So me and my bud are driving to get some suds for our chicks :cheers: when this white J-Body Mustang pulls up kinda quick behind me. I thought nothing of it cuz I was driving like a grandma cuz I had beer in the trunk. So he gets right up on my ass within inches of my rear bumper so I drop 2nd and goose it a little to let him know I'm down if he is... I mean... it's just a Mustang, right? So he starts to come around as the lanes open up and I nail it - pull on him for about 1.5 car lengths... then something strange happened... I failed to notice the reverse cowl-induction, cobra emblems, cobra bumper, Drag Radials, Front Runners, etc. He blew by me like I was standing still - I mean... 13.6 stock or whatever, hell no... this dude caught up me in a matter of a second or two and blew the doors straight off my ass.
I'm not ashamed or nuffin, but I'd have no chance against a Cobra STOCK much less whatever the hell he had done to it.
Next time I shall pay attention to the damned hood! I shall now go sit in the corner for a while, dunce hat and all. :banghead:
- Ninja
bjsstang03
04-19-2006, 01:34 PM
that dont mean nothing could just be a 4.6L SOHC with a cai, pullies and crappy exhaust. but nice run any way.
Brandon
rice_eater
04-19-2006, 04:20 PM
If it was a GT, Ninga would've had it by the throat, beer in the trunk or no beer in the trunk... The 4.6 SOHC V8s (not the new Tritons) dont hold a candle to the SRT-4. And what self-respecting Stang owner would put Cobra decals, the cowl induction hood, and front fascia on a non-cobra unless it was beefed up to Cobra spec?
bjsstang03
04-19-2006, 09:24 PM
its whats called a cobra conversion ever heard of it? guess not. and mustangs didnt come with "trition V8" wow you sure do know cars. what are you 15 or something? there are alot of aftermarket parts for mustangs. and some will beat up on ya if they know their going to win. i know i would.
brandon
madwax
04-20-2006, 12:11 AM
that dont mean nothing could just be a 4.6L SOHC with a cai, pullies and crappy exhaust. but nice run any way.
Brandon
Um, no, sorry. Our cars stock are not more than 1/2 a second off in the 1/4 mile times of a standard GT. No way a car with your description is hoing to blow by any SRT-4 that hard without a 250 shot of NOS. A Cobra with a lil work put into, yes, but no standard Mustang, with the stock turbo and a few bolt ons I pulled 3 car lengths on one to 75, and he was trying because we talked afterwards, he had a 2006 GT BTW........and no he had no chance of gaining ground.
bjsstang03
04-20-2006, 01:35 PM
screw the 4.6L SOHC Cobra i can smoke that with my friends 89 mustang lx with gt40p heads, gt40 upper and lower intake. tfs stage 2 cam, and c&L air intake. it got 342 RWHP with out nitrous. and i will be getting a 87 mustang GT t-tops by the way. just thought id show my mustang pride :rck: everythings stock except a comp cam, and BBK CAI, that would also blow by a srt-4 a stock 5.0L has 225HP and 260RWHP already, and yours is 250 stock. thats if everyone here is srt-4 powered. but the gt is heavier i will say. sorry for the bad mood. i just hate when people do that. ive seen Cobra clones, and alot of times people get the cobra body kits, and such and then they add like a cai, pullies, and exhaust, and they think they can beat anything. :mad:
Brandon
rice_eater
04-20-2006, 05:14 PM
its whats called a cobra conversion ever heard of it? guess not. and mustangs didnt come with "trition V8" wow you sure do know cars. what are you 15 or something? there are alot of aftermarket parts for mustangs. and some will beat up on ya if they know their going to win. i know i would.
brandon
LOL well, Mr. Mustang Know It All, lets see who knows there cars here...
In case you didnt catch it, the 4.6L SOHC V8 (2005-2006) has a total of 24 valves. Simple math will tell you that 24 valves divided by 8 cylinders gives you 3 valves per cylinder... Which is what Ford considers a "Triton V8". You say there are a lot of aftermarket parts out there for Mustangs, huh? Thank you for that little bit of info Sherlock Holmes..... :crazy:
Not to doubt your infinite wisdom of Mustangs here, as I'm sure there are plenty of mustang cobra look-a-likes, but CAI, UDP, and exhaust on a GT will not even get it close to an SRT-4 unless it is an 05-06 'Stang with the 4.6L SOHC Triton... And even then, it wont blow one away.
bjsstang03
04-20-2006, 05:30 PM
i thought you were talking about the foxbody v8 :D :thatfunny
rice_eater
04-20-2006, 05:33 PM
screw the 4.6L SOHC Cobra i can smoke that with my friends 89 mustang lx with gt40p heads, gt40... (BLAH BLAH BLAH)
I think the key words in that statement are, "my FRIEND'S 89 mustang"... I mean come on, no one cares what your friend has, you sound like a little high school punk bragging about daddy's car.
i will be getting a 87 mustang GT t-tops by the way. just thought id show my mustang pride :rck: everythings stock except a comp cam, and BBK CAI, that would also blow by a srt-4. a stock 5.0L has 225HP and 260RWHP already, and yours is 250 stock.
Whoop-de-doo and good for you.... Get your info right. How can a stock 302 have 225HP (crank), yet 260hp at the rear wheels? Your math is screwy there son. I also thought I'd let you know, since you're just going off factory numbers, that the 225bhp 5.0L you speak of was re-rated, by Ford, at 205bhp in 1993. It was the same engine, but the figure was reduced because Ford claimed the 225bhp rating previously given was not accurate in comparison with how other manufacturers rated their engine outputs, and in fact, the engine only put out 205bhp. Another flaw in your calculations is the numbers for the SRT-4. Dodge claimed 215hp at the crank in 2003, but when the cars where dyno'd it was found that they put out between 225 and 235 hp AT THE WHEELS. Since Dodge did not want to be seen as lying about hp output, they raised the claim to 235bhp in 2004, along with a bump from 245 to 250 ft/lbs of torque. The engines were not modified, although the 04 and 05 models also got a LSD.
rice_eater
04-20-2006, 05:37 PM
i thought you were talking about the foxbody v8 :D :thatfunny
LOL, now thats not a half bad idea!!!! someone should stuff a Triton in a foxbody... specifically the Shelby Cobra engine when it comes out in.. '07? Crank up the boost on the supercharger and you'd have one heck of a ride... everyone knows BIG POWER + LOW WEIGHT = FAST. :D not that you couldnt boost a 302 just as easy with similar outputs, but i think the 4.6L would be more reliable and easier to drive on the street.
bjsstang03
04-20-2006, 05:46 PM
the 87 came with forged pistons, and the 93 came with whats called "hyper" pistons. 302 have very high torque and very low hp. low stroke. and yes i will admit im in highschool so what? therfore 87-92 had more horsepower and torque than the 93 the 93 is rated at 225 and like 250 or something like that. ah i see your new post. yes ive seen it done. the new 03 and 04 cobra engines in foxbodies. ive seen a really clean conversion of a guys 92 mustang coupe. put in the new 04 cobra and put the kennebell roots supercharger on it. and made 600HP the cobra blocks are made to handle 900 (<< and thats the limit) the pistons would break before the block did. not a bad idea if someone were to do a 07 cobra swap 450RWHP stock thats my kind of daily driver :crazy:
bjsstang03
04-20-2006, 05:47 PM
a stock 5.0L block can only handle 550 crank and then the mexican 5.0L block can handle 700HP before it splits in two like a cookie!!! :O
rice_eater
04-20-2006, 06:23 PM
And thats how the cookie crumbles.... LOL sorry i couldnt resist.
If I may ask though, how do pistons affect HP again? Sure the forged pistons (i havent looked into it, i'm taking you at your word) will HANDLE more HP than the hyperkinetic pistons in the 93's, before they grenade, but they wont affect engine output unless they change the compression ratio.
BTW... the numbers were 225bhp, 300ft/lbs and then they were revised to 205bhp, 275ft/lbs. What year of highschool are you in? I've only got one year left myself :D
Ninja-Matic
04-22-2006, 04:22 PM
ive seen a really clean conversion of a guys 92 mustang coupe. put in the new 04 cobra and put the kennebell roots supercharger on it. I can understand the super-duper-charger on an f-body. But what I don't understand is why purposely go from pushrod to OHC? Not knocking the motors, don't get me wrong. What I used to do back in the day of the F-Bodies was go to the boneyard - find myself an old conversion van with a 302 block in it, yank it, send it out to be cleaned, checked, bored, etc...
Why a van block? Simple. 4-bolt main instead of the stock 2-bolt on stangers. Sell your stock motor, of course. But a cheaper way to go than to order a shortblock from DSS or someone of the like. Guaranteed you'd make more power for the money than the OHC super-pooper-charged motor. And still be emissions compliant.
Like I said, I'm not knocking the new cobra motors, but why would you want to spend that much money when you could spend less, be faster, be more reliable and sound sooooooooooooooo much better? Dump the oil on that 4.6 liter and run around the block (seriously, don't) Dump the oil in a 302 and do the same, for miles and miles if properly built.
Best pushrods i've had the pleasure to build:
351 Cleveland (sweeeeeeet)
302-307 (extremely strong)
426 Hemi (just... wow)
327 Chevy (my all time fave, absolute perfect specimen of awesomeness)
rice_eater
04-23-2006, 02:25 AM
Simply put, OHC engines rev higher and faster than pushrod engines, with all other variables being equal. So an OHC engine can be safely revved higher than an pushrod motor of equal valvetrain specks (lift, duration, valve size/weight, etc...), meaning it has the potential to be tuned for more high rpm HP. Granted, it is more involved than a pushrod setup, but so is fuel injection when compared to carbs... Pros vs Cons can be argued all day, there are just many different ways to make power. If you've noticed, GM seems to be against OHC all together, and it actually worked out for them (for once... LOL) with the ZO6 Vette. On the otherhand Porsche has been running OHC engines forever, and just recently have built an engine that puts out the most HP per Liter to date of any OEM N/A engine. (the 911 GT3, i believe, dont recall exact specs)
Personally, the reason i'm partial to the 4.6L engine is a dream i have to drop one in a Ranger some day. Sure, 302 swaps have been done since the Ranger came out, but with a carburated engine you usually get that oldschool carburated smell in the exhaust, along with the lopey idle if you step up to a bigger cam. (fuel injected OHC engines seem to idle smoother with larger cams) Delightful, but a dead givaway the engine is not stock on a newer vehicle. I've always wanted to build a sleeper Ranger with the 4.6 and supercharger, and run a quieter exhaust for the full effect. It would appear just a V6 Ranger with aftermarket exhaust and rims (and little cobra emblems on the fenders and tailgate) No one would have any clue why that regular cab, stepside Ranger just smoked them... (the blower whine may give it away though :D )
bjsstang03
04-24-2006, 12:13 AM
he got the mexican block because it can handle more power. thicker cylinder walls than the stock 302 ford came out with in the 5.0L engines.
-VENOM-
05-09-2006, 04:29 PM
Watch this video faster than you (http://www.mustangboards.com/videos/5243-stangs-vs-srt4s.html?highlight=srt4) . Now there will always be someone faster than you unless you have a 700hp car then chances get slimmer. Dont drive around thinking you have the fastest Car then you will not set yourself up for disappointment. The fastest car will be the one with the deepest pocket.
SamCarroll
05-09-2006, 04:43 PM
well i got beat up by a Acura Integra....an older one N/A
i held the boost then my foot twitched, lost the boost and the light changed. Then i jammed third...PISSED ME OFF :VHOT:
Ninja-Matic
05-09-2006, 07:59 PM
Watch this video faster than you (http://www.mustangboards.com/videos/5243-stangs-vs-srt4s.html?highlight=srt4) . Now there will always be someone faster than you unless you have a 700hp car then chances get slimmer. Dont drive around thinking you have the fastest Car then you will not set yourself up for disappointment. The fastest car will be the one with the deepest pocket.No doubt. I just missed the fact that he was in a Cobra, lol. If I woulda caught that a second earlier, I just woulda pulled over and let him by. :D
rice_eater
05-09-2006, 10:57 PM
The fastest car will be the one with the deepest pocket.
very, very true.... Its not really about smarts anymore, you dont need to know a lick about cars to have a fast one. All you need is cash...
elchicoyes
05-10-2006, 06:36 AM
he got the mexican block because it can handle more power. thicker cylinder walls than the stock 302 ford came out with in the 5.0L engines.
Yeah...and it mexican...ARRIVA!...now where's my corona?
DodgeNeonES
05-10-2006, 09:33 PM
what is the matter with 15 year olds (LOL)
bjsstang03
05-11-2006, 12:25 AM
first off i didnt say i was "fast". nice video by the way. (all the mustangs won :D ) :thatfunny
n-gin
06-06-2006, 11:14 AM
I'm not ashamed or nuffin, but I'd have no chance against a Cobra STOCK much less whatever the hell he had done to it.
Next time I shall pay attention to the damned hood! I shall now go sit in the corner for a while, dunce hat and all. :banghead:
- Ninja
I'll help, Here is the smily.
I thought these cars were faster then the cobras??
