"It's obvious your not a student of history and you probably
just (as high pitched as I can go) got by in high school. "
Garduated with a 3.75 in HS.....graduated Magana Cum Laude from college.
Next personal attack please?
"You left out the part about the concentration camps. Do you understand the Japanese culture at that time? "
Can you please explain to me WHAT concentration camps have to do with what oil we use in our Ds?? O hyeah....thats right...you are of the mindset that all the companies are out to "get" you.....and somehow that relates to concentration camps...Ok, now I'm set.
"You also didn't mention the German industrialist embracing Herr Hitler and Nazism in 1934. This was before any war. But they were told of Herr Hitlers plans of conquest and his solution to the Jewish problem. This was known only to the Nazi's, not the German people. Even the German military was unaware of his solution to the Jewish problem. They were told that the Jews were to be sent to Palastine. Hitler's SS troops took care of the dirty business, and the industrialist supplied the special equipment they needed to do their job on the road and in the camps. "
AGain, no idea how you draw the comparison between this and the topic of oil change intervals....I think its a bit of stretch.
History is full of bad guys...some of them were worse than others. But history is ALSO judged by what "side" you were on......The Japanese honeored their warriors for what they did at Pearl Harbor and probably many old timers still do....We honor our WW1 and WW2 vets for what they did (kill lots of German and Japanese soldiers)....so who is the real bad guy here?? AGain, this really doesnt relate to oil change intervals...can we get back on track?
"Well Dave, I think ya misunderstood me. I didn't mean all CEOs. I meant a small # of the top companies. Maybe ya call them MegaCompanies? Look at TYCO. The guy rents an island for his wife's B-Day. Ya didn't say anything about the record selling, how come? I wasn't sayin records of their employees, but their client base. "
So the CEO of Tyco rents an island for his wife's birthday...AND!?!? The guy has money and money brings privelege....
Compnaies have sold their client lists and info for YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. It was actually an accepted practice until it got out of hand now everyone is up in arms over it....Yet it still happens...every time you accept a "free"gizmo for answering a short survey you buy into it...most folks dont realize that......as far as confidential info being sold, I am sure it goes on.....there are unscrupulous people in ALL industries and walks of life looking to gain advantage......But that is what money does to some folks.....
But again, what does this have to do with oil change intervals?? Oh yeah...thats right, you feel that all companies ar eare out to "get" you.....
"I addressed that before, labor is just bodies to them, there is no loyalty to employees. They give a shit. Ya think they'd give bennies if they didn't have to? If they could figure how to get rid of labor, they would, in a New York Second. Now again, that's not all companies thank God. The company my wife works for is real cool. They let her work at home when I went to the hospital and after I came back while I was having all those problems. "
In one sentence you basically argued your own statement.....In your setereotyping prior you have inferred that all companies are evil money suckers...but now your wife's company can be trusted?? I tend to believe there are more companies like your wife's (my company is relatively good to employees) than companies out to screw anyone....
"The last sentance hit the nail right on the head Dave, they did what they had to do to stay alive, to survive. Times were hard then, and they're gonna get hard again. Once again, these companies (I'm not talking about all of em) have no loyalty to their employees."
Ok, look at it this way....If *I* fall on hard times, should YOU have any "loyalty" to me and start sending me money to help??? I doubt it would happen.....and if so, maybe you are one of the very few who have that mentality to help anyone for anything no matter what....but at some point practicality enters into the picture.
Businesses are in business to make money. Period. Comapnies have a baseline set of things they need to do these days to attract and retain a workforce that will get the work done so they can make money. Period. The companies that go above and beyond that are more atrractive to potential employees, those that barely meet that baseline are not as attractive.....
SOme companies take advantage of employees out of greed.....no doubt this happens. Look at Enron, as you suggested....some companies will "overlook" danger for fear of having to spend money to fix problems.....some will fix the problem right away......just like some people will help their neighbor and some will walk past a drowning neighbor. Its called human nature....and yes, no matter what you do, sometimes "it just is that way". Preachers and religious folks have, for centuries, begged people to be kind to their neighbor and such.....preachers and religious folk are still in business because all people DONT subscribe to that thinking.....since companies are run by human beings, and human beings have this fault, what dfo you think the outcome will be in some cases?? This doesnt mean you shgouldnt fight it, but to act like it is something more than human nature is silly.....
"I dont think anyone here is saying "Thats the way it is"..... Um, Dave, you did."
I may have said this in regards to "If you want to keep your warranty in tact"....and yes, that IS the way it is.....If I want my warranty honored by DC, I have to abide by the rules that were in place when I bought the truck.
That doesnt mean I cant fight for changes in the oil change intervals across the baord (if I believed it made sense, which I dont agree).....
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Oh, thats right...when I was in Walmart the other day I say boxes and boxes of "Damiler CHrysler Engine Oil" for sale......again, I dont buy into the "all companies are in cahoots to screw the consumer BS"...thats just paranoia...but hey, top each his or her own......
I said -- "Would you allow someone to come into your home and start destroying furniture and then walk out and not pay the damage?? " and you said "Of course not.... Where in the world, better yet, what wall did that come off of Dave?".....
Well, take it out of context why dontcha....
the rest of the quote was
"So why should a car maker allow someone to drive a vehicel, abuse it and then expect a free fix??? If the oil change intervals are too often, THAT is the resoning behind it......"
Every auto manufacturer has some warranty on their vehicle.....during which you get a free fix to your vehicle if a failure has occured...however, since some people might NEVER change their oil if fixes were always free, the companies have to enact an across the board recommendation for oil changes that will work for ALL customers....3,000 miles is the number they settled on.....and yes, like it or not, til that changes "That is just the way it is". The comparison to the furniture/house thing is this: The same way you have locks on your doors to prevent potential thieves or vandals from coming itno your home and stealing stuff or destroying stuff, and therefore costing YOU money, the companies have rules to be followed if a customer wants free repairs under warranty...the rules are the "locks"....if you follow the rules they set forth, you have the "key" to the lock.....
Just cas you give your key to only trusted folks, companies have to trust that the folks that but their cars and follwo the rules wont try to screww THEM over....
Have you never heard of consumers faking receipts and faking stories to get a warranty honored?? Or how about the millions of dollars each year lost by the insurance companies due to people filing fraudulent claims??
It is hard to pin all the blame for what you consider "excessive oil change intervals" on companies when there are just as many consumers who are out to screw over the companies....
There is blame on bothsides....
If consumers were 100% honorable and trustworthy, maybe the auto makers WOULD extend maintenance intervals....but because so many people DO screw them, they have to put things in place to keep as much of that in cheeck as possible....
There is abuse of BOTH ends of the equation......and again, that gets back to human nature.
"Oh, like you can read their minds, huh? Then tell me this Dave, why'd they change the D?"
Lost me there....."change the D" in what way?