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delosh
07-05-2004, 08:50 PM
Hello all,
I have a supercharged 2000 Durango 4x4. My latest mod was lowering it 2 inches. I installed a DJM block kit in the rear and loosened the torsion bars in the front. As needed, to offset the shorter suspension travel, I cut the bump stops down - 2 inches off in rear and cut the fronts in half. I replaced my worn Edelbrock IAS shocks with new Bilsteins (2wd models in rear - shorter).

Now, my quest is to restore the ride quality. I am looking for creative and intelligent solutions. If your suggestions are to raise it back up or ask "why would you lower a 4x4", please keep them to yourself :) .

There are 2 issues.

The first problem is suspension travel. It bottoms out pretty hard (with a loud clank) on occasion. More often on short jolts at high speeds. My opinion is that my shorter bump stops are compressing enough to allow the rear axle (or control arm in the front) to come in contact with the metal cups that hold the bump stops. If I added a 2 inch block in the rear, and compensated by cutting 2 inches off the bump stop, why does it (the rear) bottom out easier now? Should I remove the bump stops and replace them with a different style (thus eliminating the metal cup)? Could something else be making the contact?

The second problem is the weak spring rate in the front. Since I have removed some spring from the front - now I need to add some back while retaining the lowered height. One solution would be new torsion bars that have different mechanical qualities (stiffer). I have seen torsion bars that lift vehicles - I just need the opposite. The more likely solution is adjustable coil over shocks in the front. To do this, I would need to replace the upper control arms with thin tubular ones to allow room for the coil springs. I just need to know what arms and what coil overs. I would like to find a way to add coils to my new Bilsteins, rather than replace them. I found some kits for Bilsteins but not sure if they work with my models (http://www.stockcarproducts.com/coilovr1.htm). I think if I could get an adjustable coil system installed, I would be able to add just enough spring to make it right.

If you are knowledgable with custom suspensions, please chime in and see if we can finally develop a nice 2" drop for a 4wd. :help:

Thanks!
Daren Elosh
2k Supercharged 4.7L 4x4 Platinum Durango

Neil F.
07-06-2004, 05:15 AM
Hey Daren, I don't know if I can help much. Mine is 1" in back and about 1 1/4 - 1 1/2 in front. My ride is fine front and rear. The front stops had to be cut but I did not cut the rear ones at all. What about your shocks? Did you get shorter ones? They could be bottoming out also. I'd think if the cup on the front stops is making any contact, there would be marks on it or the arm.

delosh
07-06-2004, 02:14 PM
Neil,
I have read about your setup in many other posts and it has been very helpful. Actually, mine is 2" in the rear and about 1.5" in the front, so our fronts are about the same. I'll check to see if there are marks on the arms yet.

The front shocks are stock replacement Bilsteins - meaning stock length. I have been told by several sources that they don't need to be shorter. The rear Bilsteins are replacements for a 2wd model - which are about 2" shorter than the 4wd models. So I think I am good on shock length.

I really think coil overs would so the trick if I can get them to fit as well as utilizing my Bilstein shocks. Maybe I could fabricate some spring mounts just like the ones shown in the link from my original post (if those won't work).

By the way, I also have the Hotchkis Sport sway bars.

Thanks,
Daren

delosh
07-06-2004, 08:02 PM
UPDATE:
I found what is hitting in the rear. The shortened bump stops are hitting the axle right between the huge U-bolt arches. The tops of the U-bolt arches are hitting the steel plate that the bump stop mounts to. Looks like I need to find different style bump stops.

I am wondering if I should cut off the entire bump stop mounting cups in the front and replace them with a different style bump stop (maybe the same height, but without the steel cup). I read about this procedure for the Hotchkis TVS system for the 2wds. See here: Hotchkis TVS Install (http://www.dakota-durango.com/tips/tips_hotchkis.htm)

The best solution would be re-engineered torsion bars or torsion keys - but nobody is interested in making them. AIM Industries said maybe eventually they'll make the torsion keys (they have them for chevys).

Later,
Daren

TheRango
07-06-2004, 10:45 PM
Hey Daren-

what super charger did you go with? I'm lookin...

Sorry i have no ideas for the suspension...

Kai

Neil F.
07-07-2004, 05:34 AM
Good you found it. The sport truck community has all sorts of bump stops available. I have also been supprised that no one has made any torsion keys. I guess it's just such a limited application.

delosh
07-07-2004, 08:45 AM
Kai-
Kenne Bell. I got it from Bob Kennedy at Kennedy's Dynotune - GREAT company to deal with!

I have learned that the control arms are different for the 2wd and 4wd. There are no aftermarket control arms available for the 4wd. This means that fitting a coil-over shock in there will be very difficult. I did talk to a racing suspension company that could "build" a coil-over shock to spec, but the only specs I have is the dimensions and travel. They would need to know dampening rate, rebound rate and spring rate for the coil. Whatever it ends up being, the spring rate would have to be adjustable (with a threaded sleeve) since this is the unknown. I called Bilstein to get a spec sheet for my shocks and they said "we don't have anything like that". It has to exist somewhere, don't ya think?

Daren

ruswilliams
07-07-2004, 01:08 PM
I have a Kenne Bell for sale. See my sig.

delosh-

Could you post a pic of your ride. I would kinda like to see what this is looking like for you.

Also, DJM Suspension (www.djmsuspension.com) might be able to assist you in parts, they were the supplier for our Shelby Durango's.

-Russ

delosh
07-07-2004, 10:02 PM
DJM was no help. I tried to get a hold of their discontinued 3" 4wd kit. He blamed the discontinuation on the lack of quality control from Dodge. He said the trucks were inconsistent. They don't have anything for the front end.

Attatched are 2 pics. They're not that great - it was too dark.

Image 1 (http://eloshdesign.com/7_7_04_images/Lowered_Small1.jpg)

Image 2 (http://eloshdesign.com/7_7_04_images/Lowered_Small2.jpg)

Daren

ruswilliams
07-07-2004, 10:17 PM
I like it however. It looks nice.

Sorry, I'm not sure how else to help. I'm def. not a suspension expert.

-Russ