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  Please help! - Posted: 11-16-2012, 11:17 AM
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Hey guys, been awhile since I've posted here! I'm soory to bother but I am in some desperate need of a little help!

I have an '03 Durango with 33k miles. Very lows miles but we do drive it.

Now its been about 2 weeks since the last time I dove it, but it has developed a very nasty habit!

When going 45 mph+, the right front (possibly both front) tire(s) will lock up and release. I locks up hard enough to make the tire screech a little and make you feel like you are going to headbut the dash. It scared the crap out of me the first time it happened, but since then, It has happened about 5-6 times back and forth to work yesterday.

Any one have any experiences like this? Pads are good, fluid is good, it's not a frozen caliper as it drives fine when it doesn't lock up. And when it does lock up, I'm not even touching the brake pedal, just driving like normal.

Please help!!!!
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 Posted: 11-16-2012, 10:54 PM
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does it happen when you tap the brake pedal, or just cruisin?
are you on 4wd/2wd?
do you have front ABS?
sound freaky.
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 Posted: 11-17-2012, 01:15 AM
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Just driving, not even touching the brake pedal. it is 2wd with abs. Thanks!
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 Posted: 11-17-2012, 07:01 AM
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I'd hope you have 4w ABS for this to happen. If not, it would make it seem even more scary to have the brakes randomly pulsate.

My guess would be a faulty ABS relay. Moisture, even in warmer climates can wreak havoc on vehicles that aren't driven regularly, or taking short trips where the vehicle cannot warm up properly to operating temp for at least 10 minutes to evaporate any condensation built up.

My 2000 always gave me some pull when starting out in the morning. Going out of my driveway the ABS would be overly cautious and grab the brakes when it's not needed. I pulled the relay out for one winter as the ice was very bad and the ABS would kick on constantly not allowing the vehicle to stop but merely kicking the tire(s) forward. Removed the relay and all was great. It did show the engine light so I put the relay back in when the weather warmed up. I know the 2000 model is the odd ball of the group for many things, so hopefully you can do something similar with your 2003 to see if that's the cause of your problem.
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 Posted: 11-17-2012, 02:11 PM
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Thank you for your help! I kinda felt it was abs related. Ill probably swap out the module and ill report back here if it fixes it!
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You don't need to swap it just yet. Just pull it out and leave it out for a quick drive. Now, the relay might affect some other systems, like say interior lighting or something along that line, and/or set off the parking brake light/ABS light when you remove it, so just be aware of that. If the braking problem goes away with the ABS relay removed, the relay itself might be your issue.

Each hub (wheel bearing) also has an ABS sensor attached to it, although to have both front wheels act similar when you're driving still points to the relay itself. Also make sure that the brakes have sufficient fluid in the reservoir.
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 Posted: 11-17-2012, 06:23 PM
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Alright, I'll give it a try today. I really appreciate you time & help!
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 Posted: 11-17-2012, 06:26 PM
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No problem at all, that's why we're all here!

Keep us posted on your results...
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 Posted: 11-19-2012, 09:05 PM
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OK, so I unplugged to connector to the ABS module and it is STILL doing the same thing. When the brakes lock up, it does not pull to one side which leads me to believe that both fronts are locking up. For all I know, the rears may be being applied as well but only the front tires screech.

any other ideas?

To review, here are my symptons.

1. Front brakes randomly locking up for about 1 second causing front tires to screech.

2. It happens @ around 45-60 mph definitely not happening beloew 45, to scared to drive it past 60 mph for now.

3. Happens randomly, I'm not even touching the brake pedal.

4. it happens both on uhill and downhill roads.

5. No lights on in the dash
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I can't begin to estimate what might be wrong. I'd 'guess' the master cylinder or brake booster is causing the problem. If it's vacuum pressure related you may get away lucky if there's a cracked line somewhere, or something causing a quick jolt in pressure that might cause the brakes to grab, but I'd still point toward a bad component such as the master cylinder or brake booster.

If you have added brake fluid and can't find a leak, or you've been adding it slowly throughout the time you've had the vehicle, the fluid might be leaking into the booster itself, which holds a diaphragm and can cause variable problems. The master cylinder contains multiple springs and plungers that move at different intervals so the higher pressure goes to the front pads, instead of the rear pads or shoes. If there is dirt inside, it can prevent the springs from moving to allow fluid through, or in your case, they're stuck open ever so slightly. Well, I 'guessed'...

Unless someone else chime's in you may have to take it in for a proper diagnosis at a local shop.
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Abs applies the brakes? I thought it only releases pressure to the calipers and brake cylinders
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Your thought is correct.

The ABS is (at least in my Durango) overly sensitive if there is moisture in the air that morning. Going from fall to winter I find is the worst. Roads are slick (driveways too) and for the first several hundred meters I just touch my brake pedal and the ABS kicks in. I was lucky to pull the relay/fuse for my ABS system until the snow is here to stay, otherwise ABS is more dangerous when it's overly sensitive. It pulses it (mine sounds like it moans like a dying animal when it kicks in during cooler weather - its odd) and the tire slides over the irregular asphalt surface even if the slippery ice patch is long gone. I can't even slow down on a road covered in leaves or my ABS will kick in like something fierce even with a slight tap of the pedal. It's very annoying.
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