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#21 Old 06-14-2012, 11:18 PM
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Just found rails from Addictive Desert Designs (would post the hyperlink, but admin's wont let me until I post 5 times). I like them, except for the step and not being able to tell if they mount to the frame or body.
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... Welded to frame with 2" x 3" box steel mounts...
I thought we couldn't weld to our frames...?
Hydroformed and all that?
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Just found rails from Addictive Desert Designs (would post the hyperlink, but admin's wont let me until I post 5 times). I like them, except for the step and not being able to tell if they mount to the frame or body.
I think these are the ones you're talking about: http://addictivedesertdesigns.com/sh...psrock-gaurds/

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After having a small issue with the lack of sliders on my 08....



I just had the rock slide engineering sliders installed on my 11 CTD.






After doing a lot of research of what was available out there for either power wagons or CTD like mine, I found that there were not a lot of options.
I looked into fabbing something that mounted to the frame rail, but because the rocker panel of the truck is only 1" or so above the level of the bottom of the frame rail, anything that I mounted there would have to dip down and either hang a few inches below the rocker, using up precious ground clearance. or dip down and then come back up. Either way, it would look stupid or would waste a lot of space. Not to mention that the outside of the body is 15" away from the outside of the frame, creating A LOT of leverage that would push a frame mounted slider up into the body.
So, for me, mounting to the frame was not a viable option. And also from a purely cosmetic standpoint, round tube, doesn't at all match the lines of the truck.
There are quite a few "nerf bars" or Tube steps out there for these trucks. After looking a a dozen or so different kinds, including the ones available from Mopar, they all mount to the body, on the back side of the rocker. Using the factory threaded holes there. These are for the most part sturdy enough to stand on and do the job of being just a step just fine. But none of them would come close to supporting the truck. Either the material of the step it's self wouldn't hold up, or the single plane mounting would deform too much.

That led me to the rock slide sliders. I liked the fact that they didn't take up any of my ground clearance. I also liked that being 3/16 plate steel and being supported by 2 different mounting planes they seemed very sturdy.
There was some worries about being mounted only to the body, but then I realized that Jeeps have been doing this for years, and even brand new Jeep JKs use body mounted sliders. I of course realize that my truck weighs a lot more than your average Jeep, but the proof of concept was there.
I was able to watch the entire install process, and I was very pleased with the outcome. The sliders tuck up tight against the body, and along the bottom of the rocker, so, I'm only losing ground clearance of the 3/16 thickness of the slider. Then since I do live in Utah, and the winter salt on the roads is a concern here. I had the installer add a bead of silicone along the entire slider mounting, front and rear. This will keep any water/salt/mud either from running down the side of the truck and behind the slider, or any of the same being flipped up by the tires. I will of course keep an eye on this and re-apply as needed, if ever.
Now... Do they work? Short of finding a large rock to scratch up my new sliders on.....
I had the installer lift the entire truck my just the sliders. The front arms of the lift would not shorten enough to get the pads on the sliders, so he used some rubber mats to set the sliders directly on the lift arms, and the pads were just chilling in the void between the slider and the frame.

Picture of the front lift arm on the slider and the lift arm pad in the void




There was no distortion at all of either the slider, or the body.
However, even being a heavy truck, everything was spread out over 4 lift points. So I had him remove all the lift arms but one and under the front passenger side of the slider lift the truck until both passenger tires of the truck were off the ground.
Again, no distortion of either the body or the slider.



Now, the issue of the bed.
I have thought a lot of what to do here....
You can't mount anything really to the frame because of the leaf spring mount, and the frame rises right behind the cab.
And you can't connect the cab slider to the bed slider because they have to move independently of each other. I'm not sure how much, but even Dodge saw fit to leave at least an inch and a quarter gap at any given point between the bed and cab.
I spoke with rock slide about this. They offered to extend the slider to the rear wheel well. But didn't want to attach it for obvious reasons. The slider would still be ridged there but it would essentially be floating out in space. And with out either leaving a rather large gap or having the chance of crushing the bed side when the cab and the bed flex independently.
I saw the pictures posted of the ADD steps/sliders, and while theirs do go all the way to the wheel, they are still just floating there and offer minimal to no actual protection.
If anyone has a practical solution for this, I'd love to hear it. But other than purely cosmetic, or a flatbed.... I don't see a decent solution.
So, my solution for this is..... Be a good driver, be careful, and use a spotter if/when you are in that type of situation.
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notajeep- thanks for the pictures. From the looks of it I'm going to be eating my words a little. I still prefer sliders with a step built into them (which is why I had mine made the way they are), but these look like they will do just fine.

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Ordered My R-SE Sliders today for my 11 can't wait to get them on!! Thanks R-SE for an awesome product, and notajeep for showing that they are just as amazing as I thought!!
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I called to see if they would fit on a 3G and they said they would be testing them out next week. I don't think that they will do to the way the bottom opening on the 4G door is about 2 inches higher. But they could make some good $$$ if they modified them slightly to allow for 3G use.

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I have a NIB set of these for sale $500 face to face. Shipping is a fortune, so willing to drive 100 miles from Northern VA.

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I have a NIB set of these for sale $500 face to face.

Shipping is a fortune, so willing to drive 150 miles from Northern VA.
Still for sale-

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Nevermind, I thought those sliders might have been OEM.

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I have seen Power Wagons flexed to the max & beyond with absolutely NO movement between the bed & cab. Power Wagon frames have a different part # Than reg 2500 or 3500's. Another reason PW's ROCK !!!

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Another option:

Those vans weigh upwards of 10,000 lbs. Pretty innovative & impressive if you ask me.

08' PowerWagon w/6-speed manual G-56. 05' 30' toyhauler camper.(10,500lbs)
Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
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That's pretty slick! ...

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Still for sale-

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Those Rock Slide Engineering sliders look like the way to go. I visited their site, but didn't see sliders for PWs. Are they custom built or special order? Can you tell us what they cost? Shipping could be a factor, but Montana isn't too fal from Logan. Thanks!

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Went to the ADD shop a couple days ago and had a look around... this truck was actually there.



The steps on the rails are removable and they just bolt on from the bottom. But I did not notice if they bolt to the frame or if to the body.

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I actually have those slider/steps on my truck. They are sturdy and look great. Check my post else where about my thoughts. Actually, after breakfast, I'll post a link. Stand-by...

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/show...98#post4428398



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Question for notajeep or anyone else with the RSE sliders:
It looks like they attach the outsides of the rockers at 7 points, requiring 7 holes drilled into the rockers? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

On a separate note, there's one company I haven't seen mentioned- Anybody got Aluminess sliders? Thoughts on them?
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Question for notajeep or anyone else with the RSE sliders:
It looks like they attach the outsides of the rockers at 7 points, requiring 7 holes drilled into the rockers? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

On a separate note, there's one company I haven't seen mentioned- Anybody got Aluminess sliders? Thoughts on them?
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Question for notajeep or anyone else with the RSE sliders:
It looks like they attach the outsides of the rockers at 7 points, requiring 7 holes drilled into the rockers? Or are my eyes deceiving me?

On a separate note, there's one company I haven't seen mentioned- Anybody got Aluminess sliders? Thoughts on them?
A few guys have ordered them recently. We are waiting for feedback. They do look sturdy. Some don't like that they attach to the inside of the rockers. The rocker is a strong part of the cab structure, but you bolt them through sheetmetal, basically. So it could go either way.




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