Ear drum removed!!!!

[MAGGY]

Well that is what i have affectionately the air silencer. This does just that, silences the engine. I was looking into the intake system on this car, trying to figure out how to make it better. I started by taking out the filter to trace the air supply. With the filter removed, i noticed a little hole that the motor gets its air from. At this point i realize this air silencer has to go. I jack up the car and remove the front drive side wheel. I start to remove the clips and screws the hold the fender well, and front air dam to gain acces to the "ear drum" . I notice there is one bolt holding this in so i grap the sockets and go to work. The space was tight because i couldnt get all of the clips off, but in the end i pulled it out This thing i huge, restrictive, and in my opinion not needed. Before my car did not make a sound. Now the engine has a growl like an Impala, or Marauder. It sounds like a V8 now. I have not dynoed the car, but the car feels stronger now as air is more readily available. No wories about water ingestion, the entire chamber where the engine gets its air is "sealed". I am thinking of adding either some holes, or a tube to increase air flow. I cant wait to add the exhause and complete the sound.

Picture discriptions:
1. side shot
2. view from under the air filter
3. shot to show size
4. this is the actual intake side of the "ear drum" this part sucks from the inside fender.
5. This is the section where it is located, the small square represents where the intake actually sucks from.

[DurangoDude]

You should check out the air intake from www.360airintakez.com. First one I've seen available for the Magnums.

[MAGGY]

Thanks, Ive seen that one before. the problem is, air does not circulate at the part. I beleive the filter should be mounted down in the fender where the green square is. that is where the cool air is coming from.

[WumpscuT]

thanks for the pics... we need more of that in this forum....

[dpacella]

So if you put on the 360 intake, does that part with the pic stay in or is it tooken out. Or can you put the 360 intake plus do the mod like you showed in your pic

[MyRT]

So if you put on the 360 intake, does that part with the pic stay in or is it tooken out. Or can you put the 360 intake plus do the mod like you showed in your pic

This part is below the stock air box. The 360 intake still uses the stock airbox so this part is not effected. You can remove it or leave it in.

[dpacella]

so all i have to do is remove the ear drum and just mount a air filter

[MAGGY]

That is a start. If the aftermarket intakes do not tell you to remove the eardrum, then air flow is not increased. the stock setup does not have a "ram air" effect, it just sucks from a cooler place. what is needed is a filter that actually sits down in the "cubby hole" that the ear drum sits. At this point, a K&N panel filter, with a hose to bring fresh air directly to the box would probably work better. That is the next thing i plan to do.

[chrisandclauida]

i see you found some trash in there as well. i bet getting rid of that john kerry sticker is worth 5 or 10 hp.

[xxumattuxx]

i see you found some trash in there as well. i bet getting rid of that john kerry sticker is worth 5 or 10 hp.

lol, 5 or 10 to the wheels

[MAGGY]

Sorry, the sticker stays even though it is not worth any HP. However, having him as the next OFFICIALLY ELECTED president will be worth partial piece of mind.

Kerry 04

[WumpscuT]

LOL... too funny....

Go Bush!!!

[Cal Jeff]

GOP is the way to be.

[Mosie]

I wonder if the computer is making usage of the increased amount of air? I think all the information in this post to increase air flow is great!!
Thanks for that.


Since neither Kerry or Bush have stated how they are going to increase the HP of the common US citizen, not only am I disappointed, I'm still undecided!
:drivingz:
Give me HP, or give me death!

[MAGGY]

I wonder if the computer is making usage of the increased amount of air? I think all the information in this post to increase air flow is great!!
Thanks for that.
:drivingz:
Give me HP, or give me death!

Although i can not say for sure, I can say that on top end the car seems to pull alot stronger especially with the cooler temperatures we are having in the Washington d.c. area!!! I still need to run the tube to create a "ram" effect. Also, to hear the engine now is a plus!!

[MagnumFreak]

I can say that by modifying the exhaust my computer is definitely taking advantage of the increased outlet flow. 0-60 times are much better. Initial tests before the modification showed average times of 6.17 seconds. I ran it yesterday and today to see if the numbers duplicated which they did. First time was 5.45 (or something like that it was more than a couple of hours ago memory is getting short). Second day was 5.55 (100% sure of that number). I have a cold air intake that should be here today which will get installed this weekend. This will give the engine more air in and the exhaust gives the capability of more air out. I will post info as it becomes available.

[HEMI_RT]

Thanks MagnumFreak!
I look forward to reading your posts. Just let me know when you have found a way to reprogram the computer :rck:

[maherm]

Well that is what i have affectionately the air silencer. This does just that, silences the engine. I was looking into the intake system on this car, trying to figure out how to make it better. I started by taking out the filter to trace the air supply. With the filter removed, i noticed a little hole that the motor gets its air from. At this point i realize this air silencer has to go. I jack up the car and remove the front drive side wheel. I start to remove the clips and screws the hold the fender well, and front air dam to gain acces to the "ear drum" . I notice there is one bolt holding this in so i grap the sockets and go to work. The space was tight because i couldnt get all of the clips off, but in the end i pulled it out This thing i huge, restrictive, and in my opinion not needed. Before my car did not make a sound. Now the engine has a growl like an Impala, or Marauder. It sounds like a V8 now. I have not dynoed the car, but the car feels stronger now as air is more readily available. No wories about water ingestion, the entire chamber where the engine gets its air is "sealed". I am thinking of adding either some holes, or a tube to increase air flow. I cant wait to add the exhause and complete the sound.

Picture discriptions:
1. side shot
2. view from under the air filter
3. shot to show size
4. this is the actual intake side of the "ear drum" this part sucks from the inside fender.
5. This is the section where it is located, the small square represents where the intake actually sucks from.
saw the water jug shped resonators and patch the holes and toy got youself a cold air intake that fits perfectly with no cost....i will do that for sure

[Herb Jenssen]

How are you obtaining your 0 to 60 times?
Thanks
Herb

[MagnumFreak]

Beltronics FX2 accelerometer. Works pretty good and it is easy to use. Less than 175 bucks.

[SRT8]

Maggy, Great job on the pictures. I removed mine on Saturday after reading about this removal. My magnum sound's better and I can feel the difference in the low end and high end. :rck:

[Coelacanth]

Maggy, Great job on the pictures. I removed mine on Saturday after reading about this removal. My magnum sound's better and I can feel the difference in the low end and high end. :rck:
This is one of the first things I plan to do when I buy my Magnum...can you give any more tips on its removal? Things to watch out for, make it easier, etc.?

[Geophrum]

is this ear drum removal also able to be done in the SXT?

[MAGGY]

Its pretty straight forward. The only bottleneck i experienced was the fender clips. I could not figure out how to get them out with out breaking something. I just had to wedge my hand in and use an extention on my ratchet to get to the one bold that holds it in.

Geophrum

I am pretty sure its on your car also. If you take your filter out and see a funnel shaped black hole, then its there. Just get under the car and get that crap out of there. Especially with the cooler temperatures coming, you will benefit from the extra air!!!!

[Geophrum]

one small question i am planning on doing this but will it void DC warrenty? i got there 5007 warenty plan just for my wifes state of mind...me personaly i think it is money not well spent....but anyways if i take this off and soemthing happens will i need to put it back on? or do they not care about this?

[MagnumFreak]

one small question i am planning on doing this but will it void DC warrenty? i got there 5007 warenty plan just for my wifes state of mind...me personaly i think it is money not well spent....but anyways if i take this off and soemthing happens will i need to put it back on? or do they not care about this?

No, it will not void your warranty. It will void the warranty on the stock "ear drum". Why? Because it is not there anymore. ;) Now, if you roll in with a supercharger under the hood and you are complaining that your engine blew up.... you might have a problem convincing them to cover that under warranty. :drivingz:

Essentially they have to prove that what you changed caused the problem.

[Geophrum]

great, Thanks magnumfreak... i will remove it tomorrow and while i am there i may just have to look at and see if i can make a CAI for it my self seeing there is none for the SXTs yet.

[Coelacanth]

Geophrum, please post your observations and experiences removing the "ear drum" when you've completed removing it. The more 'hands-on' experiences, the better. :) Thanks

[Geophrum]

i will take pictures of the progress as i go to help out as much as i can

[Geophrum]

OK took it off today. did notice that the highend pulls a little more and it has a slightly louder grumble. actually pretty good and not that hard to do. as Maggy said there are little clips along the fender that don't want to come off. and fear of braking them left only the 3 clips that are easily removes along the bottom.

I started of by first removing the air filter and box from in side the engine compartment. then i jacked up and removed the tire. the three clips along the bottom are easy, just pull the center pin out and it comes out. then carefully pull the bottom out so you can get inside you should find the bolt right close to the inner wheel well. like Maggy i took a ratchet and a 13/32 socket and a long extention and took the bolt out. the next part is pulling the ear drum out you just got to tug at it in different ways to get it you come out your little work area..

and that is it nothing to hard to do and if you don't like it it doesn't look that hard to get back in

I will put up pictures soon

[Geophrum]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/699000-699999/699603_17_full.jpg the inner wheel well...bottom clips are very easy to come off

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/699000-699999/699603_18_full.jpg the clips that dont want to come off along the fender

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/699000-699999/699603_20_full.jpg close up of the clip that doesnt want to come off

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/699000-699999/699603_19_full.jpg The "ear drum" looks a little smaller in some areas than maggy's but i am assuming that is becuase mine is an sxt and hers is an RT


hope that helps

[Coelacanth]

Thanks for that excellent walkthrough, Geophrum!

[The Chronic]

Oh man, I thought this was going to be a thread about you actually having your ear drum removed from your ear.

It hurt just thinking about it.

[w5blt]

You should check out the air intake from www.360airintakez.com. First one I've seen available for the Magnums.

I checked out the 360 on their web site and it does look interesting. I read the installation instructions and it looks like it could be installed in short order. On the other hand, I was wondering what impact on an warranties there would be?

Any ideas?

[Geophrum]

only thing that isnt covored under warrenties any more is the parts you removed. they would have a very hard time proving that an air intake caused any problems with anything else in the car.

[Cal Jeff]

Does it look the 360 Intake just sits back on top of the Eardrum :gr_patrio

[dpacella]

so when you take out the eardrum. what do you replace it with?

[Geophrum]

i havent replaced it with anything yet but you can take the air dam (ear drum) and cut the baffels off and patch the holes and replace it to have a tube direct air to the air box. i left mine off because i am going to use the space make a CAI and get rid of the air box all together. The air box still gets air with out anything there.

[dpacella]

ya but dont it suck hot air from the motor

[wombie]

Since your a Kerry supporter have given the appropriate thought of owning an "EVIL" SUV? Don't you feel terribly about poluting the environment? Be a good citizen and take the bus.

Also, the silencer keeps noise down. Please don't contribute to noise polution!!!

[wombie]

This just in Kerry now SUPPORTS SUVs!!!

[wombie]

This just in...Kerry now DOES NOT SUPPORT SUVs!!!

;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Geophrum]

the Hole from were the air dam was is still were you are getting air so when you are driveing it si still getting cooler air from were it was before. try it an dsee if you dont like it put it back.

and the noise isnt as loud as some people with bigger or replaced exahusts.. Not that loud.

and i am not a kerry supporter... nor am i a bush supporter...

"sponcered buy GOOFY for President" Vote GOOFY!!!

[dpacella]

thanks

[ELDuce]

Maggy
Did the removal of this increase your MPG at all?

[pushakey]

does anyone know what mods are being designed for the magnum srt-8?

[kenoshacas]

have you noticed any increase in gas milage from change

[hemihotrod]

Seems like a alot fo work to remove the air silencer....why not do the $10 home built ram air shown on this forum? That is a piece of engineering!! As for 360.....why would anyone waste money on there overpriced, junk systems?

[SRT8]

I removed my silencer a few days after I bought my Magnum back in Aug, The engine sound went up just a note or two (you can actually hear something under the hood). As for the $10 Ram air trick, I’m up in the air about doing it still. I'm planning on getting the K&N stage 2 intake (I've had great luck with those kits in the past).

As for gas mileage increases, maybe a mile or two per gallon, but nothing big with the mileage.

As for power, I have noticed an increase in the launching feeling, but I haven't been to the track yet to test the numbers (plan to once the track opens up again.

Hope this is helpful,


SRT 8

[Geophrum]

not really alot of work... looks like less work than the air ram thing.. and for some reason i dont know how i would feel with ac ducting under the hood of my car. even tho it may work good, but i dont think it looks good.

sound is, like SRT8 said a little louder, not much and you have to really pay attention to the feel of it before and after to notice the pull you gain. as for gas milage i dont know about that i am still less than 3k miles so i dont hav enough data on that yet.

3" PVC pipe or bent steel tubing painted or powder coated going down into the hole were the air damn was with a K&N filter at the end is what is planed for mine... will look clean and wont see the air filter just a solid tube going into the wheel well

have all the pieces (brackets, clamps, filter) except for the Tubing, just its COOOOLD out side!! so i am waiting for spring.

Filter cost the most out of all of it.. maybe the tubing will cost a little more but i am not expecting to go over $80 (maybe more if i gt powder coated steal tube) for the whole thing filter was $40 and all the brakets and clamps cost me about $10-$15

[magnuman]

I am the one that did the $10 CAI a couple months ago. It works great. The ducting I used is 3 inch aluminum flex duct and looks better than similar old style air cleaner heat ducting. I have since put a wireless remote reading thermometer in the air intake tube near the throttle body. I mounted the readout on the dash below the headlight switch. On the highway the intake air temp. is within 2 degrees of ambient. In town (in 30-40 degree weather) there is as much as 25 degrees difference. I'll probably wait until summer to see how much difference there is then. If there is much more variance from ambient I'll just insulate the air box and try to figure out how to insulate, or build an insulated replacement for the rubber flex tube also. That may be a little more work though. I've noticed that once the engine "heat soaks" the intake air temp. starts to increase. When engine is cold, the temp. is close to ambient. Bottom line is that engine heat DOES affect intake air from the box through the tube unless it is well insulated, or your on the highway passing more air at increase velocity. I would like to see how much difference there is on some of the aftermarket CAI's. Are they worse, similar or better in temperature variance from ambient? Has anyone done this kind of check?