Challenger Performance Numbers

[fmdog44]

Per Edmunds.com
425 HP
6.1 litre
0-60 mph in 4.5 sec.
1/4 mi. time is 13.0
top speed is 174

[ScotWithOne_t]

a 13 second 1/4 mile with 425 is, IMO, pathetic. The car must a total pig. LS1 Camaros get low 13s with 100 less hp. I guess those number are just an estimate though.

[Skiman94]

You have a point. It seems that Mother Mopar products for the last 10 years are extremely heavy and need a serious diet. The freakin' thing weighs over 4000 lbs! The Camaros and Trans-Ams only weigh in somewhere between 3200 and 3400 lbs. Simple physics: light weight, faster car.

[fmdog44]

Sorry cowboys, but if anyone here believes mopar will bring back this classic only to have it run like a snail should hold off until the facts (FACTS) are in. remember we are talking about a company that has a JEEP that will quarter mile in less than 14 seconds!

[ScotWithOne_t]

Sorry cowboys, but if anyone here believes mopar will bring back this classic only to have it run like a snail should hold off until the facts (FACTS) are in. remember we are talking about a company that has a JEEP that will quarter mile in less than 14 seconds!

From the facts we have now, all we can do is speculate. From everything I have heard and read about this car, it will be over 4000 lbs. It is supposedly based on a stretched 300/Charger platform, so I don't doubt it's portliness for a second. I'm not sure what the 6.1 Hemi is putting to the ground in the other SRT-8's, but if it is rated like the 5.7, then we would be looking at around 340-360rwhp (if someone has dyno numbers from an SRT-8 please correct me if I'm wrong).
By comparison, the '05+ GTO has a rated 400hp (supposedly around 340-350 rear wheel hp) and weighs 3700-3800 lbs. These cars have been known to run low 13's and occasionally break into the high 12's. Same goes for the '03-'04 Cobras....370-ish rwhp, 3800lbs, high 12.7's-13.1's. My guess is this is very close to what the new Challenger will be due to it's weight. I wouldn't consider low 13's to be "running like a snail" anyways though.

The Jeep has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Chevy makes a Trailblazer SS that runs high 13's also...that's beside the point.

Either way, the new Challenger, GTO, new Camaro, and SRT-anything are likely to get completely assraped by the GT500 anyway. ;)

Edited for spelling. ;) :p

[fmdog44]

From the fact we have now, all we can do is speculate. From everything I have heard and read about this car, it will be over 4000 lbs. It is supposedly based on a stretched 300/charger platform, so I don't doubt it's portliness for a second. I'm not sure what the 6.1 Hemi is putting to the ground in the other SRT-8's, but if it is rated like the 5.7, then we would be looking at around 340-360rwhp (if somone has dyno numbers from an SRT-8 please correct me if I'm wrong).
By comparrision, the '05+ GTO has a rated 400hp (supposedly around 340-350 rear wheel hp) and weighs 3700-3800 lbs. These cars have been known to run low 13's and occasionally break into the high 12's. Same goes for the '03-'04 Cobras....370-ish rwhp, 3800lbs, high 12.7's-13.1's. My guess is this is very close to what the new Challenger will be due to it's wieght. I wouldn't consider low 13's to be "running like a snail" anyways thouhg.

The Jeep has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Chevy makes a Trailblazer SS tha runs high 13's also...that's beside the point.

Either way, the new Challenger, GTO, new Camaro, and SRT-anything are likely to get completely assraped by the GT500 anyway. ;)
Check your "SPELLCHECK"

[psm4nh3]

Not to start a flame or anything, but I have to disagree with the weight listed above for a Trans Am. Mine weighs in at 3725 (less driver). The car pulled 304.9 hp at the rear wheels on a chassis dyno. The best time I have logged in the car at the strip was a 13.17 @ 106.7 mph (bone stock except for K & N filter). If the new Challenger can put down 360 - 370 hp to the rear wheels, weigh in at around 4,000 lbs, then the way I see it, a high 12 second pass should be within reach. Keep in mind that these heavy cars can run quick, you just have to learn how to launch them and keep the tires from hazing!!

[MagRT]

hey ford boys leave the forum go and buy a stang or a LS1. Don't bi#ch and moan until you try it.!!!!

[J.W.]

or maybe mopar is sand-bagging a little, why show your guns before the war? I do believe companys have under-rated cars for a long time......just a thought. I will still buy one anyways...

[fmdog44]

These exact numbers were repeated this past weekend on an auto show program on TV. The date for release is 2008. It was also said on this show by one of the CEO's of GM they would have to be "brain dead" not to produce the Camaro altho it is still not official. Apparently the guy that fired up all the new concepts at Chrysler has jumped ship to Chevrolet. GM was said to be losing $20,000,000 a day; that's twenty million each day

[J.W.]

ya GM needs to worry about pulling themselves out of thier finacial woes before thinking about produceing or even makeing concept cars.

[ScotWithOne_t]

hey ford boys leave the forum go and buy a stang or a LS1. Don't bi#ch and moan until you try it.!!!!
:thatfunny: Dude...Don't get sand in you vagina over a car that's not even out yet.
I'm not bitching. I'm just saying that 13.0 from a 425hp car is not that great. Obviously these are preproduciton estimations, so take them with a grain of salt. But considering that this car will be a pig, I don't doubt it will be slower than it should be. I've stated many times that I think this car is going to be awesome (provided they don't f-up the producion version), but Dodge needs to learn how to make a car that doesn't weigh 4,000+ lbs.

[slammedram98]

i heard something about a 392 hemi goin into these things pushin 510 horses

[sandiegohemi]

:thatfunny: Dude...Don't get sand in you vagina over a car that's not even out yet.
I'm not bitching. I'm just saying that 13.0 from a 425hp car is not that great. Obviously these are preproduciton estimations, so take them with a grain of salt. But considering that this car will be a pig, I don't doubt it will be slower than it should be. I've stated many times that I think this car is going to be awesome (provided they don't f-up the producion version), but Dodge needs to learn how to make a car that doesn't weigh 4,000+ lbs.

You talking crap about the 2008 Challenger is almost as funny as your Avatar - except your 89 Rustang probably has a better shot at 150+ then your accuracy pertaining to the Challenger's performance.

[fmdog44]

According to another auto show I saw this past weekend Ford has dropped the SVT division but are denying it. I am going to assume the "SVT" division is responsible for all of their performance vehicles. The narrator went on to say Ford is taking a huge gamble by doing this and concentrating on high gas mileage vehicles instead. So does this mean adios to high performance Mustangs?? We shall see.

[05Dakota]

I thought or heard the same thing about SVT but I think they are planning a new F150?? I know this is a dodge forum and Im all mopar but here is that SVT concept:

http://www.svt.ford.com/conceptLabLightning.asp

[fmdog44]

They are scheduled for a June delivery this year. See this month's Truck Trend magazine.. It is not the Lightning. It is a hi performance F150. Looks good but it is no threat to the Lightnings performance stats.

[Moparfreak1980]

those numbers sound pretty good to me the original 426 HEMI ran around the same stock in the Challenger and Cuda

[ScotWithOne_t]

You talking crap about the 2008 Challenger is almost as funny as your Avatar - except your 89 Rustang probably has a better shot at 150+ then your accuracy pertaining to the Challenger's performance.

:huh:
Where was I talking crap about the Challenger? I have nothing but praise and have been drooling over this car ever since I saw the first concept sketches. But you brand loyal fanboys will ignore everything good I have ever said about it and focus on the one complaint I have, which is that it is overweight. Anyways...what makes you so sure of your own knowledge about the Challenger's performance? Since you claim that my statements were innacurate, you MUST have some inside information and hard facts that nobody else has yet, right? Furthermore, I never even made any claims to performance...I was merely commenting on numbers that somone else posted.
As for my avatar; no my car has never seen 150mph. That is what people down here on Earth who don't have a stick up our ass like to call a joke. But yeah, taking cheap shots at the car I own (which BTW, is a 94, not and 89...not sure where you got that from) just proves that you have nothing to say.

[ScotWithOne_t]

those numbers sound pretty good to me the original 426 HEMI ran around the same stock in the Challenger and Cuda

Yes, but I think the original Challenger/Cuda were limited by the crappy, skinny
tires they had at the time. With modern tires they are significantly faster.

13.0 is pretty damn fast, it's just a shame that it takes 425hp to do it.

[DroolsForHemi]

From the facts we have now, all we can do is speculate. From everything I have heard and read about this car, it will be over 4000 lbs. It is supposedly based on a stretched 300/Charger platform, so I don't doubt it's portliness for a second.


I do believe that you are mistaken sir. Every article that I've read about the Challenger, (Every one i can get my hands on) says that it is actually shorter than the 300/Charger platform. I can't give the exact specs but I think its actually about 6 in. shorter. And is called the LY platform.

[ScotWithOne_t]

hmmm. I've read something about it being longer. Maybe it has a longer wheelbase, but is shorter overall? Or maybe the weelbase is 6" shorter, but the car is overall longer. I can't remember now.

[6stringer]

I like the direction that mopar has been taking recently and the new challenger concept is no different. However, there are two main problems plaguing the vehicles performance numbers. The first one in weight, as was mentioned earlier. But then again, mopars have traditionally been heavier than their GM and Ford counterparts. The bigger problem I see is their drivetrain losses. I have yet to see a chrysler electronic controlled transmission that is both durable and efficient enough for a performance vehicle. The overall drivetrain eats up so much of the power produced by the engine that you're left with 425 HP motors that are running 13s in the 1/4 mile. It's really a shame.

[ScotWithOne_t]

I like the direction that mopar has been taking recently and the new challenger concept is no different. However, there are two main problems plaguing the vehicles performance numbers. The first one in weight, as was mentioned earlier. But then again, mopars have traditionally been heavier than their GM and Ford counterparts. The bigger problem I see is their drivetrain losses. I have yet to see a chrysler electronic controlled transmission that is both durable and efficient enough for a performance vehicle. The overall drivetrain eats up so much of the power produced by the engine that you're left with 425 HP motors that are running 13s in the 1/4 mile. It's really a shame.

If the M6 they use for it is a Borg Warner T56, then drivetrain loss won't be bad at all.

[J.W.]

thats why you get a 6spd...

[sandiegohemi]

:huh:
Where was I talking crap about the Challenger? I have nothing but praise and have been drooling over this car ever since I saw the first concept sketches. But you brand loyal fanboys will ignore everything good I have ever said about it and focus on the one complaint I have, which is that it is overweight. Anyways...what makes you so sure of your own knowledge about the Challenger's performance? Since you claim that my statements were innacurate, you MUST have some inside information and hard facts that nobody else has yet, right? Furthermore, I never even made any claims to performance...I was merely commenting on numbers that somone else posted.
As for my avatar; no my car has never seen 150mph. That is what people down here on Earth who don't have a stick up our ass like to call a joke. But yeah, taking cheap shots at the car I own (which BTW, is a 94, not and 89...not sure where you got that from) just proves that you have nothing to say.

So, I MUST have insider information, huh? I never claimed that, but you seem to know how "gutless" the Challenger would be, because you have insider information on weight and power :)

Don't take stuff so seriously, my point was that you have as much of a chance as being right, as I do - which is to say, we are taking shots in the dark.

Ford already tipped their hand with the GT500 - which was a bad move. It gives GM and Chrysler time - about 2 years in fact, to make their cars faster. Ford shot themselves in the foot on that one, but they have been doing that a lot lately (6.0L Powerstroke fiasco, new F150's with the speed of a land yacht, the cancelling of SVT and the Ford GT, "junk" rated credit status, laying off employees, etc, etc).

I find it funny, when people (not just you), already claim some cars are better than others when the first one hasn't rolled off the assembly line. YES, the GT500 Mustang looks great from the previews, but so does the Challenger and Camaro. Who knows, Chrysler could stuff the 6.4 crate Hemi (albeit tuned to meet emissions) into the new Challenger. 500 hp is a lot and helps with the power to weight ratio. Is that insider information I just gave? Of course not. But like you, I'm taking a random stab in the dark at a car that hasn't rolled off the assembly line yet ;)

[DroolsForHemi]

hmmm. I've read something about it being longer. Maybe it has a longer wheelbase, but is shorter overall? Or maybe the weelbase is 6" shorter, but the car is overall longer. I can't remember now.


I do believe it is the latter.

[srm-rt]

I do believe it is the latter.


The concept car has a 116 inch wheelbase, while the other LXs use a 120 inch wheelbase; but it’s a custom-made, carbon-fiber-bodied one-off concept car.

[Moparfreak1980]

i can't see it being that much heavier then the mustangs which it is ment to compete with but it could be closer to the gto at the same time which is probaly what gm has based the camaro from

[Bighorn345]

To sum up....Challenger engines include:
base v6: 210hp
5.7 Hemi: 345hp
6.1 Hemi: 425hp
6.4 392ci: 510hp

Is that 6.4 a further bored out hemi or not? Sounds like it is.

[J.W.]

i believe the 392 is a hemi..or atleast thats what they call it (the 5.7 isnt a real hemi). But if they offer the motors like listed above...i would buy one.

[Hemi31]

I just read this whole thread and it's pretty funny.First the fact that you guys are getting this intense over an article on a car not even out yet,and not for two more years.Second ,the LY platform is shorter than the LX and will be lighter,not very much,but a little.And last,I have seen LX bodied SRT's hit in the 12.7's bone stock,I don't think that 12.5's for a 6.1 six speed Challenger should be too difficult.

[MulesHemi]

yes the 6.4 is a further bored hemi but also further reinforced to handle the horsepower
And whos to say what is and is not a hemi? no its not an original hemi, its redesigned and had to be in order to meet emissions and fuel efficiency standards

[Prism]

That 6.4L is a stroked version of the 6.1L. It actually makes more than 510hp too. I wish I can remember what hot rod or car craft magazine I read that had the article in it but one of the two actually got a hold of the new 6.4L crate motors and tested it on a dyno and it made about 560hp. It's underated just like a bunch of other performance motors are that the big 3 make.

Prism

[DroolsForHemi]

I agree that it needs to be slimmed down but i want one wether they do that or not. As long as they don't take away the option for a manual. I would be heartbroken.

[MulesHemi]

i wouldnt put to much faith behind the 6.4 being put in there, thats viper territory

[Solar_Ram]

here's my crystal ball prediction, I don't rely on a magazine to tell the tale of a concept car vs. production car
- yes a 6.4 liter option
- yes, a little heavier and built all around better than Ford or Chevy
- Faster and Cheaper than Ford or Chevy in relation to comparing apples and oranges,
- DC will control the computer again, but aftermarket will find a way to void our warrantees.

[MulesHemi]

ok, i like your predections, but ford n chevy what? mustang and gto? i jus want a dodge that will whoop on those damn firebird trans ams with there ram air hoods, they are damn good looking though Imo

[antman182]

i heard that the wheels and tires they put on the challenger concept are so big that they rub when you really try getting on it. the driver couldnt run that car flat out without the tires rubbing so the ET's would be less than their potential. i'd like to see them throw on some nice slicks and run the car again

[J.W.]

The new line of hemi's arent real hemis. They are just called hemis for marketing. There combustion chambers are not hemispherical.....atleast the "mighty" 5.7L

[antman182]

they are infact hemis. not exactly the sme design as from the 60's but dodge did a lot of research, they even looked at the porsche's flat 6 when designing it. it had to be different for emissions purposes and they still flow pretty darn good compared to the originals. the problem with them is that DC has the computers locked up so tight that we havnt really seen their true potential

[MulesHemi]

yeah what he said!!, and if i may, why would you trade a ram for a turd?

[stratastic]

To sum up....Challenger engines include:
base v6: 210hp
5.7 Hemi: 345hp
6.1 Hemi: 425hp
6.4 392ci: 510hp

Is that 6.4 a further bored out hemi or not? Sounds like it is.

i read in the transportation section of our chicago tribune that there will be a optional 540 hp crate engine

[1970_Challenger]

You talking crap about the 2008 Challenger is almost as funny as your Avatar - except your 89 Rustang probably has a better shot at 150+ then your accuracy pertaining to the Challenger's performance.
Ok ppl...lets all get along. lol. The Facts may not turn out the way we want them too but you gotta think...it is still a mopar, and the new challenger will probably perform better than the camaro that is supposed to come out in 2009. Ya never know...I just cant wait to get behind the wheel of the new challenger.

[zakko69]

i wouldnt put to much faith behind the 6.4 being put in there, thats viper territory
Yes, it is getting into Viper territory, but chevy just came out with the new vette z06 making around 500 horsepower, which means it should be getting close for Dodge to up the Viper's power. It has happened 3 times with the Viper so far, chevy gets closer, Dodge ups the game. Plus what an embarrassment if Dodge's #2 car makes almost, or more power than chevys #1!
Wishful thinking like always though...

[MulesHemi]

yea and now the new viper makes 600 hp so who knows, hmmmm it would be awesome to have a 392 hemi in a challenger, id be expecting to pay about 60k for one though, ouch

[05whitehemi]

Ya but also the gt 500 has a supercharger. So put a s-charger on a callenger and you are doing 11s and then tune it and put slicks on it then youll have 10s(with weight reduction too).

[donsrt4]

look at dodges vehicles, all underated. the gt500??? come on now, they are already sold according to SPEED(channel). look at the price difference $80,000 to $36,000 to $40,000. huge difference. lets keep this in the ball park. you want to brag about your p.o.s. mustangs, put your $80,000 car up against the $80,000(maybe slightly higher lol) viper. you would get your ass handed to you. thanks, but no thanks, keep your mustangs. its like buying a glorified turd. now lets talk about the beauty of the challenger, ahhhh. i cant wait. its not the power, its not the roar, but its the shapes and rarity. enough said.