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pdavey
 
 Posted: 04-14-2012, 10:04 AM
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I was under the impression that the PSC box is also rebuilt and upgraded. If not WTH are they so expensive?
I think they are expensive because they could be. No other competition, however the new rebuilt Dodge box is an all new design. I remember that the PCS has the capability for hydro assist, but most folks won't use that.

http://www.klmstore.com/mopar-681702...g-box-kit.aspx. is a description of the new box.

But it is a lot cheaper at wermopar
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 Posted: 04-14-2012, 10:34 AM
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Here is the links: http://wermopar.com/

http://www.wholesalemopar.com/
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Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
About 2" taller, 12,000lb winch w/mounting brace between framerails,electronic disconnecting swaybar(for awsome articulation),electronic locking axles front & rear(for true 4-wheel drive),tow pkg, fully skidplated,forged one piece Alcoa rims w/internal beadlock lips,larger diameter(one ton) axleshaft in rear,160 amp alt,HD battery,4.56 gears,low range electronic recalibration of gas pedal sensitivity,more but thinner leafs in rear spring pack(for better articulation), 33" BFG All-Terrain tires. 78.016:1 crawl ratio. All for $6100.00 more! Oh yeah, almost forgot-Bilstein shocks. Gear ratios: 1st 6.29:1 2nd 3.48:1 3rd 2.10:1 4th 1.38:1 5th 1.0:1 6th .79:1.. Rev 5.74:1.
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 Posted: 04-14-2012, 12:35 PM
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Okay now that my head is scrambled. If I go the Borgeson route those are rebuilt boxes with updates right? So I could just get the updated oem box with the larger shaft, get the new pitman arm and new shaft and I'd be where the Psc kit is? To use the 951 Borgenson shaft I'd need that new intermediate shaft too?

Also, should I be able to grab the bars the tre's are on and be able to twist them back and forth with like no effort?
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In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
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 Posted: 04-15-2012, 09:13 PM
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I have been doing some extensive research on here and CF. Apparently the reason you don't see many people running the borgenson box, and why the box has different dimensions for bolting it up is because its not a dodge box. Its a late 90's GMC box. The reason why it won't work with the newer t style linkage is because the pitman arm is a GM one that they supply.

So, im kinda back to square one and now im starting to over think everything I think.

What I know- I need a new steering box. I don't really care if its the bigger one or not. The bigger one seems like its good and is holding up. PSC and OEM boxes seem to be the same. Apparently the borgenson 951 shaft will bolt on the OEM box no problem. It'd be great if someone could confirm this. Or I guess I'll have to be the test mule. I have found that the OEM box comes with a new pitman arm and drag link tie rod.

What I don't know- Will the borgenson shaft ACTUALLY fit the new OEM box. And Also, say I do go OEM, Im almost positive i don't need to upgrade anything else except my bearing on my steering brace right? The drag link end will fit in the adjustment sleeve?
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Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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 Posted: 04-15-2012, 10:10 PM
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okay, I think im going to solve my own headaches and save myself a little money.

heres what i'm 90% sure im doing. part number 68170214AA from wermopar. The new OEM box with the new pitman arm and drag link.

The new Mopar 68170214AA 2003- 2008 Dodge Ram 2500/3500 Steering Box Kit will stop:

the problems associated with poor steering response
leaking power steering fluid
steering wander
sluggish steering response

The Mopar 68170214AA 2003- 2008 Dodge Ram 2500/3500 Steering Box Kit works on the following Dodge Ram trucks:

2003 - 2008 Dodge Ram 2500 4x4 - Gas or Diesel
2003 - 2008 Dodge Ram 3500 4x4 - Gas or Diesel
2005 - 2008 Dodge Ram 1500 Megacab 4X4

The Mopar 68170214AA 2003- 2008 Dodge Ram 2500/3500 Steering Box Kit includes the following MOPAR parts:

1 - Complete Updated Steering Box
1 - Tie Rod End Assembly
1 - Pitman Arm


And I guess I'll get the full borgenson 951 shaft. I'm assuming it will fit because i haven't seen anyone else upgrading the shaft to make it work on theirs. So, when that and the control arms and the trackbar are done.. no more bump steer or wandering hopefully!
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Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers

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 Posted: 04-15-2012, 11:16 PM
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You need the Borgeson steering shaft #000951. The entire shaft.
The reason the PSC kit is so expensive, is that it IS the same gearbox that the newer trucks have, with the larger sector shaft & other stuff. The short Borgeson shaft that comes with it, is needed to connect the newer-larger gearbox to your #000951 shaft. The shaft is 2 pieces, so the only part that needs to be changed, is the lower shaft---which is why it is included. The pitman arm is included because the sector shaft inside the new & improved gearbox is MUCH bigger. Hope that helps.





The u-joint sections on the borgeson shaft are removable & replaceable as well.
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Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
About 2" taller, 12,000lb winch w/mounting brace between framerails,electronic disconnecting swaybar(for awsome articulation),electronic locking axles front & rear(for true 4-wheel drive),tow pkg, fully skidplated,forged one piece Alcoa rims w/internal beadlock lips,larger diameter(one ton) axleshaft in rear,160 amp alt,HD battery,4.56 gears,low range electronic recalibration of gas pedal sensitivity,more but thinner leafs in rear spring pack(for better articulation), 33" BFG All-Terrain tires. 78.016:1 crawl ratio. All for $6100.00 more! Oh yeah, almost forgot-Bilstein shocks. Gear ratios: 1st 6.29:1 2nd 3.48:1 3rd 2.10:1 4th 1.38:1 5th 1.0:1 6th .79:1.. Rev 5.74:1.

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 Posted: 04-16-2012, 06:42 AM
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Okay so if I get the oem upgrade kit thing, I will need the lower section of the shaft regardless it I get the Borgenson 951 shaft? Or do I not need it if I am getting the shaft. It's still cheaper to get the oem box upgrade, steering shaft, and the lower shaft if I need it than the Psc. It's just nice they have it grouped together
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Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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 Posted: 04-16-2012, 10:51 AM
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Okay so if I get the oem upgrade kit thing, I will need the lower section of the shaft regardless it I get the Borgenson 951 shaft? Or do I not need it if I am getting the shaft. It's still cheaper to get the oem box upgrade, steering shaft, and the lower shaft if I need it than the Psc. It's just nice they have it grouped together

Yes you will need the lower section, if you have the new gearbox, regardless if you have the complete 951 Borgeson shaft. The reason is---the new & improved gearbox has a much bigger shaft diameter, where the splines are, so you need a new end on the steering shaft to fit it.

If you get an new exact replacement gearbox or have yours rebuilt by RedHead, you will not need the new lower section. But why would you do that ?
The crappy stock gearbox is the issue, or at least one of them, that contributes to the front end/steering issues that 03-09 2500/3500/Power Wagons get.
Yes, that is one of the reasons, probably, for their high price. It is a complete package. You KNOW that the pitman arm will fit & you KNOW that your 951 shaft will still work with the new gearbox because THEY give you the proper parts. PLUS, you don't have to deal with an idiot at the parts counter at the dealer. They can't do anything without the VIN # now. I can't imagine the nightmare of trying to order parts for a different truck without having a VIN #. They won't even sell me an oil filter without the VIN #, even though i can see it on the shelf & point to it & say "i need that one right there ! " To me, not having that aggrivation alone is worth $$.
The reason they did just the lower part of the shaft is, that MANY people have already installed the 951 shaft BEFORE the new & improved gearbox came out. They did not want to alienate all the people who already bought & installed them---like me for example. So, they include it in the kit.
Maybe you can call them & talk to them & explain that you need the upper part as well. Maybe the will sell you just the upper part, seeing as how the lower part is included in the kit. IDK if they will or not, but it is worth a phone call anyways.
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08' PowerWagon w/6-speed manual G-56. 05' 30' toyhauler camper.(10,500lbs)
Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
About 2" taller, 12,000lb winch w/mounting brace between framerails,electronic disconnecting swaybar(for awsome articulation),electronic locking axles front & rear(for true 4-wheel drive),tow pkg, fully skidplated,forged one piece Alcoa rims w/internal beadlock lips,larger diameter(one ton) axleshaft in rear,160 amp alt,HD battery,4.56 gears,low range electronic recalibration of gas pedal sensitivity,more but thinner leafs in rear spring pack(for better articulation), 33" BFG All-Terrain tires. 78.016:1 crawl ratio. All for $6100.00 more! Oh yeah, almost forgot-Bilstein shocks. Gear ratios: 1st 6.29:1 2nd 3.48:1 3rd 2.10:1 4th 1.38:1 5th 1.0:1 6th .79:1.. Rev 5.74:1.

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You're the man twin. I appreciate you explaining that all. Wermopar sells the next updated box for 450 or so. That's with a new pitman arm and drag link. So I'll probably do that. And then the 951 shaft. But now I just need to source the lower part for the new box to fit the 951 shaft as I don't see it listed on Psc or borgesons. I'm going to try to order all this stuff ASAP because I am almost afraid to drive my truck anymore.

So I guess I just need a part number or link or something to get that lower shaft
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Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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Call PSC directly
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Guess I'll have to. Any idea if that's borgeson or Psc's?
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2004 QCSB 2500 hemi with 4.10s Laramie

Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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I would think it is Borgesons. But PSC sells it with the kit, so they gotta have access to them. Call PSC, they were awesome when i dealt with them. Just dont tell them that you bought the gearbox cheaper somewhere else---that might piss them off. Choose your wording carefully.
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08' PowerWagon w/6-speed manual G-56. 05' 30' toyhauler camper.(10,500lbs)
Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
About 2" taller, 12,000lb winch w/mounting brace between framerails,electronic disconnecting swaybar(for awsome articulation),electronic locking axles front & rear(for true 4-wheel drive),tow pkg, fully skidplated,forged one piece Alcoa rims w/internal beadlock lips,larger diameter(one ton) axleshaft in rear,160 amp alt,HD battery,4.56 gears,low range electronic recalibration of gas pedal sensitivity,more but thinner leafs in rear spring pack(for better articulation), 33" BFG All-Terrain tires. 78.016:1 crawl ratio. All for $6100.00 more! Oh yeah, almost forgot-Bilstein shocks. Gear ratios: 1st 6.29:1 2nd 3.48:1 3rd 2.10:1 4th 1.38:1 5th 1.0:1 6th .79:1.. Rev 5.74:1.
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Found this deal over at D T X New box and shaft for $699.00

http://www.dodgeoffroad.com/store_borgeson3G.php

fits 03-08 trucks but something about having to drill out the pitman arm for the 08.5 T stearing drag link not fitting?
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Currently Sporting: DT Profab Steering Brace, Gibson superflow catback single exhaust system, Locker Bypass, Moog ball joints (see how long they last), T-steering upgrade w/ Bilstein 5100 steering damper, Power everything, Heated leather seats, (keeps the better half happy) 6-CD changer, Infinity premium audio, Rear window defrost, Bilstein 5100 shocks, Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ's 285/70/17, Customized H2 alloy wheels, VHT spray on the cab lights(stealth mode), Original rock rails with family friendly steps welded on, Hi-lift extreme jack, Tool box along with all the essential PW gear. New winch cable, Winch TPS bypass, Cardan joint grease zerk discovery.
The list is morphing.

Beer is just water that has reached its full potential!


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sony224422
 
 Posted: 04-17-2012, 01:18 PM
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Little update. Called Psc. They are really really nice to deal with. That kit they sell is an oem box. The shaft they sell with it is borgeson. It's because with the new box they went from a splined input to the clamp style. They sell the bottom of that shaft for $115. Then he told me they have an adapter shaft for pre 08.5's (smaller splined input shaft) to the new oem box. It's the full shaft for $315. That's cheaper than buying the two pieces and putting them together. And borgeson makes them for Psc. So I bought the full shaft since I wanted that anyways. So my 04 will bolt up now with the 2010 box. It has it's own part number and when I get it I'll post it up. I hope all this helps someone else as I've been wanting to do all this so I'm glad I found it all at once.
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2004 QCSB 2500 hemi with 4.10s Laramie

Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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 Posted: 04-17-2012, 08:48 PM
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That isgood to hear.. Price tag all said and done?
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2005 BLACK POWER WAGON


Power Wagon Owners Club #155
Currently Sporting: DT Profab Steering Brace, Gibson superflow catback single exhaust system, Locker Bypass, Moog ball joints (see how long they last), T-steering upgrade w/ Bilstein 5100 steering damper, Power everything, Heated leather seats, (keeps the better half happy) 6-CD changer, Infinity premium audio, Rear window defrost, Bilstein 5100 shocks, Mickey Thompson Baja ATZ's 285/70/17, Customized H2 alloy wheels, VHT spray on the cab lights(stealth mode), Original rock rails with family friendly steps welded on, Hi-lift extreme jack, Tool box along with all the essential PW gear. New winch cable, Winch TPS bypass, Cardan joint grease zerk discovery.
The list is morphing.

Beer is just water that has reached its full potential!

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 Posted: 04-17-2012, 09:02 PM
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hahah.. well.. I ordered my new control arms ($399) from 8lug along with the new box, pitman arm, and tie rod adapter thingy for the old steering from wermopar (580 shipped) and the PSC/Borgeson shaft for $330 shipped. sooo around $1200 or so. I actually got new bilsten 5100's already on this past weekend ($300) plus the steering stabilizer 5100($90) and the thuren track bar i ordered too should be coming as well ($340)

Grand total.. I know I've spend a hair over $2000 for all this stuff and a few extras ( got some front and rear mag tec diff covers)

But when its all said and done, if my truck drives like its supposed to and doesn't wander all over, I'll be externally happy as it is the ONE thing i HATE about my truck. Last thing before my truck is "done" would be some carli ball joints but those won't be coming for another year or 2. That and fix the little rust spot i have. By then it will be paid off and I will have the extra money to do what I want with it.
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2004 QCSB 2500 hemi with 4.10s Laramie

Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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 Posted: 04-17-2012, 10:07 PM
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hahah.. well.. I ordered my new control arms ($399) from 8lug along with the new box, pitman arm, and tie rod adapter thingy for the old steering from wermopar (580 shipped) and the PSC/Borgeson shaft for $330 shipped. sooo around $1200 or so. I actually got new bilsten 5100's already on this past weekend ($300) plus the steering stabilizer 5100($90) and the thuren track bar i ordered too should be coming as well ($340)

Grand total.. I know I've spend a hair over $2000 for all this stuff and a few extras ( got some front and rear mag tec diff covers)

But when its all said and done, if my truck drives like its supposed to and doesn't wander all over, I'll be externally happy as it is the ONE thing i HATE about my truck. Last thing before my truck is "done" would be some carli ball joints but those won't be coming for another year or 2. That and fix the little rust spot i have. By then it will be paid off and I will have the extra money to do what I want with it.
"Externally happy"! I hadn't heard that one before. Interesting choice of words.

Hope the steering works out for you.
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 Posted: 04-18-2012, 12:32 AM
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Externally happy is a Dodge thing. As for the exact definition:
Externally happy: An emotion that Dodge owners experience, meaning: happy on the outside, that they think it is fixed. Yet still reserved on the inside, because they really know, deep down inside, that something else is gonna need fixin soon.

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Hellwig LoadPro 35 bolt on 4 leaf helper springs.
No honey, I'm NOT done buying shit for the truck yet !!!
PurpleCrainium Diff Guards
K&N air filter --- WeatherGuard 20" black bed toolbox.
winch TPC bypass
Dual battery set up w/2 Sears DieHard Platinums-Gp 65 under hood-Gp 31 Marine deep cycle in bed toolbox w/plug-n-play set up. Custom 2000/4000w inverter set up w/quick connect. Triple bike mounts above the bed- custom made by me.
Crapload of recovery gear-always subject to adding more.
Fab Four rear bumper. Soon to be- a BuckStop Baja front bumper.--Temporarily on hold, see reason below.
Installed: Borgeson #000951 steering shaft. PSC steering brace(notched for PW by Rusty-thanks bud). Carli HD CroMo adjustable track bar. Carli CroMo control arms. Carli HD upper & lower balljoints x 2 sets (replaced under warrenty) & triple sealed u-joints in front axle shafts & rear driveshaft. Moog HD tierod ends x 4. Running total is now $4800. Yup, now i'm broke !!!


What, you ask, is the difference between a Dodge Ram and a PowerWagon ?? PW frame part # 55398868AC---Reg 2500 #55398813AC
About 2" taller, 12,000lb winch w/mounting brace between framerails,electronic disconnecting swaybar(for awsome articulation),electronic locking axles front & rear(for true 4-wheel drive),tow pkg, fully skidplated,forged one piece Alcoa rims w/internal beadlock lips,larger diameter(one ton) axleshaft in rear,160 amp alt,HD battery,4.56 gears,low range electronic recalibration of gas pedal sensitivity,more but thinner leafs in rear spring pack(for better articulation), 33" BFG All-Terrain tires. 78.016:1 crawl ratio. All for $6100.00 more! Oh yeah, almost forgot-Bilstein shocks. Gear ratios: 1st 6.29:1 2nd 3.48:1 3rd 2.10:1 4th 1.38:1 5th 1.0:1 6th .79:1.. Rev 5.74:1.
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Mods to the PW; Nerffed Mopar RockRails, Wheel Well Liners, Bushwacker Pocket Fender Flairs, Extang Tonneau Cover, Garvmin dezl 560LMT GPS, Power Wagon Winch Kit, Line X Ultra Bed Liner, PIAA Headlight Bulbs, PIAA 580 Driving Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 Fog Lights (135 watt), PIAA 520 ATP Off-Road Lights (135 watt), Locker Bypass, Modifed Rockcrusher Diff Covers, Mopar Utility Bed Rails and Tool Box, Warn Winch Wireless Remote Control, "el-cheapo" Inclinometer, Airaid CAI, Winch TPS Bypass, Had 35" Cooper STT's now 35" Toyo's, Mopar Spare Tire Lock, 'T' Steering Linkage, Modifed PSC Steering Brace, P3 Brake Controller, Modifed Fusion "mall crawler" rear bumper, PIAA 1500 Back-Up Lights, 1Ton HEMI Tranny Cooler, Leer 100XR Bed Cap, Factory Tow Mirrors, CenterLine Rims 17x9-5.25 BS, Mag-Hytec Tranny Pan, AutoMeter Gauges, PSC Extreme Hydro Assist Steering, Carli Track Bar, Carli Ball-Joints, Dynatrac FreeSpin Hubs, Snorkel, RCV Axles, EBC Pads & Rotors, Aluminess Front Bumper, BIG Pul-Pal and it's own body bag!, 60" Extreme Hi-lift Jack, and more riggin' equipment, Carli Long Travel Air Bags, Bilstein 7100 Shocks - Carli Valving, MORE STUFF COMIN', TTI headers, Somebody's long arm, 7.2L MOTOR ,
Mods to me; Ti hip replacement. Zerk fitting in knee. Now it's gets greased more than some guys front drive shafts. I've been Used, Abused and Recycled!
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 Posted: 04-18-2012, 09:04 AM
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Just got off the phone with wermopar. Cool dealer, he knows his stuff too. Anyways, new steering box is on its way wooo
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2004 QCSB 2500 hemi with 4.10s Laramie

Back rack with whelen freedom 2 light bar (custom made by me with extras) Whelen Par 36 aircraft landing lights behind the grill, Whelen par 36 spot lights for reverse lights, Whelen strip lights in the bed (6 in total), Whelen cencom to control everything
In bed tool box with lights and extra battery with isolator and also a solenoid to connect both batteries together if i need to
Color matched grill,
Fox box with 2 diamond d3 12's with Diamond d3 600.1 amp
SRT-10 a pillar with trans temp gauge
Mag-tec trans pan
Superchips 3865 with trans tuning
Nitto trail grapplers
POWER WAGON WINCH SET UP
Alpine ina-w900bt with reverse camera
Alpine type r 2 ways in the doors powered by alpine pdx-f4
steering box brace
sound deading
Big 3 done with 4 gauge
E-fan
POR-15 the frame and under body
Jimmy jammers
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