Anyone have news on performance chips for the 5.7? I'de love to keep this topic uppermost in all our minds and on this forum so that we can all go get our chips when/if they become available.
On another note, I have heard that ABS and the Electronic Stability Control are on the same fuse. Heard anything about splitting those out so that the Stability Control can be shut down completely but leave the ABS on? ABS=Antilock Brakes, I may have my acronyms wrong.
MagnumFreak
11-21-2004, 03:52 PM
No chips just yet. A couple of companies claim to be close to cracking the computer but it is all just talk right now.
ABS and ESP are on the same fuse from what I am told. Small problem with disabling it though. PCM hates it and starts throwing all sorts of codes. Car still operates fine but the codes have to be reset by the dealer.
sikpuppy
11-21-2004, 07:59 PM
On the chip issue. I have been told there is one available for the 5.7 and Iwill be getting details tomorrow. There is also one going to be available for the 3.5 V6 in another month or so. Now, concerning the ESP and ABS. THey ARE on the same fuse, you will get a lot of codes, but I think if you disconnect the battery for more than 10 minutes, the system resets itself back to factory and reinitializes. I'm not positive on this but that is what I have been told. Can anyone confirm this?
HEMI 2 ENVY
11-21-2004, 09:13 PM
I have been told by hypertech for 2 weeks they are 2 weeks away from being able to seel. So I am waithing to see thier programmer. I will check back with them tomorrow and let you know.
sheezdoc
11-21-2004, 10:25 PM
Cool, thx for the info guys. Post your azz off here when you know of a chip/reviews!
Wicked96SS
11-22-2004, 06:58 AM
Does anybody know if this is going to be an actual chip replacement? Hopefully the Magnum has a falshable EEPROM and you don't have to replace anything... well, actually, I am positive it does, but I hope somebody like hypertech cracks it and gives a programmer, so you can change tire size / gears / shift points / etc. I really liked the hypertech for that, but thier "performance tune" for the Impala SS was lacking considerably.
What would even be better is if somebody did something along the lines of LT1 Edit for the cars... allow the user to do their own tune (fuel maps, spark curves, etc. etc. etc...).... I am sure that will happen, but like everything, I want it now!! ;)
MagnumFreak
11-22-2004, 10:23 AM
I would love a lt1 edit style of program. That would be so cool to be able to go in and make some changes and if it didn't work out just go back to what you had before. LT1 edit is a great program a friend of mine has it for his camaro.
sikpuppy
11-22-2004, 02:17 PM
Don't know for sure if it will be fully prommable but it IS available now from Hypertech. My buddy here in Houston (Freshrydes) h as two in stock but they are, of course, sold and waiting to be installed. He should have some more in later this week, as soon as Hypertech gets them shipped. Demand is high and according to him, those that placed orders for more than 5 chips are first on the list for receiving them and everyone else will just have to wait a while until all the orders place at SEMA are filled. So, they are ready, but it's one of those supply and demand scenarios. Be patient, they are coming, and SOON!
Wicked96SS
11-22-2004, 07:55 PM
Well, not interested in Hypertech's tuning... I have never been impressed with it... I was hoping it was going to be a programmer like for the LT1, if not, I think I will pass...
magnumrtawd
11-23-2004, 01:12 PM
I Just Called Hypertech And They Do Not Have Anything For The Magnum Yet... Dont Hold Your Breath
WumpscuT
11-23-2004, 01:28 PM
I emailed superchip and this is what they said:
"Not sure at this time Nelson. It really depends on demand from the public and how popluar the car becomes. By that I mean how many are sold and will Superchips get a good return on its time and investment should we do one for this vehicle. Even though it is a good looking car and I like the looks of it really well, it does not sell nearly as many units as a Dodge truck will, say the 04 Hemi Ram for instance. Dodge has this thing that every vehicle has to have a totally different computer setup in them. Takes us way to long to develop a tuner for a Dodge vehicle compared to a Ford or GM for instance. At this time it is not on our schedule. That is not to say it will not be after the first of the new year. I know this is pretty vague but it is the was it is anyway.
al"
darkrt
11-23-2004, 01:31 PM
I just talked to my man at my local 5 star and he said they can program for tire size changes. Don't know about gear changes etc.,but will try to find out.
sikpuppy
11-23-2004, 07:00 PM
Correct, sorta. They are not available to the GENERAL PUBLIC yet. The owner of Freshrydes gets things a little sooner than most for a lot of different reasons. He DOES have the chips from Hypertech, and is one of two sources for them until they DO release them to the public. Just like he will be getting one of the 8 new Magnums with the 6.1 Hemi that have been built so far, sometime in the next two weeks. After he fniished the custom work on it, it will be going to a guy by the name of Mannie Fresh over in New ORleans (big rap artist / producer who is in LOVE with the Mag's and 300's, has at least two of each right now and they can be seen in his latest video as well as several different magazines, even featured in DUB magazine, in the last few months) so........... that is just one of the reasons, he does custom jobs for lots of other entertainment people as well, plus has had several of his cars featured in various custom & performance car mags in the last few years. The chips that he has now can adjust rev limit, tire/wheel size, shift points, etc, etc. They suold be available to the public within the next 3 - 4 weeks, that's what I was told today while we were installing my Eibach springs. I'll give an update when available.
sikpuppy
11-23-2004, 07:02 PM
FYI - Check with your delaer, they should also be able to adust your speed limiter to match the speed rating of your tires.
rthemi
01-30-2005, 01:05 PM
any new updates on the chips... any 1?
MikeyB
01-30-2005, 01:22 PM
I'm not impressed with Hypertech. I had a power programmer for my '98 C1500. I could not tell a difference with the programmer. Even with the 160 thermostat running premium fuel. What I did notice is my fuel economy went DOWN with the programmer. I did like how the programmer reprogrammed the shifting and adjusting for tire size.
So I removed the programmer, installed the B&M electronic shift kit, 180 thermostat and did the EGR mod was completely happy, running on 87 octane. I got my money back by selling the programmer and 160 thermostat on Ebay.
BTW, I had a cold air intake and Gibson catback installed on the Chevy.
MikeyB
rthemi
02-07-2005, 09:08 PM
http://jetchip.com/ another member on this forum said he has just installed a jetchip.. does any 1 know anything about these chips? any feedback ?
bobf
02-08-2005, 11:27 AM
From a real guy at Dodgemagnum.net
Test summary (OPINION ONLY). $320 + $30 shipping + 2 hours of my time $480 = $830 of total crap. SAVE YOUR MONEY.
Unless my ECU is in the special classes taking the short Magnum to school, and takes more time than a plug-in to learn the chip, I got negligible differences.
OK - These numbers are based on ESP off, dead stop to WOT (no power braking, shifting, etc. to try to be fair). 2 runs without, 2 runs with chip.
Without chip:
1/4 = 15.00 at 91.1 mph; 0-60 = 6.57
1/4 = 14.85 at 92.3 mph; 0-60 = 6.42
With chip (30 minutes later):
1/4 = 14.8 at 92.4 mph; 0-60 = 6.42
1/4 = 14.72 at 94.2 mph; 0-60 = 6.37
All done at same level blacktop, 46 degrees outside (according to car).
Before trashing the chip too much, I will say that after the battery reconnect, I half-assed the throttle calibration, although it didn't feel too bad from where I had it before the chip install. I'll work on that a little and see if the numbers get better. Also, I'm pending a ticket right now, so I'm trying to keep the potential for another one to a minimum. I'll do a little more testing later. As of now, I'd say save the money and see what else comes out. Maybe it will get quicker as the computer learns??? Hard to tell with only 2 runs.
MattRobertson
02-08-2005, 12:54 PM
Hmmm. Those numbers aren't good with or without the chip, although I've done a few things to mine. After seven runs my 0-60 averaged 5.97 and my 1/4 mile averaged 14.39 at 97.41.
http://foohbar.com/magnum_perf.cfm
I'm not unique to be running in the high fives. Others have reported similar numbers so its nothing magic on my end (btw for all I know the chip *is* crap).
IDSmoker
02-08-2005, 01:30 PM
Matt: FWIW, I'm pretty sure those numbers were gotten using an accelerometer. While useful for comparing one run to the next, they really can't be compared to numbers gathered any other way, even using another accelerometer of the same make/model/parameters.
rthemi
02-08-2005, 01:32 PM
hmm ... well doesnt sound that great but i would love to hear alot more input about it .. bob if u could do some more test that would be great , maybe next time power break and see wat u can do ? what other companies at this point are going to be coming out with a chip for the 5.7?
MattRobertson
02-08-2005, 01:35 PM
What do you mean exactly? I used an Escort GT-2, and I can definitely see where quoting its horsepower numbers can be lots o' blue sky. The calcs involved can be screwed up pretty easily. But the 1/4 mile time calcs seem pretty straightforward. You're either moving or not, and the system I have starts ticking when it senses 0.10 g, which is pretty sensitive.
Not saying a $180 computer (you can get 'em cheaper now) is the be-all/end-all, but the reviews I've read say they're mighty accurate (although we are shaving hairs here, so a little variation means a lot).
sikpuppy
02-09-2005, 01:38 AM
From a real guy at Dodgemagnum.net
Test summary (OPINION ONLY). $320 + $30 shipping + 2 hours of my time $480 = $830 of total crap. SAVE YOUR MONEY.
Unless my ECU is in the special classes taking the short Magnum to school, and takes more time than a plug-in to learn the chip, I got negligible differences.
OK - These numbers are based on ESP off, dead stop to WOT (no power braking, shifting, etc. to try to be fair). 2 runs without, 2 runs with chip.
Without chip:
1/4 = 15.00 at 91.1 mph; 0-60 = 6.57
1/4 = 14.85 at 92.3 mph; 0-60 = 6.42
With chip (30 minutes later):
1/4 = 14.8 at 92.4 mph; 0-60 = 6.42
1/4 = 14.72 at 94.2 mph; 0-60 = 6.37
All done at same level blacktop, 46 degrees outside (according to car).
Before trashing the chip too much, I will say that after the battery reconnect, I half-assed the throttle calibration, although it didn't feel too bad from where I had it before the chip install. I'll work on that a little and see if the numbers get better. Also, I'm pending a ticket right now, so I'm trying to keep the potential for another one to a minimum. I'll do a little more testing later. As of now, I'd say save the money and see what else comes out. Maybe it will get quicker as the computer learns??? Hard to tell with only 2 runs.
Here's more info on the Jet chip. It doesn't really provide the FULL benefit until you have driven the car a minimum of 125 miles as it REPROGRAMS the factory ECM. It's not a "chip" but a "module" that "teaches" the factory system to use the new parameters. If you want it to go back to the factory settings, just remove the module, drive it for a couple hundred miles and you are back to the stock settings again. That's what was stated by Jetchip, I'll get mine in a couple more days and then see if it is true or not.
djc208
02-09-2005, 11:45 AM
Here's more info on the Jet chip. It doesn't really provide the FULL benefit until you have driven the car a minimum of 125 miles as it REPROGRAMS the factory ECM. It's not a "chip" but a "module" that "teaches" the factory system to use the new parameters. If you want it to go back to the factory settings, just remove the module, drive it for a couple hundred miles and you are back to the stock settings again. That's what was stated by Jetchip, I'll get mine in a couple more days and then see if it is true or not.
OK, I think I understand this now. It doesn't really "teach" or "reprogram" the stock ECU ("reprogramming" is done through the diagnostic port under the dash). It "modifies" the signals coming and going from the stock ECU. I.e. it takes the injector pulse command from the computer and fattens it before re-laying it to the car, or increases/decreases the voltage from a sensor to "trick" the stock ECU into making more power. The reason it takes some time is because the stock ECU will try to adapt to these new settings and compensate. Things like the adaptive fuel factor(s) are averaged over time and driving conditions so the full effect won't happen until these averages stabilize.
There's nothing wrong with this method if done properly. The only issue is that you're still limited by what the original ECU is programmed to allow. Too much "modification" of the signals and the computer will not be able to compensate and will either cut-back to protect the motor, or set error codes.
Slowcode
02-09-2005, 12:33 PM
Dumb question then...
My driving habits and my wifes are way different. How will the computer react to a wide range of throttle inputs? You can guess who is putting along and who is WOT :D
rthemi
02-09-2005, 07:06 PM
im not familiar with jet chip or any other chip.. sikpuppy what made u choose this program before waiting for others to come out? what would the advantages be over buying an actual chip or are actual chips more beneficial ?
sikpuppy
02-09-2005, 09:12 PM
I decided on this because there is nothing else available at this time. Beggars can't be choosers ya know!
bobf
02-10-2005, 09:27 PM
Here's the link to the entire discussion. If your not a member, you should be. It's a great site.
My driving habits and my wifes are way different. How will the computer react to a wide range of throttle inputs? You can guess who is putting along and who is WOT :D
Well, adaptive is a relative term. Without looking at the code, the engine controls usually only adapt to keep the engine operating within it's programmed parameters. For instance if you add a CAI and can move more air, the car will compensate as it learns that what it calculates as enough fuel and what the O2 sensor says is enough fuel is different thanks to the extra air. The engine doesn't really compensate for driving habbits.
The transmission on the other hand does. The computer will compensate for transmission temp, wear, load, etc. It also adapts shift firmness, length, and timing to how your driving. Drive aggresively and the shifts will be later, firmer, and shorter. Putter along and they get smoother, slower, and longer so they're less jarring.
HEMI 2 ENVY
02-12-2005, 10:15 AM
I went to the jetchip site and found them. I then went to ebay and got one for $229 and $10 shipping for the stage 2 module (R/T with intake and borla exhaust). So, if u are intrested in something now you might want to look around for a better price. I will let you all know what the results are when it arrives.
rthemi
02-20-2005, 12:30 PM
Jet Chip update? hows it going..? or any update on the release on another chip?
bobf
02-21-2005, 08:55 PM
Things seem to be going well for Ronney the guinea pig at dodgemagnum.net.
I get mine this week. I'll give a report.
gsjoe
02-25-2005, 06:54 PM
Well, mine is also on the way. It may be here by tues. I hope the gains are not short lived due to the "obstinant total recall on board computer."
hemiwagon
02-26-2005, 06:22 PM
I called Superchip and they told me later this summer for their programmer.
rthemi
02-26-2005, 08:37 PM
later this summer... aww man o well ill wait!
MattRobertson
02-28-2005, 03:00 PM
Forgive my laser-beam focus, but you specifically mean "reprogrammer" and not just "chip"? As in "able to reprogram the governor" (or the tire size, for that matter)?
I've pretty much decided to hold all performance mods until that governor issue gets addressed. Don't see a point in headers or doing all new pipes if all I'm doing is runnin out my leash faster.
A Volkswagen Jetta will beat an R/T at the top end. How's that for perspective? We gotta get this fixed.
bobf
02-28-2005, 03:16 PM
Ronneyf at dodgemagnum.net has around 400 miles on it and is satified with power gains and does not see it decreasing as time goes on.
Get Stage 1 and 2 at Highhorseperformance.com (http://estore.websitepros.com/802805/Search.bok?category=DODGE%3A%26nbsp%3B+Magnum). These guys have great prices and the best customer service any of us have seen?
I installed mine last week and I am happy with the results. I can definitely feel the power gain and I have almost 200 miles since the chip.
MattRobertson
02-28-2005, 04:42 PM
Well I just got off the phone with Superchips. Hemiwagon, whoever you talked to *apparently* thought you were talking about the Magnum truck and not the Magnum RT, as I got the same line until I insisted there was no 2004 Magnum. Then the guy said "Oh the Magnum *RT*... thats different". Here's what I just got from them:
They are presently working on the 2004 5.7 trucks. Only. They have not started on any '05 Dodges.
When they are done with the '04 trucks they will take on the '05's. If there are enough similarities between the 5.7 Magnum and the 5.7 truck, they will incorporate the two into a single model, which will hasten its release, but don't bet on it since the differences are likely to be significant.
Otherwise they will start on the '05 Magnum after they are done with the '04's they have to get out.
I was asked where I lived, because they are "always" looking for test vehicles. Volunteers? http://superchips.com.
These units will do everything I want: change the rev limiter (not interested), raise the governor (very very interested) and change tire size (very very interested) as well as a diagnostic mode and performance tuning profiles. But they won't be cheap. Best price on the '03 Dodge unit was $399 for the outdated model. About $450 for the full programmer.
I'd pay it in a minute for just the tire size and governor thing.
gsjoe
03-04-2005, 08:48 PM
I installed the "chip". I am so far NOT impressed. My 0-60 not only did not improve, but got a little worse. With the CAI and Exaust mod my time was in the 5.3 -5.5 range. With premium gas and 170 miles on the chip my time went to 5.8- 6.0. Jet chip tech told me the chip improved the 1500rpm to WOT range, not 0-60. I don't see the difference since 0-60 includes 1500rpms and WOT. It seems to have less torque as hole shots do not seem to be as strong as before. I guess I'l give it a little more time. So far not impressed.
