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#1 Old 02-19-2009, 08:09 PM
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Death Wobble

I know there's about 50 threads on here about death wobble but thought I'd just give some information about what I just learned from a dealer. I went into the service department to tell them the issue I was having with my steering, I didn't even bother to mention the phrase "death wobble" since I assumed they would have no idea what I was talking about. To my surprise though, they called me back and said I was experiencing whats called "death wobble" and there is a technical service bulletin out for 3/4 Dodge's about the problem...basically a recall. They replaced the tie rod ends, steering damper, and a few other things for free. So Dodge is aware there is a problem and has put out a bulletin to get it fixed...and its all free.

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The "Steering Upgrade" thread on this forum discusses it, if you have a chance to read it. The few people that have done it haven't all been pleased with it. How do you like it? Would you recommend it? Was your death wobble extremely bad?

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loved my upgrade, couldnt get over 45mph, steering is way more responsive, takes a little getting used to....DO IT
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Keep in mind I think the TSB states the vehicle must have the stock tires. So if you have anything other then the 33" BFG tires on, the TSB states not to do it. I'm sure it is up to the dealer though, so you may be able to con them into it.

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i did what the tsb said to do. it didn't fix the problem, and dealer would do no more. after they thourougly inspected it, i went to the tire shop and he and i pulled the tires off. chucks of tread were missing....complete inspection by the dealer hugh. new bfg's on and no more death wobble! In my opinion, once the stock bfg's hit 40k, replace them no matter what.

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I did the upgrade and it fixed the minor death wobble I had, very happy with it.

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The dealer replaced all four ball joints for my DW. Since I ditched the BFG AT's, I haven't had a wobble. I think the tires are more important than anything.
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After reading so much about "Death Wobble" on this forum, it seems to be an art instead of a science. But where Chrysler/Dodge is concerned with all the engineers they have, I'm sure they know exactly what's going on. The sad part is, all big corporations wait until they are sued, and It becomes more cost effective to fix the problem once and for ALL.

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I don't know how many people have seen this but it shows death wobble via video from under the truck. It make you wonder how the truck even stays on the road. Just click on death wobble when you open the page up.
http://thurenfabrication.com/misc.html

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IMO, it is a combination of things that cause it. I started to experience it ever so slightly the other day. Checked the tire pressure, it had dropped to 48-50psi between the 4 Cooper STTs, put them back to 60 psi and it went away. The tires, especially the stock tires are the biggest culprit. They buy in bulk on the cheap, and as its been said and proven before, it's cheaper for the company to pay out lawsuits when people die, than it is to do a recall or admit to a defective design or part. I think the tires are crap and prematurely wear out the ball joints and tierod ends. The owner gets fustrated,puts new tires on it, takes it back to the dealer, they say corperate wont pay for repairs cause they are not the right tires. It is ALWAYS about the money.

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IMO, it is a combination of things that cause it. I started to experience it ever so slightly the other day. Checked the tire pressure, it had dropped to 48-50psi between the 4 Cooper STTs, put them back to 60 psi and it went away. The tires, especially the stock tires are the biggest culprit. They buy in bulk on the cheap, and as its been said and proven before, it's cheaper for the company to pay out lawsuits when people die, than it is to do a recall or admit to a defective design or part. I think the tires are crap and prematurely wear out the ball joints and tierod ends. The owner gets fustrated,puts new tires on it, takes it back to the dealer, they say corperate wont pay for repairs cause they are not the right tires. It is ALWAYS about the money.
I have to agree with you. I purchased my truck in June of last year before I ever joined this forum and heard of "death wobble". I got death wobble immediately, but only on extreme bumps ant high speeds. Once I installed bigger tires that problem went away. I've concidered the steering upgrade, but I figure if there's no problem, why worry about it. Your right about Dodge and a payout as opposed to recall. It's has to be even worse now with the financial situation there all in.

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The dealer replaced all four ball joints for my DW. Since I ditched the BFG AT's, I haven't had a wobble. I think the tires are more important than anything.

X2...got ride of the BFG AT's,problem solved..


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Well, if nothing else you can't beat some free parts

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I don't know how many people have seen this but it shows death wobble via video from under the truck. It make you wonder how the truck even stays on the road. Just click on death wobble when you open the page up.
http://thurenfabrication.com/misc.html
wow....great death wobble videos!

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I've gotten used to mine. I didn't have the problem before but I also never put more than 5k on the 33's before i ditched them for 35" a/t bfg's.

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Death Wobble

I seen that video and I really would not want to be going 70 MPH and have that give way it would really make for a BAD DAY 2008 power wagon inferno red QC 4x4 flowmaster custom dual exhaust extang hard tonneau cover BFG 315 AT go rhino ss hitch step AEM brute force air intake filter mag huskyliner floor mats and putco black led cab lights

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X2...got ride of the BFG AT's,problem solved..

x 3! haha ditched my 35" bfg ats for nittos and its like butter

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x 3! haha ditched my 35" bfg ats for nittos and its like butter

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I saw this BD Power product on a commercial. Looks like a good solution for standard 2500/3500 models. I wonder if they could whip one up to fit a Power Wagon?

http://www.dieselperformance.com/ind...uct/index/151P

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