Check out the coupe-like profile guys! People on other forums are already talking about shaving the rear door handles to give it a two-door appearance. :cool:
garou
10-03-2004, 10:39 AM
i hope not. i don't like the way the cross hair grill is placed.
FreeLantz
10-03-2004, 11:00 AM
Well that much we can be sure, is certain... this is the Charger. What we can hope for in the next few months are the following possibilities:
a two door model! (somewhat likely)
an SRT-8 with a 6.1-liter Hemi (very likely)
a Daytona special edition to be introduced at the race in Feb (very likely)
a stripped-down, high performance "Super Bee" model (not very likely, but possible)
I know Dodge has great things planned for this model, and I know they understand the importance of having serious performance out of a car with such a legendary name. I'm excited about it myself! I think more people will be once they see and drive it. :)
Hasek
10-03-2004, 11:19 AM
i like it cept it NEEDS to be a 2 door
FreeLantz
10-03-2004, 12:26 PM
From E8502, here's a photochop of what a two-door Charger should/would look like!
Put that side by side with the 4 door sketch and I think you'll realize how hidden the rear doors really are. I can deal with the 4 doors and this sketch is starting to grow on me. Once I see one in person (as with most Dodge releases I'm hesitant about) I think I'll approve 100%.
dodgeatheart
10-03-2004, 12:55 PM
More people will go for the 4 doors than the 2. This car is a Charger for the masses, not a Charger for enthusiasts. It's unfortunate that the name has been "sold out" in a sense, but it was a wise business decision - almost as wise as bringing back the "Hemi".
FreeLantz
10-03-2004, 01:02 PM
I agree guys, I think its gonna look much better in person, and it doesnt look bad at all in photos. The reality is, coupes dont sell in numbers high enough for a manufacturer as big as DCX to make a profit on them. This is why so many two-door cars in the industry have disappeared in recent years, and the few that remain (such as the Mustang, T-Bird, GTO) are specialty cars, not traditional coupes.
I really want to believe Dodge has something else coming, for those of us who want a two-door, RWD, Hemi-powered car. It may not be a two-door Charger, or it may. If its not, chances are it will be smaller, and a version of the upcoming Chrysler Airflite. Either way, I'm ready to get behind the wheel of this new Charger and I'll reserve my final judgement on it until after that test drive! :rck:
mrb83sxt02
10-04-2004, 12:41 AM
Will Look Sweet Next To A 'stang, Very Similar In Its Stance. Like Everybody Else I Hope They'll Have A Coupe Also
02Dakotagirl
10-22-2004, 02:48 PM
Rats. I had such hopes for a new Charger. I think my dad will cry when he sees this sacrilage. He owns a '73 that he's restoring and has always been a huge Charger fan.
Hi Gear
10-22-2004, 11:51 PM
It definitely needs some classic charger equipment. like the hideaway headlights, the black grill, the fender gas cap, and some serious performance..
What do ya think?
pyssed
10-23-2004, 03:14 AM
It's thirty years later and technology has taken over. Who wants to go backwards in design? I want to be able to tell my grand children about the insane rides we had as adults and not some 30 year old retro design.
02Dakotagirl
10-23-2004, 09:28 AM
They don't need to go backwards in design to at least include some form of homage to the Charger. What's the point of giving it the Charger name to something that doesn't bear even a small resembalence to the Charger? Perhaps if they weren't doing it with a car that was well known as a speedster, I wouldn't have this reaction. The Chevy Impala sure didn't raise a reaction.
FreeLantz
10-23-2004, 10:16 AM
The fastback roofline is clearly inspired by the original ('66-'67) Charger design, and the sharknose front end is inspired by later models.
The point of giving it the Charger name, is that the Charger in its inception was a performance car made for people who needed a little more room than you could get in a Mustang or Barracuda, and who wanted a few more options as well. It was priced higher than both of those cars, and it never sold anywhere near as many copies as the Mustang, but it was very well respected for its power and performance. The new Charger will fill that exact same position in the marketplace. The top of the line engine will have approximately 425 horsepower! How many cars are even made today that boast that kind of power????
As for the Impala, it's one of the ten best-selling cars in America. Go figure!
wod01
10-23-2004, 10:16 AM
I understand what you guys are saying about the "Charger" name and how this is a misrepresentation of that....but remember the 80's, now that wasn't good for the "Charger" name.
sofast785
10-26-2004, 11:39 PM
If this is really the "Charger" sorry, I don't like it. Guess the wife gets her new mini van...shit
E8502
10-30-2004, 05:16 PM
Hey Dave... I have been registered over here... I just can't keep up with all these forums!! :P
I think the two door chop I did looks super... Can't wait for the Challenger.
Coelacanth
11-06-2004, 12:09 PM
The fastback roofline is clearly inspired by the original ('66-'67) Charger design, and the sharknose front end is inspired by later models.
I agree with you on the fastback roofline, but the "sharknose front end" bears no resemblance whatsoever to ANY of the "classic" Chargers (at least, the muscle-car ones)...however, looking at that guys picture of the 80's POS econobox Charger, well...yeah, I agree there, the headlights *do* seem to be inspired by the ugly-ass 80's Chargers.
I still think naming this car "Charger" is a travesty to the "classic" Charger heritage. As has been said a thousand times already, Chrysler should've stuck with the wicked prototype design they built in 1999, which took many styling cues from "classic muscle-car" Chargers of the late 60's/early 70's, including the Coke-bottle shape, door and hood indented design, fastback roofline, long trunk area (as opposed to the 06's rather cut-off rear-end), and taillight treatment borrowed from the 69-70 Chargers...not to mention only TWO doors.
This thing is ugly. It's a Charger for the masses, as one person stated (and I stated over a month ago), it's a Charger for the "family man" who wants to cart his 3 kids around, with room for a few bags of groceries too. It's an Anti-Charger for the Charger enthusiast. Shameful.
dakota02rt
11-06-2004, 05:35 PM
it looks like crap I like the 2000 version more curves and the four door version did not look bad is 2000
FreeLantz
11-06-2004, 05:52 PM
I agree with you on the fastback roofline, but the "sharknose front end" bears no resemblance whatsoever to ANY of the "classic" Chargers (at least, the muscle-car ones)...however, looking at that guys picture of the 80's POS econobox Charger, well...yeah, I agree there, the headlights *do* seem to be inspired by the ugly-ass 80's Chargers.
I still think naming this car "Charger" is a travesty to the "classic" Charger heritage. As has been said a thousand times already, Chrysler should've stuck with the wicked prototype design they built in 1999, which took many styling cues from "classic muscle-car" Chargers of the late 60's/early 70's, including the Coke-bottle shape, door and hood indented design, fastback roofline, long trunk area (as opposed to the 06's rather cut-off rear-end), and taillight treatment borrowed from the 69-70 Chargers...not to mention only TWO doors.
This thing is ugly. It's a Charger for the masses, as one person stated (and I stated over a month ago), it's a Charger for the "family man" who wants to cart his 3 kids around, with room for a few bags of groceries too. It's an Anti-Charger for the Charger enthusiast. Shameful.
I respect your opinion, and believe me you are not alone in your opinion. But I also think using words like "travesty" and "shameful" to describe a car, especially one as capable as this one, is really overdoing it. I have a feeling many people will grow fonder of the Charger once it's out, and once they have driven it. Of course if a two-door version shows up later that would probably shut just about everyone up too wouldnt it? ;)
TR4Petty
11-15-2004, 01:30 AM
If that's the new Charger, I'm not thrilled. It isn't ugly but it's no head turner either. It DEFINITELY needs to be a 2-door coupe if it's going to bear the Charger name! I don't understand why Dodge seems to be averse to building 2-door coupes. I'm a long-time Mopar guy but couldn't get either of my kids into a Dodge due to lack of a 2-door Neon. Like most young folks they are just starting out and are on a tight budget. The only Dodge they could afford was a Neon but no 2-door in the lineup. They both balked at the idea of driving a 4-door sedan even with spoiler and nice wheels (we looked at SXTs). I really can't blame them. At their age I wouldn't have been caught dead in a 4-door car! I understand that there's a bigger market for 4-door cars but that doesn't mean there isn't a sizable market for 2-door coupes. Chevy makes the Cavalier in a 2-door, ditto for the Ford Focus and most Japanese cars in the same category. If they can find enough buyers to make the venture profitable, then Dodge could too! I just recently noticed that the new Cavalier replacement called Cobalt will also be available in a 2-door coupe version. These brand X 2-door coupes are stealing market share from Dodge among the young people that will be hard to make up for in the future. Ford has hit a home run with the new Mustang. Dodge should pay attention!
E8502
11-15-2004, 01:36 PM
If that's the new Charger, I'm not thrilled. It isn't ugly but it's no head turner either. It DEFINITELY needs to be a 2-door coupe if it's going to bear the Charger name! I don't understand why Dodge seems to be averse to building 2-door coupes. I'm a long-time Mopar guy but couldn't get either of my kids into a Dodge due to lack of a 2-door Neon. Like most young folks they are just starting out and are on a tight budget. The only Dodge they could afford was a Neon but no 2-door in the lineup. They both balked at the idea of driving a 4-door sedan even with spoiler and nice wheels (we looked at SXTs). I really can't blame them. At their age I wouldn't have been caught dead in a 4-door car! I understand that there's a bigger market for 4-door cars but that doesn't mean there isn't a sizable market for 2-door coupes. Chevy makes the Cavalier in a 2-door, ditto for the Ford Focus and most Japanese cars in the same category. If they can find enough buyers to make the venture profitable, then Dodge could too! I just recently noticed that the new Cavalier replacement called Cobalt will also be available in a 2-door coupe version. These brand X 2-door coupes are stealing market share from Dodge among the young people that will be hard to make up for in the future. Ford has hit a home run with the new Mustang. Dodge should pay attention!Well, go by a Mustang then - and we can see who wins - my new SRT-8 Charger or your Ford. ;)
Coelacanth
11-15-2004, 11:52 PM
Well, go by a Mustang then - and we can see who wins - my new SRT-8 Charger or your Ford. ;)
Dude, I think you're totally missing the point. I have disliked Mustangs all my life, but you gotta admit, Ford did EVERYTHING RIGHT with the new Mustang! It looks like a slightly modernized Shelby-designed Mustang! It shares all the design elements of the original classic, but gives it a modern feel. The new Charger looks like ass, it doesn't share hardly ANY styling cues of the original 68-70 Chargers (let alone the early 70's ones), it's not retro in ANY WAY -- except for a powerful motor with hemispherical heads and a "Hemi" badge on it!
They were on the right track back in the late 90's with the prototype they had conceived under a different design engineer, but that train got horribly derailed. And to FreeLantz, no, I don't think the words "travesty" and "shameful" are too strong...maybe you aren't a one-time classic Charger owner, seeing what Ford resurrected so beautifully with their 'Stang, and seeing how SHITTY a job Dodge did with the new Charger!
Poor, poor, poor. I'm so glad they made the Magnum though, I'd take the Magnum over the 4-door grocery-Charger anyday.
98PLUMCRAZYRAM
11-19-2004, 11:25 PM
I don't know guys this is 2004 and all DCX sees is $$$ and markets the top Dodge performance car being the Viper and they don't want to pull buyers away from that $80,000 smackaroo car with a another 2-door HEMI powered sports car priced in the $34,000 dollar range, although we the enthuasiats would like it i just don't see it happening i really see this as a smart move. yes it doesnt look like a '69 Charger but if you are whining about it not looking like that then you just need to get over that and BUY a '69 Charger! and i actually hated the new rams the first time i saw one in a magazine i cussed it to death but that has since changed and i love the way they look in person. such is the case with this car don't axe it just yet and if you don't like the grille modify it! paint it chop it!
i think it would look bada$$ with a billet grille in there sat back further in the shell without the crosshairs, id have one in black with a red bumblebee stripe, definately lowered! jam a set of torque thrust II style rims on that thing, tinted windows, add some go-parts on that thing Flowmaster exhaust,Headers,PCM,
different gears out back! oh yeah i can see alot of the newer stangs fading fast in the rearview mirror! :rck:
TR4Petty
11-20-2004, 12:41 AM
E8502, I don't want a new 'stang. I'm definitely a Mopar guy all the way. My point was simply that DC needs to attract the young folks like my two teens by building entry-level 2-door coupes. And they need to attract us boomers by building the cars that we dreamed about but couldn't afford when we were younger, i.e., 2-door coupe muscle like Charger, Challenger, Super Bee, etc. A 4-door sedan, regardless of what name you pin on it, is simply not going to do it for me.
dece9410
11-21-2004, 05:08 AM
One word pretty much describes the design of the new Charger:
FUGLY...
E8502
11-21-2004, 11:23 AM
E8502, I don't want a new 'stang. I'm definitely a Mopar guy all the way. My point was simply that DC needs to attract the young folks like my two teens by building entry-level 2-door coupes. And they need to attract us boomers by building the cars that we dreamed about but couldn't afford when we were younger, i.e., 2-door coupe muscle like Charger, Challenger, Super Bee, etc. A 4-door sedan, regardless of what name you pin on it, is simply not going to do it for me.Not so sure... The 300's become a much respected car woth younger folks, in part to its "bling" factor.
Jinxmasta
11-21-2004, 11:30 AM
E8502, I don't want a new 'stang. I'm definitely a Mopar guy all the way. My point was simply that DC needs to attract the young folks like my two teens by building entry-level 2-door coupes. And they need to attract us boomers by building the cars that we dreamed about but couldn't afford when we were younger, i.e., 2-door coupe muscle like Charger, Challenger, Super Bee, etc. A 4-door sedan, regardless of what name you pin on it, is simply not going to do it for me.
If they won't want a Neon, get em a SRT-4. I'm sure neither of them would mind, and if they do, they're way too picky and spoiled, seeing as most teenagers would never even have a chance of owning an SRT-4, even if you can get them used for around $14,000.
Jinxmasta
11-21-2004, 11:36 AM
Not so sure... The 300's become a much respected car woth younger folks, in part to its "bling" factor.
That's very true. I'm only 17, and if someone gave me a choice of a few modern day coupes and a 300C, I'd probably take the 300C for a number of reasons:
1. It looks awesome. Even if luxury cars are associated with older people, most kids and teenagers wouldn't mind having a car that looks like a Bentley, Rolls Royce, etc.
2. A LOT of teenagers are taller than many adults today. Therefore, you need a lot of room for the driver. I really want an SRT-4, but I may not be able to get it since I'm 6'3" (and growing), and when the Dodge dealership let me sit in it, I barely had any room. The only way for me to get my legs under the steering wheel so I had decent access to the brake pedal, was to have the chair all the way back and have the seat leaning back. When I sat like this, I could reach to shift, but not very comfortably, and holding the shifting knob while driving would be very uncomfortable and hard.
3. And yes, the "bling" factor. So many people watch shows like Pimp My Ride, MTV Cribs (where there are lots of black people that have 24 chrome forged rims, etc.), and rappers' music videos.
4. Finally, the car is awesome inside. You really feel like you're sitting in a $60,000 sedan for half the price.
FreeLantz
11-21-2004, 01:37 PM
Dude, I think you're totally missing the point. I have disliked Mustangs all my life, but you gotta admit, Ford did EVERYTHING RIGHT with the new Mustang! It looks like a slightly modernized Shelby-designed Mustang! It shares all the design elements of the original classic, but gives it a modern feel. The new Charger looks like ass, it doesn't share hardly ANY styling cues of the original 68-70 Chargers (let alone the early 70's ones), it's not retro in ANY WAY -- except for a powerful motor with hemispherical heads and a "Hemi" badge on it!
They were on the right track back in the late 90's with the prototype they had conceived under a different design engineer, but that train got horribly derailed. And to FreeLantz, no, I don't think the words "travesty" and "shameful" are too strong...maybe you aren't a one-time classic Charger owner, seeing what Ford resurrected so beautifully with their 'Stang, and seeing how SHITTY a job Dodge did with the new Charger!
Poor, poor, poor. I'm so glad they made the Magnum though, I'd take the Magnum over the 4-door grocery-Charger anyday.
Ford did not innovate or create anything original with the 2005 Mustang. They simply updated a 35-year old design and are calling it new. Obviously it looks good. The classic Mustangs were great looking cars! But there is nothing new about that.
DCX has created a look with the 300, Magnum, and Charger that will change the design of many other cars on the market in the next few years.....much the same way the "cab-forward" look in the 90's did.
I'd rather support a company that designs and engineers exciting NEW products without throwing out its heritage (read: HEMI and RWD) than a company that simply recycles the one thing it did right in 100 years of existence over and over!
E8502
11-21-2004, 02:23 PM
That's very true. I'm only 17, and if someone gave me a choice of a few modern day coupes and a 300C, I'd probably take the 300C for a number of reasons:
1. It looks awesome. Even if luxury cars are associated with older people, most kids and teenagers wouldn't mind having a car that looks like a Bentley, Rolls Royce, etc.
2. A LOT of teenagers are taller than many adults today. Therefore, you need a lot of room for the driver. I really want an SRT-4, but I may not be able to get it since I'm 6'3" (and growing), and when the Dodge dealership let me sit in it, I barely had any room. The only way for me to get my legs under the steering wheel so I had decent access to the brake pedal, was to have the chair all the way back and have the seat leaning back. When I sat like this, I could reach to shift, but not very comfortably, and holding the shifting knob while driving would be very uncomfortable and hard.
3. And yes, the "bling" factor. So many people watch shows like Pimp My Ride, MTV Cribs (where there are lots of black people that have 24 chrome forged rims, etc.), and rappers' music videos.
4. Finally, the car is awesome inside. You really feel like you're sitting in a $60,000 sedan for half the price.*Nods*
Good points... My nephew is going to be 15, he's set on a new 300 or Charger as his first car.
Sadly, most teens acn't affored the $32K the C starts at, but I'm sure many wouldn't mind even the base 300, as it's a wonderful car too.
six pack
11-21-2004, 04:50 PM
My boss said he was talking with Dieter at the recent Las Vegas showing for all the dealers, he asked him a bout a 2 dr sports car to compete with the mustang.
The answer was what we have all heard before, "there is no money in building a 2dr car"
Guess were not going to get anything soon:(
The new Chrysler FirePower does look intersting though:)
http://autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=101260
vipergts2
11-22-2004, 06:32 AM
Some people are saying if you want a car that looks like a 69 charger, go buy a 69 charger. That is missing the point. some of us want the "look" of a vintage muscle car with the modern comfort and convenience of a new car. we want to be able to start the car at any time and drive it anywhere without worrying if it's going to make it. And god forbid we get in a crash we will be safe and we know we can get parts. Plus the fact remains they teased us all with the 99 concept car that many of us begged for.
Just my 2 cents
Coelacanth
11-22-2004, 10:32 PM
Some people are saying if you want a car that looks like a 69 charger, go buy a 69 charger. That is missing the point. some of us want the "look" of a vintage muscle car with the modern comfort and convenience of a new car.
Exactly--what a bloody ridiculous thing to say, eh? How many of us will ever get the chance to have a car like a late-60's/early 70's Charger? (Luckily, I'm one of the few who is in this category...my first car was a rusty beater 1970 Charger 500 that has since gone through about a 70% restoration, and eventually will be mint...so obviously I'm biased. Haha!) But the point the other guy (98PLUMCRAZYRAM) made was asinine.
The recent resurgence of muscle-car names is all about hitting the high points of the "legendary car"'s design cues, while modernizing it with respect to performance, fuel economy, electronics, etc...like it or not, something Ford did quite nicely with the new Mustang. No, it's NOT just a resurrection of an old body with no technological advancements whatsoever. It's a brand-new car! Didn't y'all see it coming? Ever since the death of the butt-ugly 5.0L Puss-tangs, Ford has been moving closer and closer to a rebirth of their ever-classic pony-car. I've seen the new 'Stang at a local dealership; it's fine-looking (no I don't want one, and never WILL want one), and CHEAP!
Isn't that what muscle-cars are all about?! Cheap performance?? The Charger may not be the best example, but the Roadrunners and Superbees of the muscle-car era were all about kick-ass performance at affordable prices (why else did so many teenagers kill themselves in horrible high-speed accidents, back in 'the day'?).
The 2006 Charger doesn't exemplify ANY of these ideals, nor does it resurrect many traditions--other than the HEMI badge and head technology. It's sad, really--but they WERE on the right track with the '99 concept Charger.
98PLUMCRAZYRAM
11-23-2004, 10:27 AM
Sorry Colcaneth but i have owned plenty of old mopars 74 Duster, 74 Charger and i now have a 71 Challenger with a built 440 and too many mods to list! myself im a ASE certified and have a Double major in Automotive and Autobody repair and my family has been selling cars for over 50 years and my grandfather owned a Dodge Dealership in the 60's all the way through the 80's and a Honda dealership and currently a Used car lot. So trust me buddy i know a thing or two about car sales! ;) and as far as the 69 charger i was referring to how everyone hates the way this new Charger looks, I personally like it! WHY because it is not a rehased design! look at the PT cruiser! it's retro and not doing so hot in sales!
the mustang is different because it was " the first musclecar " (although the barracuda did come out before it by a few weeks) it has that stigma jammed on that car for the rest of eternity and will never live it down! SO of course it will sell like hotcakes and their design is a solid one, although maybe a bit risky because what happens when Design ideas stop and all we can look at is what was already made and milk it? i would rather see advancement in designing like the 99 concept looked at the time and not see manufacturers going back in time for design cues, don't get me wrong i still wouldnt trade any of my old mopars in but one can't be the other and vice versa! confused now! :huh: lol
later guys and remeber it's still gonna be a RWD HEMI! OHH yeah! :D
StreetRacer
11-23-2004, 08:13 PM
I just showed pictures of the 06 to a friend of mine who has fond memories of the old Aussie Charger she had in her younger days.
She asked me to say that she loves it and that it is right up her alley as she has a family and would love to own the 06 as she thinks it looks great and would meet her needs also as she is a mother of three.
Maybee DCX is on to something here as most of the people who could afford this car in Australia are middle aged with children with keen memories the muscle cars of their youth.
I think DCX see the need to attract new blood to the show rooms and this could be the car to do it.
I can't wait to see public response to the official release.
FreeLantz
11-23-2004, 08:25 PM
That's actually an interesting perspective.... we dont hear a lot about the Aussie Chargers here but this time around, I would assume the Australian market will get basically the same Charger we'll get. Maybe too soon to know for sure?
Or maybe E8502 will have some info on that....
TR4Petty
11-24-2004, 11:47 PM
Jinxmasta, the SRT-4 is a Neon! It is a turbo'd and tuned Neon but still a 4-door Neon and even if the kids would accept it due to its hot little engine, they couldn't afford the price tag.
Sixpack, I find it extremely hard to believe that there is NO money in building 2-door coupes. If that was the case, the brand-X's wouldn't come in 2-door coupe versions either. Nobody wants to lose money. I'm sure there is LESS money in 2-door coupes. But that is a very short-sighted way to do business. Like I said before. You need to get the younger crowd interested in your products to secure your future business and MOST younger folks, like my two teens, don't want a 4-door sedan regardless of how much you dress it up.
Jinxmasta
11-25-2004, 06:19 AM
I will never believe the SRT-4 is a Neon no matter what anyone says.
Neon = Rental car.
SRT-4 = Pure bred racing machine.
Too bad I can't fit in the SRT-4 though, so I'll have to go with a Stratus COUPE RT (at least Dodge has one coupe).
six pack
11-25-2004, 09:20 PM
Sixpack, I find it extremely hard to believe that there is NO money in building 2-door coupes. If that was the case, the brand-X's wouldn't come in 2-door coupe versions either. Nobody wants to lose money. I'm sure there is LESS money in 2-door coupes.
Don't forget, GM killed the Camaro and firebird for these reasons.
98PLUMCRAZYRAM
11-25-2004, 10:28 PM
hmm (TRX petty you said "Im sure there is less money in 2-door coupes")
Ummm NO lets see even if 250,000 people wanted and had cash already pre-ordered a 2 door Charger they still wouldnt build one just because 250,000 people had the money and wanted one! lets see your general Die for say a driver side fender outer shell might cost somewhere in the range from 1.5 to 2 million dollars and thats just the outer shell of the fender then they take another Die
for the inside fender (i.e. Dakota) plunk down another 1.5 mil on that die and we still don't have a complete fender for the driver side! take the setup of the Assembly line to weld those 2 fender pieces together to make a fender and well im not even gonna go there! And exactly as Sixpack said That's why there is no Camaro or Firebird, there is no market for a 2 Door RWD V8 car just look at that lame duck GTO! yeah the kids all want em but don't have the cash and the older folks won't want them because they can't haul anyone else around and are harder to get in and out of! and im talking about the Majority here which is what manufacturers look at! They don't say "Well those guy's have really been loyal we need to take a loss on each car so they can have what they want!" Sorry folks but no buisness works like that, that i know of! ;)
Jinxmasta
11-26-2004, 06:34 AM
Don't forget, GM killed the Camaro and firebird for these reasons.
And also because a ton of people thought they were way too tacky and rednecky cars (no offense but that's what people thought).
Jinxmasta
11-26-2004, 06:35 AM
hmm (TRX petty you said "Im sure there is less money in 2-door coupes")
Ummm NO lets see even if 250,000 people wanted and had cash already pre-ordered a 2 door Charger they still wouldnt build one just because 250,000 people had the money and wanted one! lets see your general Die for say a driver side fender outer shell might cost somewhere in the range from 1.5 to 2 million dollars and thats just the outer shell of the fender then they take another Die
for the inside fender (i.e. Dakota) plunk down another 1.5 mil on that die and we still don't have a complete fender for the driver side! take the setup of the Assembly line to weld those 2 fender pieces together to make a fender and well im not even gonna go there! And exactly as Sixpack said That's why there is no Camaro or Firebird, there is no market for a 2 Door RWD V8 car just look at that lame duck GTO! yeah the kids all want em but don't have the cash and the older folks won't want them because they can't haul anyone else around and are harder to get in and out of! and im talking about the Majority here which is what manufacturers look at! They don't say "Well those guy's have really been loyal we need to take a loss on each car so they can have what they want!" Sorry folks but no buisness works like that, that i know of! ;)
How do you explain the success of the Mustang?
Plumcrazy
11-26-2004, 07:49 AM
DC better get thier head outta thier asses....a TWO frwaking door?...come'on guys....listen to what the public says and wants for cryin out loud.....
its a sad, sad day when a charger is built in a four door version and HEMI=SLOW
GMconvert
11-27-2004, 07:47 PM
I think Dodge already has their money losing, or maybe barely profitable, two-door car out there. The Viper. I sure don't see many of those around! Granted they are very expensive.
I guess I will have to wait until the January auto shows or Daytona to see how the new Charger really looks. :YUK:
GMconvert
11-27-2004, 07:51 PM
How do you explain the success of the Mustang?
I sure don't know. But how the hell do people fit in them? It must be a dwarf conspiracy!! 6'3" and I sure don't fit.
Jinxmasta
11-29-2004, 05:06 AM
I'm 6'3" and I can somewhat fit in a Mustang, but I can't fit in an SRT-4 (which is a 4 door).
vipergts2
11-29-2004, 06:24 AM
I have read rumors that GM is bringing back the Camaro and the Firebird, and you can bet they wont be four doors. Also I thought the viper was making money, both in profits from the car and publicity. I dont think it would cost that much more to build a coupe along side the sedan.
GMconvert
11-29-2004, 05:31 PM
I'm 6'3" and I can somewhat fit in a Mustang, but I can't fit in an SRT-4 (which is a 4 door).
I personally am not going to pay $25,000 for the base GT and "somewhat fit." My days of doing that are over! When I look at new vehicles I adjust the seat to where it is comfortable for me and then try sitting behind it. If I don't fit in the back seat after adjusting the front, I start to have serious reservations about the vehicle.
I have been in late model Camaros and Mustangs and the back seat is a joke. Hell, that's most of the reason I went back to a truck, I fit in it!
Just my $0.02
Bil Burke
11-30-2004, 06:09 PM
I wonder if this thing has been in the wind tunnel. It looks as about as aerodynamic as a brick. And they think this is the car they will use for NASCAR? The 2000 Show car would do a better job. But what do we know, were Americans, not Germans. Dont tell the germans how to build a car, they already know what you like.
Jinxmasta
11-30-2004, 06:59 PM
At least it's more aerodynamic than a Scion x(B or A... Not sure which one is the box).
DRAGNZ24
11-30-2004, 07:27 PM
Looks very close to the mustang
pyrocrat
11-30-2004, 11:34 PM
In NASCAR all the cars are identical, a universal set of templates are used so they perform identically on the track.The lights and grills are decals .Window shapes and a few minor details dictate /denote the make of the car.Only the names are changed to protect the innocent !
E8502
12-01-2004, 02:30 PM
DC better get thier head outta thier asses....a TWO frwaking door?...come'on guys....listen to what the public says and wants for cryin out loud.....
its a sad, sad day when a charger is built in a four door version and HEMI=SLOWThat's funny. Because a Charger SRT-8 will do 0-60 in under 5 seconds.
six pack
12-01-2004, 09:22 PM
In NASCAR all the cars are identical, a universal set of templates are used so they perform identically on the track.The lights and grills are decals .Window shapes and a few minor details dictate /denote the make of the car.Only the names are changed to protect the innocent !
Better take a closer look, the front ends are similar, but the rear are different.
Each manufacturer has different templates and spoiler angles/heights.
I think the roof line may be the same though.
fmdog44
12-05-2004, 10:59 AM
It was Hot Rod mag or Truck Trends I got yesterday that had a picture of the 06 Charger and the comment was it looked like your momma's four door you rode to school in.
drtbkr
12-05-2004, 04:39 PM
I had the sense it was going to look more like this:
See page 26 og Hot Rod Mag Jan. issue for the Charger. It also shows the Chevy Trailblazer for 2006 as an "SS". Also on page 95 it says the 05 Mustang computer was programmed (Like the Hemi) for "No Burnouts Allowed. But, unlike the Hemi computer the president of SuperChips CustomTuner got his laptop hooked up and figured out how to override the Mustang computer in a manner of minutes. Too bad for us hemi owners.
sikpuppy
12-06-2004, 09:28 AM
You need to check out the Spypic new Dodge Charger thread for a better idea of the new Charger.
sofast785
12-06-2004, 12:30 PM
Hey, I just found some pics of the Charger testing for nascar. Go to autoweek.com "Charger spypic" or jayski.com. You'll see the Nascar version with the black nose on it, and Strangely enough, they're comparing it to the 99 concept....
E8502
12-07-2004, 03:23 PM
Pictures of the NASCAR Version can be seen in the DCX sketch.
