MOPAR Performance Exhaust Installed P4510607

[dr. who]

Well, the install of the MOPAR P4510607 exhaust went as easy as expected... The instructions were clear and concise... They even state that the kit can be used on the 3.7, 4.7 and 5.7 engines, although I don't know how it would sound behind a V6...

I did the Exhaust swap on the ground thanks to the Durango's ground clearance... :D The only tools you'll need are a 15mm med depth or longer 6-point socket, rachet, mechanic's gloves, and torque wrench (35 ft-lbs). The whole install and cleanup took about 45 minutes - I had to do a little tweaking to get the tips perfectly positioned, but that's to be expected and not very difficult.

The results are fantastic... The exhaust has a proper mellow V-8 tone and is not too loud inside the truck - even with the windows down... The 1900 RPM exhaust drone is totally gone and I shifted to first to do an RPM sweep to see if there were any new nodes, but nothing jumped out at me... As I drive it more, I'll update on if it gets louder or if it starts to get bothersome.

The P4510607 Exhaust kit is definitely worth it... I never saw the MOPAR accessory exhaust system (82209194), so I can't comment on it... I'm guessing it's a single tip or not as loud or something... there is a difference in price, too - $569 (accessory) vs. $775 (MPP)....

I have two avi's to share for your listening pleasure.... See the next post...

P.S. Don't flame me because my Durango is dirty... I know it's dirty... :)

[dr. who]

Here are the avi's.. Enjoy.........

TURN IT UP !!!!

These were taken with a digital still camera in video mode.

[biged6464]

nice setup!! i'm really a fan of the tips you got on that thing...look slick!! i wonder if this system is made by Borla like the other Mopar kits are??..the shape of the tips make me think it is, i forgot the name but that tip style is patented by Borla....the heavy price point would support that also...my Flowmaster American Thunder kit was around $330...

[finucane]

Dr. Who.............
Write me a prescription!
That's really sweet.
Lookin Good!

[finucane]

Did some homework...........
Borla it is!

[pennstate95]

Hey...wash your car. It's filthy... :rck:

Sorry...I just had to do that.

[SportzRam989]

Lmao I love the second clip......Lol watch in the bumper you can see him push record.........and run into the car......then when hes done revving it he runs back and presses stop........lol classic

[BiIIy_B0b]

looks good :rck:

[JTquint]

Hey Doc..., I bet your neighbors think your goofy tak'in pics of your pipes in your driveway.

[SportzRam989]

Lol Yea imagine watchign him do it must have been kinda funny to watch......unles they knew what he was doin lol.......See someone put a camera down hit abutton run into the car........jump out and hit the button again lol

[biged6464]

my neighbors already think i'm mental based on the amount of time i spend outside working/playing with the D....that includes digital camera sessions that last as long as some fashion photo shoots...speaking of which, i owe the group some pics still of the freshly shaved D!!

[dodgeatheart]

Lmao I love the second clip......Lol watch in the bumper you can see him push record.........and run into the car......then when hes done revving it he runs back and presses stop........lol classic

That was funny :) Thanks for the pics and vids! It sounds and looks great!

[dr. who]

Yes, as you guys figured out, it's a MOPAR system built by Borla. It has gotten a tad bit louder since yesterday and about 100 miles.... I guess the muffler packing material is getting compressed a little..

My neighbors already know I'm nuts with my car/truck projects rolling in and out... BUT I did do them a favor and shot the video at a nearby office bldg that was vacant at 9:00 Saturday morning.... hehe

They don't call it amateur video for nothing... Yeah you can see me in the reflection... I usually work solo, so I didn't have a partner in crime to shoot video or rev the engine...

[finucane]

my neighbors already think I'm mental based on the amount of time i spend outside working/playing with the D....that includes digital camera sessions that last as long as some fashion photo shoots...speaking of which, i owe the group some pics still of the freshly shaved D!!

Yes you do biged, hope you got the painting done to your satisfaction......

Dr. who, I think we all had to find something to pick on ya about! After all, your the first post with a Mopar system....
Again, looks and sounds great.
Keep me informed on how much louder it gets!!! Like I have said as opposed to some of you guy's, I have to live with the little woman!

I'm getting as bad as biged was with the badge/debadge thing.......... He finally worked it out so I am sure I can do the same!

[dr. who]

Dr. who, I think we all had to find something to pick on ya about! After all, your the first post with a Mopar system....
Again, looks and sounds great.

Keep me informed on how much louder it gets!!! Like I have said as opposed to some of you guy's, I have to live with the little woman!

Picking on the new guy, huh ? hehe....

My wife is sensitive to loud cars, too.... She noticed the difference for sure, but prefers the V-8 rumble to the 1900 RPM drone any day....

I had finally trained myself to keep the revs below 2000 to 2500 RPM or so, but with the truck sounding this good, I can't seem to do that anymore. :D

[SportzRam989]

Yea give your truck another 500miles......and that exhaust is really gonna open up......and sound 5xHotter than it does now......lol then u can make another video so we can hear how it sounds :)

[rlippert]

Well done!!! Can you confirm for me:

1. I assume no warranty issues, given it is a Mopar accessory
2. Did it solve the TSB "drone" issue with the stock setup
3. Did you mount before or after the TSB modifications

I have a new Durango with the 5.7 and have the drone issue. They have ordered the parts for me, but perhaps I should leave it un-TSB'd to make adding this piece of heaven easier!!

Thanks for the pioneering and help!!!

[rlippert]

Sorry, I re-read your post and saw it did eliminate the drone...no need to answer that again....!

[Monkey Bus]

So, how's it sounding by now?
Any louder yet?

I am leaning toward this, but I don't want the kids to gripe about not being able to hear the DVD player.

[dr. who]

So, how's it sounding by now?
Any louder yet?

I am leaning toward this, but I don't want the kids to gripe about not being able to hear the DVD player.

My wife has been driving it for the last two days while I'm downstate and she hasn't complained. I just went out to move it and it's still nice and mellow.

Still too few miles to tell.... Let my wife drive it (best critic) for the rest of the week.... She's taking a road trip tonite thru Friday....

So far I think its a real winner. The annoying 1900RPM/75mph drone is totally gone. No noise or vibration... It rocks.

[dr. who]

Well done!!! Can you confirm for me:

1. I assume no warranty issues, given it is a Mopar accessory
2. Did it solve the TSB "drone" issue with the stock setup
3. Did you mount before or after the TSB modifications

I have a new Durango with the 5.7 and have the drone issue. They have ordered the parts for me, but perhaps I should leave it un-TSB'd to make adding this piece of heaven easier!!

Thanks for the pioneering and help!!!

1. The MOPAR accessory system will probably have an accessory warranty. The MOPAR Performance system I assume (but could be wrong) will have the performance parts warranty - i.e. no warranty.

2. It got rid of 100% of the drone - both vibration AND noise. No noticed drones throughout the RPM range.

3. I had no TSB mods done to my truck... I don't feel like hacking off hangers and drilling/screwing into my frame - rust source.

-Doc

[Monkey Bus]

So, how does it sound at 75 then? Nice and mellow? Can you even really tell at that speed/RPM from inside?

[dr. who]

So, how does it sound at 75 then? Nice and mellow? Can you even really tell at that speed/RPM from inside?

I just listened to my wife pull out of the driveway and up the hill.... It's really quiet and mellow... Much more quiet than I thought it would be.... I was expecting more gurgle and snap.... It's really got a mellow tone. You know it's there, but your neighbors won't give you the finger.

75MPH is whisper quiet.... Before the MPP exhaust, I could only cruise below 73 MPH or above 77MPH. Anything in-between and the drone was deafening. Now, the truck sounds great when you accelerate - above 2500 RPM it rumbles nicely, bur when you cruise below 2500 RPM, it is really mellow.

I have the 3.55 FDR, if you have the 3.92 FDR, the drone will be at a lower speed on the highway once the torque converter locks up.

[SportzRam989]

Doesnt matter what kind of exhaust you put on a car/truck it wont void the warranty

[dr. who]

Doesnt matter what kind of exhaust you put on a car/truck it wont void the warranty

Yeah man.. no doubt about that, but the parts of the exhaust system themselves may or may not be warranteed........

[SportzRam989]

Yeah man.. no doubt about that, but the parts of the exhaust system themselves may or may not be warranteed........

Ditto

:crazy:

[rlippert]

Thanks for the response.... I need to get this and do my friend with the Yukon/Denali one better!!!

[Monkey Bus]

Thanks for the response.... I need to get this and do my friend with the Yukon/Denali one better!!!


Uh....you already did him one better when you bought your Durango :D

(Even Car and Driver said so in it's "Big SUV Roundup" October, I think)

[biggie27]

does anyone know where I can get this online since the dodge dealer here doesnt realy carry any mopar parts

[dr. who]

ANY Chrysler dealer can order Mopar parts...

Tell them you want part number P4510607 (MOPAR perf. part)

They might ask for payment right away depending on if they know you or not.

It's as easy as that.

But if you really want to order online, go here: www.moparsupercenter.com

[dr. who]

OK, so the report from my wife when I asked her what she thought of the exhaust system:

"I definitely notice the rumble more. I don't hear that vibration like before."

She didn't say "TAKE THAT FOKKING EXHAUST OFF. IT'S TOO G__D__M LOUD !!"

So I consider that acceptable by normal persons standards... My wife is pretty picky.

Deep down inside, I think she likes the exhaust but just won't tell me so she can hang the louder exhaust over my head some day.... hehehe

-Doc

[finucane]

Deep down inside, I think she likes the exhaust but just won't tell me so she can hang the louder exhaust over my head some day.... hehehe

-Doc


I think your onto something there Doc.........
I is an inbred thing!

[walt_slt_hemi]

I know this is a totally subjective question, but do you think the Mopar Performance exhaust is "significantly" louder inside the cabin. The only reason being, that I tend to do long trips to Vermont with the kids (ages 3 & 7) from NY which is a good 7-8 hour drive and am not sure if the kids would get annoyed with a constant "humming" inside the cabin from the exhaust. For instance, without the radio or dvd on, would it be too loud for me to talk to someone in the 3rd row seat??? Before I lay down almost $800 at the stealership - I just want to cover all my bases first. Does anyone know if it is quieter than the magnaflow? at WOT? at highway speeds?

Any owners with 1st hand experience, I would appreciate any advice.

Walt

[jgt04ltd]

I know this is a totally subjective question, but do you think the Mopar Performance exhaust is "significantly" louder inside the cabin. The only reason being, that I tend to do long trips to Vermont with the kids (ages 3 & 7) from NY which is a good 7-8 hour drive and am not sure if the kids would get annoyed with a constant "humming" inside the cabin from the exhaust. For instance, without the radio or dvd on, would it be too loud for me to talk to someone in the 3rd row seat??? Before I lay down almost $800 at the stealership - I just want to cover all my bases first. Does anyone know if it is quieter than the magnaflow? at WOT? at highway speeds?

Any owners with 1st hand experience, I would appreciate any advice.

Walt

I'd be interested in hearing about this, too. I have the Flowmaster kit on mine right now, and while its not a terribly aggressive system, and I love the sound of it, its pretty noisy inside the cabin. I have reports from kids that its "really noisy" in the 3rd seat. I have a feeling after one lengthy road trip, I'm going to get some serious pressure to go back to stock, or at least something quieter

[dr. who]

I'll be as descriptive as I can be..

If you are at more than 25% throttle and over 2500 RPM, the MPP Exhaust System is what I would call significantly louder inside the car. Loud enough that if you were accelerating onto the highway, you'd have to raise your voice to be heard.

If you are cruising at ~2000RPMs and low throttle (like on cruise control) then the exhaust is very quiet.... Almost as quiet as stock... It's MUCH quieter than stock at that mysterious 1900 RPM.... No more drone.

The best test would be to get a ride in a Durango with the system to see if it meets your limits (inside and out)... I'm in the Philly area if you want a ride...

So far (knock on wood) the wife doesn't hate it enough for me to go back to stock. She just finished a 1200 mile round trip road trip....

[SportzRam989]

You only hear most exhaust at when acelerating.......and a littl rumble at IDLE so while ur driving on the highway, i doubt you will really hear it unless your accelerating. My MagnaFlow Cat back is loudest at 2,200Rpms, and significantly loud at higher RPM's but the engine overcomes the sound of the exhaust, plus a nice little hum of the exhaust will probbaly put them to sleep :)

[walt_slt_hemi]

I appreciate the feedback guys ... i think that definitely helps me make my decision a little easier. I mean, obviously I like the performance aspect of the muffler, but probably love the sound even more! :rck: So basically, when I get on it - I hear it (which is what I want), but when I am crusiing on the highway on road trips to VT and such, it is about as loud as stock or slightly louder.

By the way, dr. who do you have an intake, and which one do you have in combination with the MPP? Any noticeable torque gains or increased MPG like some people report? Not sure of the MPG, since there are so many variables that go into that, but just thought I'd ask.

Thanks again for your opinions again guys, hopefully I'll be "rumbling" down the road like the rest of your guys with free flowing exhaust systems! :cool:

[dr. who]

No Problem, Walt... Glad we could help...

Everything is stock on my truck except for the exhaust... An intake would make the engine 'honk' more when on the throttle.

I have to chuckle a little when you guys talk about modding your Durangos for power b/c it's a 5000 lb SUV that you haul your kids around in, not an SRT-4 that you take to the drag strip on the wknds...

But, no, my ass-dyno says no noticeable power increase, and the mpg is the same or worse since I like to hear it on the pipe. :-D

[walt_slt_hemi]

It is pretty funny how a lot of us mod our D like it is a hot rod :thatfunny I guess it is just the modder in me ... I have a Mitsu 3000GT VR-4 with heavy mods, and I just cannot resist doing something to the D. My wife hates my little "hobby", but I buy her some nice jewelry and she forgets all about that things that I splurge on! :D

[biged6464]

you're right about how we mod our SUV's like their 1/4 mile beasts....i for one bought the D strictly for the SUV look...I'm a big guy so I like big trucks....I have no kids, not married but still like the big look of the D....adding big rims, big exhaust, etc...just adds to the number of looks I get!!

[Joe Hemi]

I would love to hear it but I can't since it is a wav file. Wish I could!

[SportzRam989]

www.magnaflow.com they have many files from ricers to trucks, so you have an idea of how your exhaust will sound.

[Joe Hemi]

Thanks!

[dr. who]

I would love to hear it but I can't since it is a wav file. Wish I could!

They are actually .avi's that I renamed so I could upload them.

Try saving the file and renaming it with a .avi extension.

-Doc

[Monkey Bus]

It's actually an AVI...I don't know why they have .wav extensions.

I use OS X, and initially had a problem with them, but after changing the extension to avi, it loaded in WMP just fine.

[dr. who]

It's actually an AVI...I don't know why they have .wav extensions.

b/c my digital camera only records avi's and Dodgetalk forums doesn't allow uploading of avi's, but it does allow uploading of wav's...... So I renamed them to .wav and uploaded them........

-Doc

[mimmo]

Hey also thinking about getting one. have you seen any increase in hp or fuel milage.................................looks awsome...................... :drivingz:

[DurangoLmtd]

:drivingz:
AWESOME... I got the same thing. I picked it up this morning, and the sound is just what I was looking for!

[EUROHEMI]

Hey guys i have got the same exhaust on my 2004 Durango hemi and mine says borla instead of mopar on the resignator. I have had it on about 10000 miles already. It sounds great!!!!!!!

[Flyntgr]

Where can I acquire this mopar system at a discounted price? Thanks.

[JibeHo]

My dealer will take 15% off as a customer, ask yours...

[smollicasr]

Are there any warranty issues?

I ordered an '05 Hemi Limited 3 weeks ago, and would love
to put one of those systems on it when it comes in.

[HemiEd]

No warranty issues, it's a Mopar system that you can have your dealer install if you want.

[smollicasr]

I stopped by the dealer yesterday.

I gave them my list of MOPAR accessories they will need to order for installation on my ordered Durango.

One of the items is the P4510607 exhaust system!!.. BOO-YAH!!

When the Gen. Mgr. saw the exhaust system on the list he gave me the
Tim Taylor grunt!!....He said he loves the sound of the system!!

The sales mgr, and gen mgr checked their sheet and said my truck is built, awaiting delivery!! :rck:

I ordered it 4 weeks ago today!!

:ylsuper:

[smollicasr]

Has anyone seen the 82209194 "Dual" exhaust system?

Know of any pics of the system anywhere??

[DurangoLmtd]

Has anyone seen the 82209194 "Dual" exhaust system?

Know of any pics of the system anywhere??
It is the same as pictured by Dr Who to start this thread. It is dual pipes from the muffler w/ twin tips. I ordered this system and love it. It is the right amount of sound for me.

[evhindenberg]

Does this system fit the 4.7L as well?

[DurangoLmtd]

Does this system fit the 4.7L as well?
82209195 is for the 4.7
82209194 is for the HEMI

you can check them out at http://www.moparsupercenter.com/ it is a lot cheaper here even with shipping than what my dealer could offer after adding in taxes.

[whatup]

I was thinking about installing the MOPAR accessory exhaust system (82209194), it features Dual Exhaust System, 4.7L V8 engines (also available for Hemi for same price); Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System with Dual 4" Chrome Tips with Dodge & Borla logos. There are places selling it for 499.99 now. Does anybody have a review on this (seen, heard)?

[DurangoLmtd]

I was thinking about installing the MOPAR accessory exhaust system (82209194), it features Dual Exhaust System, 4.7L V8 engines (also available for Hemi for same price); Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System with Dual 4" Chrome Tips with Dodge & Borla logos. There are places selling it for 499.99 now. Does anybody have a review on this (seen, heard)?
What kind of review are you looking for? Actual HP numbers? or how it sounds under normal & WOT operations?

Just for clarification.. the 9194 system is for the HEMI, 9195 is for the 4.7

[whatup]

Woops I did post the wrong number. I cut and paste from the above without checking part number. Well, I would like a little of all; looks, sound, hp, MPG increase or decrease. Whatever anyone may have.

[finucane]

When it comes to an exhaust system I can assure you the your mileage will drop..........
CUZ you want to hear it and use it to sound bad. That requires a heaver foot! Not that there is anything wrong with a heavy foot,
Simple fact............

[Big3]

Who is selling this system for $499?????

[JibeHo]

My dealer discounts all Mopar parts 15% for his customers (bought your car there). This part lists for $569 less 15% is $484

[whatup]

http://www.tenaflyjeepmoparparts.com/exapchexsyan1.html

I ordered yesterday. Came to 532.00 after shipping.

[whatup]

What is the name of your dealership. I contacted mine and he said if I can give him a name to verify he will do the same. I might have to cancel my other order. Dealership doesn't charge shipping.

[smollicasr]

Does anyone know how the 82209194 system sounds compared to the Performance P4510607 system?

I am assuming that the Performance system sounds better, and would have less restriction thus improving HP amd MPG?

Any thoughts, comments, information?

[JibeHo]

Charlie's Dodge
Fort Pierce. FL
:gr_patrio

[Big3]

My dealer says the P4510607 lists for $850. Are we talking about the same systems?

[whatup]

No we are talking about the 82209194 or 82209195. This is the Dodge accessorie. According to above post it looks the same. Borla muffler, stainless steel system, 4" tips that have dodge and borla signatures

[whatup]

just called my dealer, 15% off no problem. He wasn't going to. I told him on Dodgetalk.com other users are stating their dealers are giving 15% off. He said " OHHHH! I can match that, didn't want me to put a bad review online of his dealership.

[smollicasr]

No we are talking about the 82209194 or 82209195. This is the Dodge accessorie. According to above post it looks the same. Borla muffler, stainless steel system, 4" tips that have dodge and borla signatures

Has anyone seen a picture of the 82209194 system?

I can't find one anywhere.

Also, has anyone heard a Hemi durango with the 82209194 exhaust on it?

[Big3]

Anyone have any idea what the diff is between the two systems? 82209194 / P4510607

[smollicasr]

I found the following on the Mopar Performance Parts website:

NO PARTS WARRANTY
Mopar Performance parts are sold “as is” unless otherwise noted.
This means that parts sold by Mopar Performance carry no
warranty whatsoever. Implied warranties, such as warranties of
merchantability, are excluded. (An implied warranty of
merchantability means that the part is reasonably fit for the general
purpose for which is was sold). The entire risk as to quality and
performance of such parts is with the buyer. Should such parts
prove defective following their purchase, the buyer and not the
manufacturer, distributor or retailer, assumes the entire cost of all
necessary servicing or repair.
Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep® vehicle and parts warranties are voided if the
vehicle or parts are used for competition. The addition of performance parts
does not by itself void a vehicle’s warranty. However, added performance
parts (parts not originally supplied on the vehicle from the factory) are not
covered by the vehicle’s warranty, and any failure that they may cause is
also not covered by the vehicle’s warranty.
Additionally, certain performance parts may affect the emissions
characteristics of the vehicle. If you install them on the vehicle, and your
vehicle consequently fails a required state or local I/M (inspection and
maintenance) emissions test, including any test required for maintain or
renew your vehicle’s registration, or if your vehicle is subject to an
emissions recall, DaimlerChrysler may not be required to repair your vehicle
under the emissions performance warranty, and you may be required to
remove those parts at your own expense in order to obtain repairs
necessary to pass the I/M test or to perform the recall.

[etj]

Has anyone been able to figure out what the real difference is between the P4510607 system on rdr who's rig and the 82209194 cat back systemother than about $300? It seems one is a Mopar performance part and one is a Dodge part, but they are really both the same Borla components.

[smollicasr]

Has anyone been able to figure out what the real difference is between the P4510607 system on rdr who's rig and the 82209194 cat back systemother than about $300? It seems one is a Mopar performance part and one is a Dodge part, but they are really both the same Borla components.

I'll let everyone know real soon.

My '05 D arrived at the dealer on Monday, and is in getting prepped and all accessories installed, including the 82209194 cat back system.

I'll do my best to get pics and sound bytes up here after I take delivery.

I may not take delivery until early next week though, depending on when they finish the truck, and I can get in to the dealer to do financing.

BOO-YAH!! :rck:

[whatup]

I have seen both and I don't think there is a difference other than price. A neighbor put on the Pxxxxxxx on his D. I ordered the 82209195 (4.7) and they look and sound the exact same. They both from what I have seen are Mopar Performance Exhaust systems. When put into the computer at the dealer it said Mopar, and the box and resonator say Mopar and the paper work that comes with it shows 82209195 Mopar Performance Exhaust, exactly the same as my neighbors that he paid almost $400 more for and has a different part number. Both of course are Borla manufactured. I attached a pic that I took before assembly. By the way don't laugh at what appears to be greese all over it allready. I just had the D undercoated so a little tacky taking the old off. I have a sound clip but didn't come out as good as I would have liked. Will post a new sound clip tomorrow.

:rck:

[Chuck_IV]

Whatup,
How does it sound on the 4.7 compared to stock? I ask because all I've seen is people with Hemis's putting it on. I'm thinking of putting it on my 4.7, but don't want it overly loud, especially with a 1yr, riding in the back.

[Big3]

You should put it on the bike and see how it sounds.

[whatup]

Good idea on the bike :thatfunny

Here is the sound clip. As you can see in the reflection it's my four year old running the camera. Had to edit a bunch out, but you still get the driff.

As far as sound, its a little louder inside, but not annoying. As I posted I have a four year old and a four month old. I wanted it more on the quiet side unless I unleashed the power. My wife is a huge critic to sound and she says its not to loud. I'll set my camera in the 3rd row later and take a drive. The best part is that I don't sound like every Tahoe with flowmaster exhaust. Don't get me wrong I love flowmaster and run it on my street strip car, but I like to be unique when I can.

Had to attach as a wav. It is not a .wav file. You will have to play in media player or like.

[Big3]

Just rename the file to an .avi extension and it should work. Anyway, the Magnaflow on my Hemi sure sounds much different.

[Chuck_IV]

That doesn't sound bad at all on the 4.7. Sounds throaty but not overpowering. I may just have to do it.

[smollicasr]

Sounds nice.

I ordered the 8229194 for my Hemi D.

Waiting for the dealer to finish installing my accessories so I can do
financing and pick it up.

Dr. Who installed the P4510607 performance exhaust and put up a couple
sound clips in the first few posts on this thread if you all want to hear the difference.

I went with the accessory exhaust as opposed to the Performance exhaust for cost and warranty coverage.

:cool:

[JibeHo]

I just picked up my HEMI Durango and the xxxxxx194 MOPAR system. Mine does not have the MOPAR on it like yours. It also has no Borla badgign ether. I intend to install it tomorrow.

[dr. who]

Hey guys....

The exhaust has not gotten any louder with many thousands of miles on it now...

I just noticed the other day that the resonator tips have steel wool material (not fiberglass) in them... Maybe that's the difference btwn performance part and accessory part ???? Who knows ? All I can say is that I'm glad I bought it and it really does sound/look great on this truck... If only they'd do a 6.1L Durango SRT-8... THAT would rule.

Also, I ended up painting the resonator black b/c I thought it looked like crap in stainless from behind - esp. at night.

I heard a rumor that the Durango gets 18" wheels for 2006.... Has anyone else heard this ? Anyone have any pics ?

[Monkey Bus]

So, nobody has examined them side by side or has any other definitive technical info as to what distinguishes the two parts?

Ok, anyone here know someone who works for Borla?

[smollicasr]

I just picked up my HEMI Durango and the xxxxxx194 MOPAR system. Mine does not have the MOPAR on it like yours. It also has no Borla badgign ether. I intend to install it tomorrow.

I picked up my D on Monday.

The 9194 exhaust sounds very nice.

Only problem is they weren't able to get the tips level, and said they've adjusted them all they could.

Any ideas?

I hope to get some pics up as soon as I get time and the D shines!!

[JibeHo]

I picked up my D on Monday.

The 9194 exhaust sounds very nice.

Only problem is they weren't able to get the tips level, and said they've adjusted them all they could.

Any ideas?

I hope to get some pics up as soon as I get time and the D shines!!

All I can do is tell you what I did. My passenger side tip was about 1/2 inch lower the the drivers side. I loosened all clamps, took a stick like a landscape stake and stuck it in between the 2 tail pipes and got them a little past straight. Next my buddy began tightening the clamps starting from the back. This worked for me

[smollicasr]

All I can do is tell you what I did. My passenger side tip was about 1/2 inch lower the the drivers side. I loosened all clamps, took a stick like a landscape stake and stuck it in between the 2 tail pipes and got them a little past straight. Next my buddy began tightening the clamps starting from the back. This worked for me

That sounds like it will work.

I will give it a try.

Thanks.

[dr. who]

That sounds like it will work.

I will give it a try.

Thanks.

Wait a second....

I did that at first, but then found that it overstretched the muffler hangers and caused a vibration within 1000 miles...

You need to make sure the rear resonator inlet tubes are FULLY seated on the muffler outlet tubes.

THEN, bend the rear muffler hangers accordingly to position the tips....

Follow up with thousands of miles of smiles ! :D :cool:

-Doc

[JibeHo]

Thanks Doc, But I got them seated as best as I could first. The Buddy saw this as a posable issue right away and we attacked the two fittings again. This only got is slightly better. Our last try was twising. We will see i have 800 miles on mine so far. Will post is is gets out of whack.

[etj]

Has anyone put thier D on a Dyno after doing an exhaust and intake mod? This may be answerd in another thread.

[Scotia28]

This is a very informative thread. Glad I found it!

[Monkey Bus]

ok, so has ANYONE discovered the difference (other than a couple Benjamins) between the Mopar and Dodge Accessory systems is?

[dr. who]

ok, so has ANYONE discovered the difference (other than a couple Benjamins) between the Mopar and Dodge Accessory systems is?

Nope, not yet :bawl:

[Joe Hemi]

Hey dr. who thanks for the pics, info and videos I'm getting the exhaust put on my Hemi Duango next week. I can't wait!

By the way can you can any video up with you driving by so we can hear the exhaust under acceleration? If you could that would be awesome!!!! :drivingz:

[dr. who]

By the way can you can any video up with you driving by so we can hear the exhaust under acceleration? If you could that would be awesome!!!! :drivingz:

Hmmm, that'd be a neat idea.... Lemme see if I can get that done for you guys.... A little hole-shot recording... hehehe

[Monkey Bus]

Ok, so here's some more confusion regarding the P4510607 VS 82209194 question.
I decided to email my dealer's parts department, and here is the reply I got:

THE P4510607 IS ONLY ONE TIP AND THE 82209194 IS DUAL TIPS. THE P4510607 IS
MORE EXPENSIVE


Huh? Clearly the P4510607 has two tips.

smollicasr, does the 82209194 look and sound the same as the one Dr. Who showed us?

I am really confused now. I like Dr. Who's setup, but if the 82209194 is essentially the same thing minus Mopar logo for a couple Franklins less...

Does anyone have a definitive answer on this yet?

[Joe Hemi]

Hey Hey were the Monkey.. and people say we monkey around.....

I just installed the P451067 on my 04 Durango SLT Hemi just like Dr. Who. From the Muffler there is two pipes connecting to the resonator and from there is two tips. (On the one Side). My assumption is that the 82209194 might have two single tips on opposite sides of the bumper(like my 87 Monte Carlo SS) but since it is a cheaper price maybe it is not made by Borla for Mopar.

Just so you know I love the P451067 set up. More mellow than annoying but when you you put your foot down people will know! :gr_patrio
Ok, so here's some more confusion regarding the P4510607 VS 82209194 question.
I decided to email my dealer's parts department, and here is the reply I got:


Huh? Clearly the P4510607 has two tips.

smollicasr, does the 82209194 look and sound the same as the one Dr. Who showed us?

I am really confused now. I like Dr. Who's setup, but if the 82209194 is essentially the same thing minus Mopar logo for a couple Franklins less...

Does anyone have a definitive answer on this yet?

[Monkey Bus]

Joe, from the other threads here, they both look the same, and from other places on the web, they are both made by Borla.

This is crazy that we can't get more info on the differences between the two.

[Scotia28]

But the 82209194 system has the Borla logo on it, and uses the OEM mounting locations. According to the research I've done anyway. I found my info here (http://www.moparsupercenter.com/Default.aspx?url=PartsDetail.aspx&MakeID=7&PartID=30445).

[Monkey Bus]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying too.

It seems they are the same, but one says Mopar on it and is $200 more.
Is that the Mopar licensing fee? ;)

[Scotia28]

Whoops, I guess I didn't refresh the page often enough to see your post Monkey Bus. You're exactly right, I can't see spending more for the Mopar one.

[Monkey Bus]

This is killing me.

I am going to get one soon, but am dying to know the difference!

Someone out there HAS TO KNOW!!!

I emailed Borla directly, but I doubt they'll even reply.

[Joe Hemi]

More Info from Mopar.com

82209194 Dual Exhaust System, 5.7L V8 HEMI® engines; Stainless Steel Cat-Back Exhaust System with Dual 4" Chrome Tips with Dodge & Borla logos $569.00

This is from their new 2005 Moapr Catalog*

*P4510607 NEW! Cat-Back Exhaust — 4.0" Single Tip, Angle Cut (2003-05 4.7L/5.7L Durango ATX) $755.00

From Borla.com

Application:
2004 Dodge Durango SLT
5.7L 8cyl VIN D AT 5 Spd 4WD

Part # 140102
Price : $999.99



I have no idea. I got mine for cost since my Father-in-law works for Chrysler.

[Monkey Bus]

Now I'm even more confused.

Dr. Who's clearly has dual tips.

And, why is it cheaper to have dual 4 inch tips than a single 4 inch tip?

I guess I'll just order the 9194 then.....

[Rorytek]

I think my fence sitting is over, I'm going to go with the 9194's over the MagnaFlow. I really think dual tips and the Borla name is hard to beat.
So far the best price I can come up with is $520.94 from Supercenter.com but I thought someone posted and even better price from Tenafly @ $499.00
Anything better?

[Joe Hemi]

P4510607 NEW! Cat-Back Exhaust — 4.0" Single Tip, Angle Cut (2003-05 4.7L/5.7L Durango ATX) $755.00

This is what I have but it is not single tip but dual.

[Rorytek]

Update on some pricing for the 82209194 exhaust $455.50 less shipping to me. Gets better every hour.

[Toneaero]

Update on some pricing for the 82209194 exhaust $455.50 less shipping to me. Gets better every hour.

What site offfered it for $455.50? Didnt people mention before that they can get 10% off at dodge and it would be around 450-480 dollars anyways?

[Rorytek]

I called Dave Smith motors, they are known for awesome pricing on Ram Diesel truck on the TDR board.

[Monkey Bus]

Ok, here's the Straight Dope:

From Borla:


The difference between Mopar part #'s P4510607 and 82209194 is minimal.

the P4510607 is louder than the 82209194.
The 82209194 has a 79 decibel limit range, it has the same sound range as you stock system.
The P4510607 is a little louder at around 85 DB.
Both are more aggressive sounding than stock, one is a little quieter.

Other than that they both look and perform the same.

Please let me know if you have any other questions.


P.S. Thanks to the guy from Borla for clearing this up (identity withheld out of respect of privacy).

So there you have it folks.

[Joe Hemi]

Good Work Monkey!!!

[Scotia28]

I'm eventually going to go with the 9194 system. I just have to get my wife's ok first. Which means that....I don't know how I'm going to do it. :banghead:

[Monkey Bus]

I just ordered the 9194 from my local dealer who matched the $499 for me.

Scotia28, sometimes it's better to ask for forgiveness than for permission ;)

[Rorytek]

So did you ask the guy from Borla on why the "P" model is more $$$ than the 9194?

[Monkey Bus]

No, but I would assume it's what I was alluding to in another post about the analogy with certain software licensing..."Enterprise Edition".

In this case, you pay more because it's Mopar Performance, and because it's indeed louder. Some people want the louder, and they pay the premium price for that. Dr. Who is very happy with his system. So, it is indeed a different part. Once is more performance oriented being a bit louder (I would assume it also has less back pressure therefore more performance?).

But the 9194 seems like it will suit my desires--I want the Hemi to sound like a Hemi, not a minivan. I don't really need it to be much louder, just meaner sounding, ya know?

[Rorytek]

You know what would be nice if somebody did back to back dyno runs with both systems.
My guess you would not see any deltas.

9194 will on order soon.

[Joe Hemi]

I'm eventually going to go with the 9194 system. I just have to get my wife's ok first. Which means that....I don't know how I'm going to do it. :banghead:


Hey Scotia 28. I too had to convince my wife and it became a father's day gift for me. Also, I have a 10 month old and she still sleeps in the back when I have to take her around town for her to fall asleep.

Plus I told her that if I got this exhaust I wouldn't have to get the Dodge Ram 1500 Daytona and the next new car is hers. See if that works! :secret2:

[Toneaero]

Hmm...might be worth spending $200 more dollars to make it louder at 85db vs 79db. Decisions decisions.

[etj]

I just got quotes from my local dealer in New Jersey...$270 to install, $755 for the P451... and $569 for the 822... and they were not willing to negotiate. Looks like I will go somewhere else.

[Scotia28]

@ Monkey Bus and Joe Hemi: Thanks for the advice guys, you given me a lot to think about! :rck:

[Joe Hemi]

@ Monkey Bus and Joe Hemi: Thanks for the advice guys, you given me a lot to think about! :rck:

No problem! That's why we come to this forum to help each other out!

[Monkey Bus]

So, hopefully my 9194 will come in before Saturday.... 8)

I'll take some pics/vid of the install too (just for kicks)

[etj]

Guys, just got back from the dealer. They lowered the price on the Dodge part to $512. The parts manager confirmed there is no difference between the two parts. He said all MOPAR performance parts are just simply marked up because they can be.

[Monkey Bus]

etj, he is wrong about the parts being the same.
See my response from Borla.
They are indeed slightly different, but you'd never know it by looking at them.

I'm sure the Parts guy has seen them both, and heard them both, and probably couldn't tell the difference in sound level because it's a peak value--in other words, the Performance part can reach 85dB at peak, whereas the accessory part only reaches 79dB. In order to tell the difference, you'd probably need both trucks at there at the same time, mash the throttle to WOT, and also have sound measuring equipment.

Otherwise, you'd never notice the difference.

[etj]

Monkey Bus,

You are right, but I guess they are so close, no one can tell the difference, even the parts manager. The real question is are 6db worth 200 bucks?

[Monkey Bus]

To some, maybe.....not to me :rck: :drivingz: :ylsuper: :D

[dr. who]

You know what would be nice if somebody did back to back dyno runs with both systems.
My guess you would not see any deltas.

9194 will on order soon.


I bet if you put ANY exhaust system on the 2nd Gen Durango and measure the power on the dyno you will see much of a difference.... The NGC controller operates on a desired torque math model - not an 'as much power as you can make' model.... Guys have discovered this on the SRT-4, too...

Let's face it, we're bolting on noise... hehehe

Kudos to MonkeyBus for getting the scoop... Makes sense even though the price delta is a tad high....

[Rorytek]

So I guess our next hold out is when we get a programmer for our rides.

[Toneaero]

Monkey Bus,

You are right, but I guess they are so close, no one can tell the difference, even the parts manager. The real question is are 6db worth 200 bucks?

6db is actually a huge difference. From what I remember from physics, 1 decibel is ten times the common log of the ratio of two powers. This means that any time an energy (sound) is doubled, the decibels is increased by 3. At 6db more for the mopar version, it would sound significantly louder than the cheaper non performance one. Dont flame if im off on the science of decibels as im just an undergrad in psych I/O at the moment. But you can do more research on decibels and how a change in 10db can be a difference between a firecracker and a rock concert. Just google it.
;)

[Monkey Bus]

You're a bit off there....;)

I think 6dB is effectively doubling the potential difference of the two power sources.

1 dB is widely held to be the smallest difference detectable to human ears.
The Sound Pressure is what decibels measure which is roughly related to loudness, but not quite how you think.

3 dB difference is clearly detectable, and 6 more so, but the two systems are by no means worlds apart, and nowhere near double the loudness of each other.

If you had two trucks in a bay, one with each, and you took turns listening to them, you would certainly tell the difference.

But if you were blindfolded, and made to listen to the trucks randomly, I think only the most astute audiophile would be anywhere near 100% accurate.

That's my .02 on the issue (I ordered the cheaper one :) )

[Scotia28]

Please post pics of the 9194 system once you get it Monkey Bus. I just want to make sure that it looks the same as the other setup, and not like
this setup.

http://www.autotrucktoys.com/durango/OEM-Chrome-Dual-Exhaust-Systems-04-Up-Durango-P7087C1666.aspx

*Edit*
Actually, look at the model number it reads: M82209414. If that's what the 9194 system looks like, then I'm not interested.... :VHOT:

I like having the two outlets side by side, not one on each side of the vehicle....Has anyone been able to confirm that the 9194 system looks the same or not?

[DurangoLmtd]

I have the 9194 system and it looks exactly like the pics on the first page of this thread. It is dual tips on one side (which I think is supposed to be called twin instead of dual).

[Monkey Bus]

We got the confirmation straight from Borla, what more do you guys need ;)

I will confirm with pics and video when I get it (hopefully tomorrow)

[Joe Hemi]

I have the 9194 system and it looks exactly like the pics on the first page of this thread. It is dual tips on one side (which I think is supposed to be called twin instead of dual).


Check out my Avatar pic that is what my 9194 looks like. And like Limited just said above, set up the same as Dr. Whos from the first page.

[Scotia28]

Thanks Fellows! That puts my mind to rest.

[Monkey Bus]

Picked my 9194 system up and it is indeed just as the Borla guy (and Joe Hemi) said---looks just like Dr. Who's.

Installing shortly----will post video when I'm done busting my knuckles and driving around. (Gotta test it out, ya know ;) )

[Monkey Bus]

Hey Dr. Who (or anyone else with the Pxxxx part).

In the directions, there's an Autocad Drawing from Borla Performance Industries...
It lists all the sub-part numbers. Let's compare.

Front Pipe Assy: 53041
Front Muffler Assy: 53042
Rear Muffler Assy: 53043

So, what are they on the sheet that comes with the P system?

[Monkey Bus]

Installing mine right now, but I'm a bit stuck.
Can't seem to get the drivers side resonator tube fully seated on the output tube of the muffler...it was a bear to even get the two tubes to line up, and now I can see there's about a half inch to get because you can look at the slit and see where the inner tube stops--definitely not fully seated. Seems to be binding, and it's 115 degrees outside and I'm losing patience. Sigh....

[Monkey Bus]

Wait a second....

I did that at first, but then found that it overstretched the muffler hangers and caused a vibration within 1000 miles...

You need to make sure the rear resonator inlet tubes are FULLY seated on the muffler outlet tubes.

THEN, bend the rear muffler hangers accordingly to position the tips....

Follow up with thousands of miles of smiles ! :D :cool:

-Doc


You got yours to fully seat all the way down on both sides?
Any tips? I've twisted, pushed, pulled, poked, and prodded, and my driver's side tube wont seat all the way to the stop, which causes the passenger side tailpipe to be pushed lower.

[Joe Hemi]

Installing mine right now, but I'm a bit stuck.
Can't seem to get the drivers side resonator tube fully seated on the output tube of the muffler...it was a bear to even get the two tubes to line up, and now I can see there's about a half inch to get because you can look at the slit and see where the inner tube stops--definitely not fully seated. Seems to be binding, and it's 115 degrees outside and I'm losing patience. Sigh....

Hey monkey, try turning the durango on let the pipes warm up and then take a rubber mallet and hit in place. My father-in-law did that and it worked. We used some WD-40 on the pipes as well.

But letting the pipes get warmed up they just slid on perfect! :flamer:

[Monkey Bus]

Yeah, I gave up for the night.

How long did you let it run for?
It's already bound up tighter than a (insert tasteless metaphor here).

I fear heating it would expand them to the point of being totally unable to move them at all.

I just can't get this thing together without twisting and pushing the resonator toward the hitch which ends up with the passenger side 1 inch too low, and even then, the driver's side pipes between the muffler and resonator don't butt all the way to the stop. Seems like it might be a defective set in my book. :dunno:

[Toneaero]

Post pics of the problem!

[dr. who]

Hey Dr. Who (or anyone else with the Pxxxx part).

In the directions, there's an Autocad Drawing from Borla Performance Industries...
It lists all the sub-part numbers. Let's compare.

Front Pipe Assy: 53041
Front Muffler Assy: 53042
Rear Muffler Assy: 53043

So, what are they on the sheet that comes with the P system?

I can't get to the instructions right now since they are in another country.... hehe

I'll check it out when I get back.

-Doc

[dr. who]

Yeah, I gave up for the night.

How long did you let it run for?
It's already bound up tighter than a (insert tasteless metaphor here).

I fear heating it would expand them to the point of being totally unable to move them at all.

I just can't get this thing together without twisting and pushing the resonator toward the hitch which ends up with the passenger side 1 inch too low, and even then, the driver's side pipes between the muffler and resonator don't butt all the way to the stop. Seems like it might be a defective set in my book. :dunno:

Your situation sounds EXACTLY like mine.... I emailed the MOPAR folks and told them about my difficulties and what I had to do to get them to fit right....

Here's what I ended up doing - which helped a lot.... I fitted the muffler outlet pipes and resonator pipes together (for a picture) BEFORE I put them in the truck.... I noticed they were tight, so I lubed and assembled them as far as I could (off the truck) a few times until I could get them to slide together with less effort - knowing that when all this crap is under the Truck it'll be harder to muscle around. I marked the farthest point that I slid them on with a scribe. In fact, in THIS PIC (http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=25342) you can see that the resonator and muffler are a little tweaked...

Then I LOOSE assembled the system in the truck from front to back. I started tightening from front to back - using a torque wrench as the instructions stated.

When it came time to wrestle on the resonator pipes, I laid under the truck and focused my energy on pulling them down and forward while jamming my knees under the muffler... I got them as far as I could when they were off the truck and called it 'good'.

The outside tip was STILL lower, so I tweaked the muffler joint up front.... Then after a few weeks of driving, I started to get this drone noise again.... I noticed that the muffler isolator that was now holding all of the system's weight was maxed out to the metal shell.... I relaxed the system again and then bent the rear outboard body-side muffler hanger up to get the tips level and the isolators happy. VOILA. No more drone and level tips.

Just jam those resonator pipes on as far as possible... The two clamps there will hold things good and tight. The rest you're gonna have to adust with the outboard muffler hanger.

-Doc

P.S. I don't think heating the pipes by running the engine would help much back at the resonator - I think the metric mallet dad used was the bigger factor.. hehe YMMV, though.

P.S.S. I think the dual muffler outlet/resonator inlet is necessary for acoustics and tuning, but it sure does put us in a tough spot.

[Monkey Bus]

Thanks for the info, good Doctor.

So, I am going to yank it all off, dry fit, mark, and go from there.

[Monkey Bus]

Well, I got it all up, and it looks pretty good, and sounds incredible.
Thanks for the tips.

I recommend that anyone putting this system on should definitely do a dry fit first.

Get it all together on the ground, put scribe marks to indicate the "best fit" positions, and go from there. Definitely have a strong helper too. It helps when someone strong can hold the muffler while someone else strong can coax the resonator on.

It might be best to have a lift, although I did mine on the ground. It seems to me you'd have better leverage if it was in the air.

I was so frustrated and hot, sweaty, and dirty that I didn't get any pictures of the in process. Sorry....

[dr. who]

Well, I got it all up, and it looks pretty good, and sounds incredible.
Thanks for the tips.

I recommend that anyone putting this system on should definitely do a dry fit first.

Get it all together on the ground, put scribe marks to indicate the "best fit" positions, and go from there. Definitely have a strong helper too. It helps when someone strong can hold the muffler while someone else strong can coax the resonator on.

It might be best to have a lift, although I did mine on the ground. It seems to me you'd have better leverage if it was in the air.

I was so frustrated and hot, sweaty, and dirty that I didn't get any pictures of the in process. Sorry....

hehehe... YAY !

Go get cleaned up, go for a drive and take pics... Then have a beer...

I'm bummed that I am out of town on business or I'd have made the WOT drive-by and hole-shot videos today....

-Doc

[Joe Hemi]

To add to the mallet we did do a dry fit couple of times too. Glad everything worked out Monkey and have fun out of town Dr. Who.

[justin21]

this was suppose to be my 1st mod from 23 miles BUT the dealership is stupid and dident think they made any mopar parts for the durango hemi. so i will be buying this very soon looks very nice and clean and bet it sounds better. im waiting for mopar to make some long tube headers like on the hemi ram by the way do you know if they fit????? or the ypipe cant remember part #s but i got the catalog in the durango.

[dr. who]

* Closed Course. Professional Driver.

As requested, here are two videos of the Durango with P4510607 MPP exhaust in action....

The videos were taken with a still digital camera in video mode, so the video and sound quality are not great, but you get the idea....

In the 'outside' video, it sounds like the exhaust has air-rush noise to it, but it's just the crappy mic on the camera and tire noise. The inside video gives you a good idea for the sound quality inside at full song.

The files are really wmv's, so right-click and save-as "<filename>.wmv" to view them properly....

Counting the time (in my video editor) from when I mashed it (click from the gas pedal), here are the performance #'s... (The flattest closed course I know of nearby.)

0-40 mph, 4.5 sec
0-50 mph, 5.7 sec
0-60 mph, 7.3 sec
0-70 mph, 9.3 sec
0-75 mph, 10.3 sec

Not a blistering performance, but not too bad for a full size SUV.

Enjoy.

[justin21]

thats not a bad 0-60 time i got the tow package and am hoping to get similar results with cai & catback. im also looking into diff gears possilbly.

[Scotia28]

That sounds great Dr. Who!

[Moparblue]

:D Dr. Who it looks like you have a blast with your D! Thanks for the videos and for taking the time to post them. You sold me with the interior video! That is a totally acceptable level of noise for exhaust. If I'm going to pay hundreds of dollars (many hundreds) I want to hear it - I just don't want it to extinguish conversation in the vehicle. But then again, it is most often just me and the wife in the D, maybe I should reconsider and buy a LOUDER exhaust?
SHHHHH! I thinks she's home!? ;)

[justin21]

haa lol yeah thats the way it is with my wife she says i have "problems" whatever that means i just look to improve the manufactures design cuz theres always "hidden potential" in every car. but yeah havent heard the video yet my computer is slow but im sure it sounds great the only fitment issue i think ill run into is where it comes up over the rear of the axel and that should be it had the same problem on the srt as well but overall borla makes very nice quality pieces. dont know if it has a resonator on it but it did on the srt and i removed it and gained 4.6hp just from that alone and welded in a straight 2.5 inch pipe just an idea for more flow and more hp &tq.

[Lew360]

Why is it the vids won't work for me? I click it and it takes me to a new page then nothing. HELP, I want to hear it.

[dr. who]

The files are really wmv's, so right-click and save-as "<filename>.wmv" to view them properly....


Read the post.

[Monkey Bus]

OK, I just drove out to Newport Beach for the week, and I have to say, I really like the note of the 82209194 system.

When you start it, it sounds very*nice and aggressive, yet not obnoxious in the slightest. People routinely turn to look when you fire it up--but aren't put off. The idle note is smooth and unobtrusive yet deep and throaty--how one would expect a Hemi to sound.

When you give it good throttle, it sounds very nice and at WOT, it sounds wicked. But in both cases, it's not overbearing and wont piss off neighbors or Barney Fife--like some of the other systems out there.

At 75 MPH on cruise, it is virtually un-detectable--which is good for the kids and their DVD watching. When you kickdown to pass, you'll remember it's there.

I would honestly say this is the exhaust that should have come stock on Durango's with the Hemi.

From what Borla said, the Pxxx system is the same, but a bit louder, so if you don't have kids who watch DVDs and you want to wave your personal checkered flag over your head, get the Pxxx system. ;)

I'll take some vids when I get a chance.

[engineere6]

When you start it, it sounds very*nice and aggressive, yet not obnoxious in the slightest. People routinely turn to look when you fire it up--but aren't put off. The idle note is smooth and unobtrusive yet deep and throaty--how one would expect a Hemi to sound.

When you give it good throttle, it sounds very nice and at WOT, it sounds wicked. But in both cases, it's not overbearing and wont piss off neighbors or Barney Fife--like some of the other systems out there.

At 75 MPH on cruise, it is virtually un-detectable--which is good for the kids and their DVD watching. When you kickdown to pass, you'll remember it's there.

I would honestly say this is the exhaust that should have come stock on Durango's with the Hemi.

I totally agree!! Just had it installed on mine and I love it. Just went on a road trip to float Current River, 5 of us in the D and no problems being able to talk.

[engineere6]

this was suppose to be my 1st mod from 23 miles BUT the dealership is stupid and dident think they made any mopar parts for the durango hemi. so i will be buying this very soon looks very nice and clean and bet it sounds better.

Called the dealership to order mine and they acted like they didn't know what I was talking about. I gave them the part # and they found it right off. I ordered it, after it came in they said that they do not install exhaust systems, go figure. I told them that I couldn't see paying $525.00 (what they quoted me for it) and then either having to put it on myself or take it to a exhaust shop. So they said that they would give it to me for cost and they would install it on thier dime <---- :huh:! So I went that route, ended up costing me a little over $500.00 for the whole thing. Glad I it installed though, real nice exhaust system.

[justin21]

yeah most places around the seattle area quoted me about 600-700!!!! so im tryin to find a better deal on it. went to moparsupercenter they dont have the part # in their inventory so i guess ill jus wait till i find a good deal.

[DodgeTheBullitt]

* Closed Course. Professional Driver.

As requested, here are two videos of the Durango with P4510607 MPP exhaust in action....

The videos were taken with a still digital camera in video mode, so the video and sound quality are not great, but you get the idea....

In the 'outside' video, it sounds like the exhaust has air-rush noise to it, but it's just the crappy mic on the camera and tire noise. The inside video gives you a good idea for the sound quality inside at full song.

The files are really wmv's, so right-click and save-as "<filename>.wmv" to view them properly....

Counting the time (in my video editor) from when I mashed it (click from the gas pedal), here are the performance #'s... (The flattest closed course I know of nearby.)

0-40 mph, 4.5 sec
0-50 mph, 5.7 sec
0-60 mph, 7.3 sec
0-70 mph, 9.3 sec
0-75 mph, 10.3 sec

Not a blistering performance, but not too bad for a full size SUV.

Enjoy.




WOW!!!....that sounds awesome!! :rck: ....not irritating but you still know there's a Hemi under the hood when you punch it!....That's just the ticket....gotta get one! Just gotta find one up here in Canada!

[dr. who]

WOW!!!....that sounds awesome!! :rck: ....not irritating but you still know there's a Hemi under the hood when you punch it!....That's just the ticket....gotta get one! Just gotta find one up here in Canada!

Thanks man... I can sneak around the neighborhood, but then dismiss those annoying ricers in their fart-can civics, too...

The HEMI pulls hard on the Highway... It only feels like a 5200 lb truck from 0-20 mph.

2nd gear downshifts sound great too... especially from 60-70 mph....

Enjoy.

[DodgeTheBullitt]

* Closed Course. Professional Driver.

As requested, here are two videos of the Durango with P4510607 MPP exhaust in action....

The videos were taken with a still digital camera in video mode, so the video and sound quality are not great, but you get the idea....

In the 'outside' video, it sounds like the exhaust has air-rush noise to it, but it's just the crappy mic on the camera and tire noise. The inside video gives you a good idea for the sound quality inside at full song.

The files are really wmv's, so right-click and save-as "<filename>.wmv" to view them properly....

Counting the time (in my video editor) from when I mashed it (click from the gas pedal), here are the performance #'s... (The flattest closed course I know of nearby.)

0-40 mph, 4.5 sec
0-50 mph, 5.7 sec
0-60 mph, 7.3 sec
0-70 mph, 9.3 sec
0-75 mph, 10.3 sec

Not a blistering performance, but not too bad for a full size SUV.

Enjoy.




WOW!!!....that sounds awesome!! :rck: ....not irritating but you still know there's a Hemi under the hood when you punch it!....That's just the ticket....gotta get one! Just gotta find one up here in Canada!



Just called a couple of local dealerships and they want $905 CDN ($approx. $750 USD) for the 9194 exhaust...... :VHOT: ....that seems a little insane!!!

Gotta find it cheaper....any Canadians on the board that found this part? Maybe I'll try ordering it from the US....just not sure how much shipping, taxes and Customs will be....

[DurangoLmtd]

moparsupercenter.com = $520.94 + $49.49 shipping within US (call/email them for Canada shipping)
dodgeparts.com = $512.40 + ?? shipping

Either of these looks like it will beat $750

[DodgeTheBullitt]

Thanks Jase.....actually, I had called Tenafly, and they will sell it for $499 US plus about $50 - $80 shipping....even with taxes and Customs, it's way below what the local dealer charges....I think I'll get it from them...

After that it's a set of 265/70/17 BFGT ATs....gonna wait for a tire sale at the end of September....buy 3, get 1 free!

[Scotia28]

When I emailed Mopersupercenter.com about the 9194 system, they replied with $520 and $55 USD shipping to Northwest Territories, Canada. Not sure about what customs would charge.

[DodgeTheBullitt]

When I emailed Mopersupercenter.com about the 9194 system, they replied with $520 and $55 USD shipping to Northwest Territories, Canada. Not sure about what customs would charge.



Well, if Borla exhausts are made in the USA, then Free Trade kicks in and there are no Customs charges (6.2% of purchase price)....

Brokerage fees add to it as well....UPS, Fed Ex, etc charge brokerage to bring an item into Canada (declaring with Customs, etc), but USPS doesn't. Tenafly will ship via USPS.....




Just checked their site....they are made in the US...no Customs! :D

[justin21]

i emailed mopar supercenter got no response i would gladly cancel my order with tax for a lil over 825 and get it from moparsupercenter for 575 or so.

[trouble33]

It is pretty funny how a lot of us mod our D like it is a hot rod :thatfunny I guess it is just the modder in me ... I have a Mitsu 3000GT VR-4 with heavy mods, and I just cannot resist doing something to the D. My wife hates my little "hobby", but I buy her some nice jewelry and she forgets all about that things that I splurge on! :D

Its because we love the fact that when some punk in his escalade or denali pulls up beside us at a red light with his tunes pumping and his phat 22's, we know how this story is going to end!

[DurangoLmtd]

Its because we love the fact that when some punk in his escalade or denali pulls up beside us at a red light with his tunes pumping and his phat 22's, we know how this story is going to end!
hey now... just because someone has tunes & 22s doesnt mean he's a punk or cant run. I have a couple L5's that bumps better than most and 22s but I still feel I can out-run most any other non-performance SUV.

[trouble33]

Of course i'm not referring to everyone we pull up beside at a red as a punk because he has tunes and 22's! Just the ones that are punks are more fun to blow their doors off :D And i should clarify when i say punk all i mean is someone at least 15 years my junior! Heck i can recall being beaten by a little old lady of at least 65 one time years ago and I'm sure she thought to herself "take that you little punk" hehe.

[biged6464]

i love my limo tint, 20's, loud ass exhaust, loud ass stereo (factory, but w/ 8 speakers and a sub it still hits!!), shaved look, etc...i smoke at least a car a day whenever i drive the D, which is less and less w/ my new job/company car...it's all good though..it just makes the times i do drive the D all the more enjoyable!! i totally agree w/ "the modder in me" statement!!! i can't leave anything alone!!! i even shaved my girlfriend's Eclipse and put a K&N and Silverstars in it just 'cause I like to mess w/ things...
I also have modded my company car (Taurus), can you believe it!!?? i put limo tint, Silverstar headlights, PIAA turn/side marker bulbs, K&N drop in, removed the "snorkle" on the factory intake, it looks pretty slick!!! for a Taurus!!

[justin21]

yeah i know how u feel every car i get near i just get the itch to mess with ive had over 30 in the last two years and i just get bored so easily. but ive always wanted to build a sleeper and i think the durango would be a good choice i just gotta figure out what im going to do with the tranny. and see how much power it can hold. my friend who owns a shop was talking about making a custom procharger w/intercooler kit for my hemi. he has put quite a few on many vehicles sorry for the off topic.....

[ljn21]

i just ordered my mopar 82209194 3 days ago - when i ordered it, the local dodge dealer's computer said they showed backordered w/ 29 orders waiting to be filled...looks like i might be waiting for awhile...

[dr. who]

i just ordered my mopar 82209194 3 days ago - when i ordered it, the local dodge dealer's computer said they showed backordered w/ 29 orders waiting to be filled...looks like i might be waiting for awhile...

I just checked the MOPAR system and there are 46 in the Milwaukee PDC and 2 in the Ney York PDC.

Zero on national backorder at any PDC.

Might wanna visit/call the dealer and ask him what's up....

-Doc

[ljn21]

thanks for the heads up - i have been less than impressed thus far with my local dodge dealer...this is my first non-Ford vehicle and was hoping for the same level of service i had received in the past from the local ford stealership...thanks again!

[etj]

If your located around Princeton in NJ, Dick Greenfield Dodge on Route 1 has been great. Service department has done a good job.

[ljn21]

If your located around Princeton in NJ, Dick Greenfield Dodge on Route 1 has been great. Service department has done a good job.


i live in the fox valley area of Wisconsin but thanks for the suggestion!

[Chuck_IV]

Hey guys, bringing this back up. Anyone who has installed one, who has a trailer receiver hitch, did you have issues installing it, with that in place? I just mounted a Putnam hitch and noticed it "looks"(can't really tell) like it hangs about a half to a full inch lower, below the bumper than the Dodge OEM hitch. It doesn't cause a problem with the OEM exhaust, since that is angled down, however, the Borla one looks like it comes straight out. This looks to me like my hitch bar will interfere with this.

[dr. who]

Hey guys, bringing this back up. Anyone who has installed one, who has a trailer receiver hitch, did you have issues installing it, with that in place? I just mounted a Putnam hitch and noticed it "looks"(can't really tell) like it hangs about a half to a full inch lower, below the bumper than the Dodge OEM hitch. It doesn't cause a problem with the OEM exhaust, since that is angled down, however, the Borla one looks like it comes straight out. This looks to me like my hitch bar will interfere with this.


You need to ditch the Putnam hitch and buy the OEM rear bumper beam support with the hitch in it... It's a MUCH better setup...

There are no fitment issue with the OEM hitch, but I can envision issues with a hitch that hangs below the rear fascia. There is some adjustment in the tips but not that much. I have mine tucked up about 1/2" from the rear fascia.

Part number 55077589AD, $269.00 list price, but you can find it for cheaper (up to 25% off if you know a Chrysler employee :-D). Strip the rear fascia off the truck, then remove six bolts and swap the non-hitch bumper beam with the hitched one... Torque the bolts and re-install the rear fascia and bingo-bango - you're done.

-Doc

[Chuck_IV]

You need to ditch the Putnam hitch and buy the OEM rear bumper beam support with the hitch in it... It's a MUCH better setup...

There are no fitment issue with the OEM hitch, but I can envision issues with a hitch that hangs below the rear fascia. There is some adjustment in the tips but not that much. I have mine tucked up about 1/2" from the rear fascia.

Part number 55077589AD, $269.00 list price, but you can find it for cheaper (up to 25% off if you know a Chrysler employee :-D). Strip the rear fascia off the truck, then remove six bolts and swap the non-hitch bumper beam with the hitched one... Torque the bolts and re-install the rear fascia and bingo-bango - you're done.

-Doc

I was afraid of that. Is that part(55077589AD) the same as 82208213? I ask because when I search for an OEM hitch, that is the number that comes up(plus I was given that number, byt a deal last week when I was lookign for a hitch.

My problem is , if I do change, I gotta figure out how to get my money back on the Putnam(was $150).

[dr. who]

I was afraid of that. Is that part(55077589AD) the same as 82208213? I ask because when I search for an OEM hitch, that is the number that comes up(plus I was given that number, by a deal last week when I was lookign for a hitch.

My problem is , if I do change, I gotta figure out how to get my money back on the Putnam(was $150).

The 55077589AD ($269 MSRP) part is the factory repair/replacement part for the actual part they bolt on in the plant.

I can only assume that the 82208213 ($215 MSRP) part is similar but maybe different somehow because it's cheaper.... the only way to tell would be to ask the dealer parts guy or have them order both and compare them....

As far as getting your $$ back on the Putnum... can you return it and say it doesn't fit with your truck's exhaust or something ? It's new and un-damaged, right ?? Otherwise, there is always ebay ....

OR you could live with what you have, too... and not worry about it.

-Doc

[dr. who]

unless you already have it wired, you'll need one of these too... I'd opt for the 7-way and get the 4-way flat adapter.. that way you can have the wiring for the 7-way and adapt down to the 4-way.

Dodge Durango 7-Way Round Hitch Wiring HarnessPlug & play right into vehicle's wiring harness. NO SPLICING!
82208432 $129.00 MSRP

Dodge Durango 4-Way Flat Hitch Wiring HarnessPlug & play right into your vehicles wiring harness. NO SPLICING!
82208434 $89.00 MSRP

[Chuck_IV]

Thanx for the info. I decided to order the Accessory part(82208213) as the Dodge dealer told me it is identical to the OEM replacement part(we'll see when I get it tomorrow).

As for the rear fascia off the truck, how difficult is it to take this off? I always seem to run into issues when doing things like this(I can turn a 30 minute project into a couple hrs very easily :o ). Getting the old bumber bar off is a piece of cake, I just wanna make sure I don't damage the bumber cover, when dealing with it.

Thanx.

[dr. who]

Thanx for the info. I decided to order the Accessory part(82208213) as the Dodge dealer told me it is identical to the OEM replacement part(we'll see when I get it tomorrow).

As for the rear fascia off the truck, how difficult is it to take this off? I always seem to run into issues when doing things like this(I can turn a 30 minute project into a couple hrs very easily :o ). Getting the old bumber bar off is a piece of cake, I just wanna make sure I don't damage the bumber cover, when dealing with it.

Thanx.

It's REALLY easy.. a few screws in the rear wheel wells on each side, then there are 3 or four 'screws' into the foam bumper support - be careful with those...

Then you'll have to drill the rivets out of the bumper foam that hold it to the beam and swap beams... Swap bumpers and re-install the foam, re-install the fascia and ta-da.

-Doc

[Chuck_IV]

Ok, so I wouldn't have any issues with the exhaust, I replaced my aftermarket hitch with the Mopar OEM hitch(that went smoothly except for my brute strength that broke a piece of the foam insert off, that we had to fix :o )

Anyway, now I'm ready to tackle the exhaust(if it ever arrives). My question is, for people that have installed it, did you have to jack the D up, to get the old pipe over the axle out and put the new pipe in, over the axle? Seems like a silly question, but the garage I am working in won't allow me to jack the car up(not enough room), so I was trying to find out if we could get away with not having to jack it up(we could do it outside, but it's gonna be sub 30 degrees, so we're gonna try not to do that :) )

***EDIT***

Rereading dr. who's original post, I see he did it all on the ground, so it seems there isn't an issue. Anyone else have any issues installing theirs(minus getting the chrome tips even)?

[dr. who]

Ok, so I wouldn't have any issues with the exhaust, I replaced my aftermarket hitch with the Mopar OEM hitch(that went smoothly except for my brute strength that broke a piece of the foam insert off, that we had to fix :o )

Anyway, now I'm ready to tackle the exhaust(if it ever arrives). My question is, for people that have installed it, did you have to jack the D up, to get the old pipe over the axle out and put the new pipe in, over the axle? Seems like a silly question, but the garage I am working in won't allow me to jack the car up(not enough room), so I was trying to find out if we could get away with not having to jack it up(we could do it outside, but it's gonna be sub 30 degrees, so we're gonna try not to do that :) )

***EDIT***

Rereading dr. who's original post, I see he did it all on the ground, so it seems there isn't an issue. Anyone else have any issues installing theirs(minus getting the chrome tips even)?

It's a little harder on the ground, but I did it alone in less than an hour with no airtools. The key to leveling the tips is getting the system dry fitted first, then installed and then bending the hangers - not simply twisting the exhasut to get the tips level. If you just twist the exhuast and don't adjust the hangers, you'll have some hangers flying in the breeze while other will be stretched to the limit.. .This could cause all kinds of noises from contact.

-Doc

[JibeHo]

No Jacking required! I did it by myself, but had a bud to help me get the tips straight. I did it in the driveway. http://www.allmandsail.com/images/cwbb/durango1.jpg

[dr. who]

cool... now you guys have to get some hi-temp paint and paint that ugly resonator black.

-Doc

[Chuck_IV]

Well my exhaust came in yesterday(finally). With the group buy discount(that's why it took so long, had to wait for enough orders), I got it from Moparsupercenter.com for only $458 + $40 shipping. Not bad. However, I'm gonna have my dealer install it, which will eat up that savings(they said it would be about $100), as my buddy doesn't have the time, over the next few weeks and I don't have garage space to work in and it's in the 20's here. Way too cold to work outside. I could wait till my buddy has time, but I just can't stand to see it sitting there, in the box, in my garage that long. :rck:

I'm gonna mention to them to make sure the tips are level tho. I bring it in tomorrow.

[etj]

That's pretty good, my dealer wanted $270 to install!

[Chuck_IV]

That's pretty good, my dealer wanted $270 to install!

That's nuts. He said it should be no more than 1 1/2 hrs(I doubt it even takes them an hr, which is why I said about $100), so actually about $120 but said if I wanted to keep the old exhaust, a bit more,since they would take more time and make sure not to damage the parts coming off.

FYI, on my chrome tips, they don't have anything inscribed on them, no Borla or Mopar on them, just plain chrome.

[Big3]

It should only take maybe 30 min to install. Make sure they have the tailpipe rotated so that it is at least 1" away from the rear bumper cover. If its touching or too close, it will melt it.

[Chuck_IV]

Well, it's on. It really sounds good. It adds a nice rumble to the 4.7 while not going overboard and keeping it sane in the interior. The only thing is, it didn't totally get rid of the vibration I have been feeling. It's definitely less, a lot less, but I can still feel it slightly, in the steering column. I have a feeling this vibration is something other than the exhaust drone :( .

Ah well, this was a heck of a nice upgrade on the exhaust. FYI the dealer charged me $125 for the install and it looks like they replaced all the rubber mounts, so that makes the install price more worth it.

[DodgeTheBullitt]

Man, those twin tips look fantastic :rck: ......gotta do my exhaust. But I think I'll wait until Spring when all of the snow/salt is gone....

[Big3]

At www.allchryslerparts.com:
Part #: 55077589AD - List: $269.00, Price: $185.15 ($95 off list)
Part #: 82208213 - List: $215.00, Price: $185.15 ($30 off list)
Part #: 82208432 - List: $139.00, Price: $111.55 ($28 off list)
Part #: 82208434 - List: $89.00, Price: $71.30 ($18 off list)


Never pay retail!

See exploded view: http://www.trademotion.com/schematics/images/T/TG04685.gif

[Shortydurango]

Well my exhaust came in yesterday(finally). With the group buy discount(that's why it took so long, had to wait for enough orders), I got it from Moparsupercenter.com for only $458 + $40 shipping. Not bad. However, I'm gonna have my dealer install it, which will eat up that savings(they said it would be about $100), as my buddy doesn't have the time, over the next few weeks and I don't have garage space to work in and it's in the 20's here. Way too cold to work outside. I could wait till my buddy has time, but I just can't stand to see it sitting there, in the box, in my garage that long. :rck:

I'm gonna mention to them to make sure the tips are level tho. I bring it in tomorrow.
Cheapest I could find was $529.96 shipped wyckoffmoparparts Anyone find it cheaper elsewhere? 8220919x

[Big3]

82209194 = $516 at www.allchryslerparts.com w/o shipping.

[Scotia28]

Man, I really want to get the 9194 system for my D. I've also been thinking lately that it would be quicker and easier for me to get a good muffler, take off the rear resonator and get a new tailpipe with a good tip on the end. In the end I'll probably get the Mopar system just so my dealer can't try to blame me if there are problems. :)

[Big3]

I like the Borla system but it is just too dang expensive. I'm happy with my Magnaflow cat back.

[kbat69]

Just found the 82209194 for the low low price of $449 at www.makeitmopar.com plus $58 shipping for a grand total of $507.

Tried a search for the P4510607 but it came up empty.

If anyone knows where I can get the 9194 any cheaper than this please let me know. If not I will be buying it soon from makeitmopar.

[kbat69]

I e-mailed makeitmopar.com about the P4510607 cat back exhaust and this was thier reply:

Ken,
I have attached a link below to the part, which I have added to the catalog. It will require 4 days for me to get the part to our warehouse.
http://www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=AccessoryCatalog&catalogid=3750&siteid=214096&categoryID=83735
Thank You,
Damon
Makeitmopar.com

They are selling it for $641.75

Again this is the cheapest place I have been able to find. So the final results of both Cat Back Exhasuts at makeitmopar.com are:

P4510607 = $641.75
82209194 = $449.00

[Scotia28]

Good information kbat69! Thanks! Those are the cheapest I've seen for both exhausts.

[DodgeTheBullitt]

yeah, same here....my local dealer said they'd give it to me for $670 CDN...I may have to do it sooner than planned.....