in second but as soon as third disengauges the pressure drops so it thinks the load dropped so it goes back into third, by then i ease off the throttle so it doesnt try to drop back down to second again.
only happens when cold. once warmed up a bit, no problem in that department.

So, if this is the tv cable, how would it get fixed, proper adjustment methods do not work.
Sorry if i come off sounding a bit rough but this problems drivin me nuts and everything/everyone is pointing to tv cable but adjustment fixes one problem and causes 7. i can live a while without full throttle first, but i cant live with tranny slip and bogging gears with low pressure.

So, please dont take my type for angry or cocky type, just frustrated.
I do REALLY appreciate ideas, info, and help.
Thanks to everyone for all the help, another reason i really want to find the problem is because i have back e-mails and PM's from several people with the same problem and would really like to find a cure for this dodge trans disease.

Once again, thanks and keep the ideas flowin.
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If it were me and I was to go into the pan to change a sensor or solenoid I would do them all. My experience says to lean more toward the solenoid as the pressure transducer usually causes taking off in second gear once you stop and go,due to the tranny not kicking back down into first. Again if your truck has many miles and you go into the valve body I would do both the gov pressure transducer tne the shift solenoid pack to possibly keep you from having the pan off twice.I would definately have a scanner hooked up to read line pressures and do a few solenoid tests,something a normal code reader wont do........the Dealer DRBII boxes can perform tests to check internal functions of the tranny........you may need a dealer tech to get friendly with for a little assistance if you dont know one already.

First and foremost is that if any internal tranny problems like lip seals or drum/piston wear is present,the replacement of the solenoids or transducer may not fix anything.
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If it is "shift hunting" 1-2 1-2 1-2 that is always the govenor pressure solenoid. If it has never been replaced it needs to be, they go bad often. It could be your problem with the other thing, just not sure, I don't get too many customers that go wide open throttle too much to tell me if the two problems go together..
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Just a note acout adjusting the TV cable. I have in the past to firm up the shifts but it you adjust too much your get blow by and it misses the gear. I had this happen a couple times when going up a hill and jumping on it.

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Does anyone know the solution to this problem? Everytime I read a post about this, it never gets solved! If anyone has a solution please post!! Thanks!!
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I would never know if my truck will shift out of first at full throttle....... Today is the day I have to admit that .. that .. I AM GETTING OLD!!!!!
Mine does and I am OLD. 71 to be exact.
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You should be able to fix it with a TV cable adjustment. Haven't seen one yet that ya couldn't. Mathes79Z ,maybe a broken or weak spring on the 1-2 shift valve in the valve body is your problem.
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try resetting the computer by unhooking the battery for about 5 min, then hooking it back up and see if that works. sometimes the computer goes into a "safe mode" type deal and wont let the tranny shift normally. worth a shot...
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I am kind of leary of the TV cable adjustment, because I definitely don't want to harm the tranny. It shifts perfectly on normal driving, but when you have to take off fast it will run up to the rev limiter if you don't let up on it. After you get beyond 1st gear it is okay. I will try the tv cable adjustment and see if it will help. I guess as long as I take my time and pay attention to where the cable is setting at now I should be okay. I have reset the computer before and it didn't affect the shifting any. I will post my results when I get them.
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