1'4 mile times!

[Herb Jenssen]

Well, I finally took my Magnum to the track last Wednesday.
I drove there the week before and it was rained out just as I pulled up.
The temp. was 86 degrees and it was humid.
I had a half tank of 87 octane or whatever mid grade is.. The Magnum had 1,152 mi on the odometer. This is at sea level.
This was my best run of the night. ESP was off. 14.702 @ 95.23
60'=2.199
330'=6.234
1/8=9.484@77.14
1000'=12.311
The worst out of 4 runs was 14.865 @ 94.18
ESP on was 14.849 @ 95.07. Not much different!
There was very good traction with all the rubber. Of course mine doesn't spin anyway!

I was hoping to get a few more runs after it cooled off some but as fate would have it the rain came again and it was called off.

I've been to the Attorneys General about my problems with DM on performance and the tow package they said I had.
On there web site where it used to say it was installed on the RT,well, when I went up to copy it for my records they had changed the whole site. It doesn't say that anymore.
HMMMM! I sure wish I would have printed it out. Oh Well!
Later
Herb

[Andy]

damn, pretty impressive

[rampower]

HMMMM! I sure wish I would have printed it out. Oh Well!
Later
Herb

Check your "Cache" files on your computer. I am not sure if I.E. overwrites the cached file when a web page is updated but you could check.

[Ani Wa Hya]

What kind of MPG are you getting from your vehicle ?

Where did you run your mag R/T ?

I'm in Jax.

[Herb Jenssen]

Ani,
I ran the car at "no problem Raceway" which is near Donaldsonville,la

I just came back from a 1400 mi trip and averaged about 20 to 21 mpg at 76 avg mph.
Later
Herb

[Cal Jeff]

Hey Herb,

Those are pretty good numbers. What was your reaction time? :drivingz:

[steelerman]

There are times my RT feels fast and others it doesn't. When taking off there seems to be a slow spot and then it takes off. I guess I just need to get used to it.

[Ani Wa Hya]

Hi, thanks for the reply.
Yeh the sag, lag, bottom drops and that second serge you feel, is the way it is suposed to feel all the time.
The computer takes a break and then steps on it.
I think this will be a tranny issue or a chip issue.
Either way, it's wrong, why settle for less.
Take the SRT-10 Ram for a ride, even the manual transmission in that, doesn't lag as much as the Magnum R/T.
I checked all fluids today, I have 2,156 miles and I bought it on the 11th of last July.
It hasn't changed, all cars that are close....head to head....gain the moment the computer starts to think....the ground they gain then, seals the deal...they win.
If I put this engine with a manual trans. or a non-gas saver tranny.
I could smoke them.
I'm going to try the dyno in a couple of days to see where and when the problem occurs.
I don't want to take it to the local strip...only to be embarassed.

[Honest Al]

Herb,
Were you shifting it yourself or letting the tranny do it?

[Los Lobo]

I let the tranny shift in auto, 90% of the time. I haven't been able to see any advantage in doing it manually, after several test tanks.

I got the Dyno results back and there is only 264-hp / 268-hp in 4 runs.

This is a far cry from the 340-hp that Dodge claims.

I don't see how they can even claim 340-hp at the crank.

Is there anyone with real knowledge of the engines, able to prove me or Dodge right or wrong ?

I only wanted the orriginal 430-hp that was first advertised by dodge.
Then I settled for the 340-hp that Dodge advertised, as long as I could get the extra 100-hp after I bought the car.

I thought I only needed another 100-hp, now it seems as if I'm going to need 250-hp at the crank to get the orriginal 430-hp that they advertised.

Isn't there some kind of standard for the miles per gallon, a percentage with in the honest range.
What about the HP, isn't there some type of standard of accuracy, or do I just give them the oppourtunity to buy it back, because it is not as represented.
Another words, FALSE ADVERTISING !

They show it beating a sports car, they dubbed audio of some sweet sounding truck, the "sweet exhaust rattle" of the early 70's doesn't even belong to the Magnum or to the Hemi.
Come on DODGE ANSWER !!!

[PropMan]

18-22% loss from the crank to the rear wheels on a stock, production car is about the BEST you can hope for. 268 at the rear wheels on a chassis dyno seems to be right on to me. Dodge has nothing to apologize for--at least as far as the HP rating of the hemi is concerned . . .

If you put the car in first gear and let it rip the tranny will shift at about 200 rpm below redline.

[Honest Al]

You can figure a 20% drivetrain loss w/auto trans. 340HPX.80=272 at the wheels. So you are down 6-8 HP from what is advertised, gonna have a tough time getting anything out of Dodge with that kind of disparity. As far as the 430HP from what I understand this is from the 6.1L Hemi (STR-8). This engine will not have the MDS that yours does. If you really want this HP level a nice 150 shot of N2O should get you there a lot cheaper than forking over the big bucks for the SRT-8. If you just want it a lot quicker, leave the motor alone and swap those 2.82 gears for some in the 3.90 to 4.10 range, then buy stock in a tire manufacturer.:drivingz:

[Los Lobo]

Thanks for the response Al,

The point is that I complained about the lack of a quick response and that it was slow. Two dealers here told me that it had to be broken in and then it would be fine. I told them both that I have a heavy foot and that I wanted speed like my 350-Z in a larger car.
Then I was told that the break-in period was 1000-miles, then 2,000 miles before a hemi breaks in, now I have 3,300-miles on it.
Is it broke-in yet ?

If so, I didn't get what was advertised.

If you went to a boat dealer and told him you wanted a 34-ft. center console, and he delivered a 27-ft. boat.
You wouldn't be happy and he would be answering to the State Attny.
Telling them and you that the other 7-8-ft. or 21-23 percent of your boat will show up after 3,000 waves or 1-typhoon, which ever comes first.

[Los Lobo]

Thanks for the response Al,

The point is that I complained about the lack of a quick response and that it was slow. Two dealers here told me that it had to be broken in and then it would be fine. I told them both that I have a heavy foot and that I wanted speed like my 350-Z in a larger car.
Then I was told that the break-in period was 1000-miles, then 2,000 miles before a hemi breaks in, now I have 3,300-miles on it.
Is it broken-in yet ? :eek:

If so, I didn't get what was advertised. :VHOT:

If you went to a boat dealer and told him you wanted a 34-ft. center console, and he delivered a 27-ft. boat.
You wouldn't be happy and he would be answering to the State Attny.
Telling them and you that the other 7-8-ft. or 21-23 percent of your boat will show up after 3,000 waves or 1-typhoon, which ever comes first. :help:

[MagnumFreak]

It amazes me how fast people want to blame the manufacturer because a dyno run didn't meet their expectations. Have you ever considered:

1. When was the last time the dyno was calibrated??
2. Is the dyno temperature, barometric pressure and humidity compensated?
3. When was the last time the temperature, pressure and humidity sensors were calibrated? These instruments drift and need to be periodically tested and calibrated. Most shops will not spend the money to have this done.
4. Have you tested the car on more than one dyno?
5. Here is one that most people don't think of..... YOU CANNOT GET ACCURATE DYNO RESULTS WITH THIS CAR!!!! The ESP system limits torque and hp because it detects the back wheels are spinning and the front are not. "Yeah but I had ESP turned off". You cannot fully disable ESP. When in the off position ESP's program is just reduced not turned off. Reduced by about 50%. That is why most graphs from dyno's have oscillations in them. The ESP is regulating output. The only way to get an accurate result is to fully disable the esp which no one has figured out how to do yet.

So the car is not a 1/4 mile demon. It was never advertised as such. It is a 4,100+ pound brick (albeit a really good looking brick). It has a rear end gear designed for highway cruising not the drag strip. Want better acceleration, change the rear end gear but say goodbye to gas mileage.

There will always be variations in the performance of cars by any manufacturer. There is no way to avoid it. Some cars are just going to do better than others even within the same car line like the LX's. Want your Hemi to run better. Drop a CAI in and put on a performance exhaust. Let that Hemi Breathe! I know one person who did this and their car will chirp the tires going into second.

If your car is off by 5 to 10 HP, OH Well! Nothing you can do about it and I don't believe DC should have to do anything about it. Take a two piles of identical parts and put together two engines and I bet you their hp and torque's will be different. It is the nature of the mechanical beast. No amount of engineering will ever be able to explain it or get rid of it.

I am not sure what the problem is. Maybe they got dusted by a 4 banger while drag racing from light to light and they got their feelings hurt. :bawl: If you wanted a drag racer then you should have bought a Camaro (when they were still being made) or maybe a Corvette. But for Gods sake GROW UP!

Sorry for the rant but people just need to get real! You have the coolest looking, best riding, great performing car on the market right now. Nothing else compares. ENJOY THE RIDE!

OK, pressure has vented. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Honest Al]

Freak,
Interesting point about the ESP, I was not aware that it could not be shut off completely. I used to be a "Mopar or no car" guy 20+ yrs. ago but got disgusted with the fag wheel drive "performance". Since DC has finally removed their corporate head from their rectum and started making RWD V8 cars again things are improving. Now I'm sorry that I sold my B1 heads!

[Herb Jenssen]

Los Lobo,
I've been there and done that. I totally disagree with MagnumFreak about jumping on Chrysler.
It's BY FAR the worst company I've dealt with.
You Cannot even get an area reps name from the dealers in my area.
I dug around myself for my info. My RT would not do the claimed 0 to 60.
First they said Dodge never said it would do 6.3 seconds. They said the car magazines said that, not Dodge. I showed them thier ads that said it. Then it was we will test your car and ours. Neither Magnum RT could do it!!!
The reps answer was: well it's not broke and we're not going to do anything about it.
I also was lied to that my RT had the towing package.
Chryslers answer: All our dealers are independant. You have to take it up with the dealer.
I've been to the Attorney General, Louisiana Vehicle Commision etc.
They don't do anything to them!!! Lawyers don't want to handle the case.
My next step is small claims court.
Believe me. Chrysler Customer Assistance is non exsistant as far as I'm concerned.
I'll blame the manufacture in a heart beat!!!!
Don't put out a vehicle if you can't have your people in the field well educated about that vehicle.
Don't release a vehicle to the public when you don't have the parts and accesseries that should be available for that vehicle.
In my opinion. Chrysler sucks!!!!
NOW! You can go back to your regular programing!
Later
Herb

[Honest Al]

Los Lobo,
I've been there and done that. I totally disagree with MagnumFreak about jumping on Chrysler.
It's BY FAR the worst company I've dealt with.
You Cannot even get an area reps name from the dealers in my area.
I dug around myself for my info. My RT would not do the claimed 0 to 60.
First they said Dodge never said it would do 6.3 seconds. They said the car magazines said that, not Dodge. I showed them thier ads that said it. Then it was we will test your car and ours. Neither Magnum RT could do it!!!
The reps answer was: well it's not broke and we're not going to do anything about it.
I also was lied to that my RT had the towing package.
Chryslers answer: All our dealers are independant. You have to take it up with the dealer.
I've been to the Attorney General, Louisiana Vehicle Commision etc.
They don't do anything to them!!! Lawyers don't want to handle the case.
My next step is small claims court.
Believe me. Chrysler Customer Assistance is non exsistant as far as I'm concerned.
I'll blame the manufacture in a heart beat!!!!
Don't put out a vehicle if you can't have your people in the field well educated about that vehicle.
Don't release a vehicle to the public when you don't have the parts and accesseries that should be available for that vehicle.
In my opinion. Chrysler sucks!!!!
NOW! You can go back to your regular programing!
Later
Herb
Herb,
That really sucks, they should do a recall and make whatever upgrades are necessary (Ford did exactly this when the '99 Cobras did not have the power that was advertised), there is no reason that DC could not do this. With all the hype I would expect the Hemi R/Ts to be faster than they are, I realize that they are heavy but they are promoted as perfomance cars and with a price North of $30K you should get more than high 14s. The new Mach 1s run low 13s for less money (I know that they are a lighter car but only have 281 cid compared to the Hemi's 345 cid). So I guess the answer is to be the "squeaky wheel" and hopefully they will fix it to avoid the bad PR. Also sending the complaint further up the food chain is an option, I cc'd a letter to Edsel Ford Jr. once with a copy going to the dealer that was jacking me around...and SHAZZAM!! they were tripping over each other to make me happy. Send your complaint directly to the CEO in Germany prominantly mentioning the dealer's name and his lack of customer service and see if that helps. Good luck resolving this, I hope that my suggestion helps. Al

[Herb Jenssen]

Honest Al,
If you or anyone else can find his address I will be more than happy to send him a letter.
I've sent one to Chrysler World Corporate Headquarters a few days ago.(That's all I could find on the net)

[Honest Al]

Herb,
Juergen Schrempp is the CEO, Manfred Gentz is the CFO, the only address that I could find was Stuttgart(Echterdingen)(STR/EDDS) Germany. If you send it to these gentlemen c/o Daimler Benz at this address they should get it. Be sure to cc a copy to your dealer so he knows that you won't put up w/his BS. Go get 'em!!

[Los Lobo]

It amazes me how fast people want to blame the manufacturer because a dyno run didn't meet their expectations.

First I would like to thank you for your input.
As a matter of fact, I was waiting for them to get their regularly schedueled calibration. Otherwise, like my 350-Z, I would have done the dyno before the purchase. Had I done the dyno first, I would not have made the purchase, without more information and answers to more of my questions.



Have you ever considered:

1. When was the last time the dyno was calibrated?? within the past 60-days, prior to my runs.

2. Was the dyno temperature, barometric pressure or humidity compensated for ? Actually, there was no compensation made for the temperature, barometric pressure or humidity. As I understand it, SAE has 3-different formulas to compensate for temperature, barometric pressure or humidity.
When all 3-formulas were subjected to the same Dyno Run, at the same time, there was a varrience of as much as 20-hp, Correct ?
If so...I don't see the advantage to useing either of those formulas

3. When was the last time the temperature, pressure and humidity sensors were calibrated? Again,within the past 60-days, prior to my runs.
These instruments drift and need to be periodically tested and calibrated.

Most shops will not spend the money to have this done. I'm not qualified to discuss what other shops do, never mind what most of them do.


4. Have you tested the car on more than one dyno ? No, the dyno (Eddy Current) has been used previously and proved to be very accurate.


5. Here is one that most people don't think of..... YOU CANNOT GET ACCURATE DYNO RESULTS WITH THIS CAR!!!!
OK...what's the reason for yelling at me ?
I'm not a specialist, technician or mechanic. My AZZ in the seat, let's me know how quick it is/isn't.

The ESP system limits torque and hp because it detects the back wheels are spinning and the front are not. "Yeah but I had ESP turned off". You cannot fully disable ESP. When in the off position ESP's program is just reduced not turned off. Reduced by about 50%. That is why most graphs from dyno's have oscillations in them. The ESP is regulating output. The only way to get an accurate result is to fully disable the esp which no one has figured out how to do yet.

So..would a weight, distance, elapsed time and reaction time, allow you the information, to determine the true HP and Torque ? I am not a calc./math proffesor, mechanic, tech. or engineer.
It seems to me, if the esp can't be turned off completely and nobody knows how, you can't create a formula to prove or aproximate, what the true hp/torque is.

So how can you advertise an unknown as being 340-hp, without a minimal disclaimer ?



So the car is not a 1/4 mile demon. It was never advertised as such.
That, is totally incorrect, at least for the 2005 Dodge Magnum R/T "Hemi" !There are copies of the commercials that Dodge ran, impliing that it is not only fast, but quick. This is done in their add where the Red Magnum Surfer dude beats the 2-dr. sports car. They clearly imply quick and fast, as well as the sound that we al;l know we didn't get.

It is a 4,100+ pound brick (albeit a really good looking brick, I agree, 1,000 % It is one of the top ten sharpest, vehicles of 2004/2005 and it is most definetly the best looking and fastest station wagon.).

It has a rear end gear designed for highway cruising not the drag strip. True, and the R/T should have been a higher gear. This question was asked several times og Dodge and they never responded. The gas mileage SUCKS now, I don't see how you can hurt 110.3 to 13.8 w/average of 12.0 mpg. You pretty much need that trunk area, to carry around several 5-gal. jugs of gas...hmmm maybe thats why they added the huge trunk to the chrysler 300.
I also noticed, for this big "HEMI" Dodge saw fit to give you an extra Gallon of fuel capasity, yee haa that will get me an extra 12-miles. Want better acceleration, change the rear end gear, but say goodbye to gas mileage.
ROTGLMAO !!! OK, I gotta disagree with you here. There is no "GAS MILEAGE BENNEFIT" ! I will lose nothing.
If I got good fuel consumption with this type of performance, I would be very happy. If I got the true HP thats advertised and options to increase it's quickness, I would be tickled pink !

There will always be variations in the performance of cars by any manufacturer. There is no way to avoid it. Some cars are just going to do better than others even within the same car line like the LX's. Want your Hemi to run better. Drop a CAI in and put on a performance exhaust. Let that Hemi Breathe! I know one person who did this and their car will chirp the tires going into second. Is that with the esp on/off :D What is a CAI ? I am working on driving out to Borla to have the exhaust system installed
If your car is off by 5 to 10 HP, OH Well! Nothing you can do about it and I don't believe DC should have to do anything about it. Take a two piles of identical parts and put together two engines and I bet you their hp and torque's will be different. It is the nature of the mechanical beast. No amount of engineering will ever be able to explain it or get rid of it.
Come on, you don't really believe that, do you ? :WHT:

I can agree that no 2 of anything, will be exactly alike, but they should be as close as possible, and within reason. There is no way in Hell :VHOT: 20% to 22% Variable should be accepted. What if you went to buy a diamond, bar of gold or a Gallon of gas and you only got 78% to 80% of what you paid for ?
You would have a FIT !!! :VHOT:
If not, let me know what you want to buy and I'll fill every order you place, with in 20% !
Better yet, Dodge can give me back 20% of what I paid them and I'l be happy. :rck:

I am not sure what the problem is. Maybe they got dusted by a 4 banger while drag racing from light to light and they got their feelings hurt. If you wanted a drag racer then you should have bought a Camaro (when they were still being made) or maybe a Corvette. But for Gods sake GROW UP!

Sorry for the rant but people just need to get real! You have the coolest looking (Again I agree on the looks, 1,000% best riding (come on, at best, it's average. My 97 chevy suburban has a better ride. They both have a top heavy roll feel to them in high speed turns ! ;) great performing car on the market right now. Nothing else compares.

ENJOY THE RIDE!
Trust me, I am enjoying it as much as I can I've got 3400 miles on it so far.
Oh yeh, you sound like a True Dodge/Chrysler fan. What do you think about the fix for the drift, pull, to the right that drivers are complaining about ?
The fix takes a whole day to jury rig a fix ? :YO:
OK, pressure has vented. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Honest Al]

CAI= cold air intake, it replaces the air filter, air box and some of the air inlet piping of your engine. I realize that you are not happy with the performance of your vehicle, but physics are a fact of life. Nobody can get the same reading for flywheel HP and drive wheel HP, it just ain't gonna happen on any car. Personally I think that if DC wants to make people happy and their cars faster they need to put them on a diet. Offer a stripper (base model w/Hemi) w/roll up windows, no A/C, PS and some lightweight body parts...trim the weight to 3500 lbs. and NOBODY would complain. Just my .02 :IDEA: Al

[Los Lobo]

It amazes me how fast people want to blame the manufacturer because a dyno run didn't meet their expectations.

First I would like to thank you for your input.
As a matter of fact, I was waiting for them to get their regularly schedueled calibration. Otherwise, like my 350-Z, I would have done the dyno before the purchase. Had I done the dyno first, I would not have made the purchase, without more information and answers to more of my questions.



Have you ever considered:

1. When was the last time the dyno was calibrated?? within the past 60-days, prior to my runs.

2. Was the dyno temperature, barometric pressure or humidity compensated for ? Actually, there was no compensation made for the temperature, barometric pressure or humidity. As I understand it, SAE has 3-different formulas to compensate for temperature, barometric pressure or humidity.
When all 3-formulas were subjected to the same Dyno Run, at the same time, there was a varrience of as much as 20-hp, Correct ?
If so...I don't see the advantage to useing either of those formulas

3. When was the last time the temperature, pressure and humidity sensors were calibrated? Again,within the past 60-days, prior to my runs.
These instruments drift and need to be periodically tested and calibrated.

Most shops will not spend the money to have this done. I'm not qualified to discuss what other shops do, never mind what most of them do.


4. Have you tested the car on more than one dyno ? No, the dyno (Eddy Current) has been used previously and proved to be very accurate.


5. Here is one that most people don't think of..... YOU CANNOT GET ACCURATE DYNO RESULTS WITH THIS CAR!!!!
OK...what's the reason for yelling at me ?
I'm not a specialist, technician or mechanic. My AZZ in the seat, let's me know how quick it is/isn't.

The ESP system limits torque and hp because it detects the back wheels are spinning and the front are not. "Yeah but I had ESP turned off". You cannot fully disable ESP. When in the off position ESP's program is just reduced not turned off. Reduced by about 50%. That is why most graphs from dyno's have oscillations in them. The ESP is regulating output. The only way to get an accurate result is to fully disable the esp which no one has figured out how to do yet.

So..would a weight, distance, elapsed time and reaction time, allow you the information, to determine the true HP and Torque ? I am not a calc./math proffesor, mechanic, tech. or engineer.
It seems to me, if the esp can't be turned off completely and nobody knows how, you can't create a formula to prove or aproximate, what the true hp/torque is.

So how can you advertise an unknown as being 340-hp, without a minimal disclaimer ?



So the car is not a 1/4 mile demon. It was never advertised as such.
That, is totally incorrect, at least for the 2005 Dodge Magnum R/T "Hemi" !There are copies of the commercials that Dodge ran, impliing that it is not only fast, but quick. This is done in their add where the Red Magnum Surfer dude beats the 2-dr. sports car. They clearly imply quick and fast, as well as the sound that we al;l know we didn't get.

It is a 4,100+ pound brick (albeit a really good looking brick, I agree, 1,000 % It is one of the top ten sharpest, vehicles of 2004/2005 and it is most definetly the best looking and fastest station wagon.).

It has a rear end gear designed for highway cruising not the drag strip. True, and the R/T should have been a higher gear. This question was asked several times og Dodge and they never responded. The gas mileage SUCKS now, I don't see how you can hurt 110.3 to 13.8 w/average of 12.0 mpg. You pretty much need that trunk area, to carry around several 5-gal. jugs of gas...hmmm maybe thats why they added the huge trunk to the chrysler 300.
I also noticed, for this big "HEMI" Dodge saw fit to give you an extra Gallon of fuel capasity, yee haa that will get me an extra 12-miles. Want better acceleration, change the rear end gear, but say goodbye to gas mileage.
ROTGLMAO !!! OK, I gotta disagree with you here. There is no "GAS MILEAGE BENNEFIT" ! I will lose nothing.
If I got good fuel consumption with this type of performance, I would be very happy. If I got the true HP thats advertised and options to increase it's quickness, I would be tickled pink !

There will always be variations in the performance of cars by any manufacturer. There is no way to avoid it. Some cars are just going to do better than others even within the same car line like the LX's. Want your Hemi to run better. Drop a CAI in and put on a performance exhaust. Let that Hemi Breathe! I know one person who did this and their car will chirp the tires going into second. Is that with the esp on/off :D What is a CAI ? I am working on driving out to Borla to have the exhaust system installed
If your car is off by 5 to 10 HP, OH Well! Nothing you can do about it and I don't believe DC should have to do anything about it. Take a two piles of identical parts and put together two engines and I bet you their hp and torque's will be different. It is the nature of the mechanical beast. No amount of engineering will ever be able to explain it or get rid of it.
Come on, you don't really believe that, do you ? :WHT:

I can agree that no 2 of anything, will be exactly alike, but they should be as close as possible, and within reason. There is no way in Hell :VHOT: 20% to 22% Variable should be accepted. What if you went to buy a diamond, bar of gold or a Gallon of gas and you only got 78% to 80% of what you paid for ?
You would have a FIT !!! :VHOT:
If not, let me know what you want to buy and I'll fill every order you place, with in 20% !
Better yet, Dodge can give me back 20% of what I paid them and I'l be happy. :rck:

I am not sure what the problem is. Maybe they got dusted by a 4 banger while drag racing from light to light and they got their feelings hurt. If you wanted a drag racer then you should have bought a Camaro (when they were still being made) or maybe a Corvette. But for Gods sake GROW UP!

Sorry for the rant but people just need to get real! You have the coolest looking (Again I agree on the looks, 1,000% best riding (come on, at best, it's average. My 97 chevy suburban has a better ride. They both have a top heavy roll feel to them in high speed turns ! ;) great performing car on the market right now. Nothing else compares.

ENJOY THE RIDE!
Trust me, I am enjoying it as much as I can I've got 3400 miles on it so far.
Oh yeh, you sound like a True Dodge/Chrysler fan. What do you think about the fix for the drift, pull, to the right that drivers are complaining about ?
The fix takes a whole day to jury rig a fix ? :YO:
OK, pressure has vented. Back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Los Lobo]

I was told that the speed limiter shuts off at 130-mph, it shut off at 127/128 on the dyno. :VHOT:
Is the shut-off regulated by the front wheel revolutions, rpm's, rear axle revolutions ? :VHOT:
Does it change if esp is on ? :WHT:
By the way, if the HP is not accurate, why doesn't DC add all the things I'm going to add to get the HP that DC advertises ?
Why doesn't DC make availible, the options that would allow the speed that the odometer implies. Is it the wheel rating. Where are the tunning and chips to get what DC claims.
Rummor has it that Whipple had/has a contract to supply a charger that actually got the 340-hp that was advertised for the RT. :mad:
I also heard that the engines were blowing up left and right with the Whipple Chargers. :YO:

Is that why Magnums didn't get out on time, as advertised, as I was told ?
Why won't DC, allow company's to offer help in this forum. :help:
DC asked Borla not to discuss/advertise here. I'm sorry, I NEED F%&@ing H&!!P.... :help:
Let anyone offer help, that can, since Dodge can't. :help:

[Honest Al]

Los,
After reading your last post I called a friend who is a tech at a local Dodge dealership, the fact is (as Magnum Freak pointed out) that this system is too new to do much tuning yet. As a Mustang freak I have personal experience w/this. The same kind of tuning issues came up when they swapped the carb for the EFI system, again when they yanked the distributor and went DIS. Guess what? Now (after much aftermarket tinkering) these systems will do whatever you want. Stock 5.0 Mustangs ran high 14s when released, now modified ones run deep into the 9s. Give it time....try to have patience. The aftermarket will be able to give you all the performance that you want (as soon as they see that money can be made doing it), but it ain't gonna happen overnight.

[Herb Jenssen]

Do you really think DC controls this forum?

If they do, they could care less about their customers.

I've complained plenty and even left my phone number and no one ever called me.

[Herb Jenssen]

I went back to the same track I took the Magnum to the last time.
This time the temperature was almost 20 degrees cooler and I had a good tail wind.
The car now has over 4000 miles. It did better but not as good as what I've seen on this site and others.
The best was 14.276 at 98.09 mph. The worst was 14.665 at 95.92 mph.

I knocked off about one half second. Was it because of the temp ,miles or tail wind or a combination? Who knows!
I was hoping to do a 14 flat.

By the way. I tried the throttle calibration about three times.
It didn't make any difference.

There was a normally aspirated Viper with a special auto trans running mid 9's at 145 mph.
Later
Herb

[vipergts2]

Mabey it's just me but a 14.2 is a pretty damn good time for a 4000 lb street car, I am very impressed. In 92 when the viper came out everyone was listing low 13's for 1/4 mile times.

[faterotong]

Um, Los Lobo, I don't see why you're complaining about gas mileage??? YOU ADMITTED HAVING A HEAVY FOOT! If you have a HEAVY foot, MDS will not be as active as if you had a lighter foot.

You can blame Chrysler all you want for the 340hp advertisement...In case you haven't noticed, only PERFORMANCE variants, and the RT is only the lower step below the performance variants nowadays at DC, the SRT-8 version is the real performance variant. Anyways, Manufacturers never rated their car's power at the wheels, they measure at the FLYWHEEL, that means NO TRANSMISSION to give you parasitic losses...sorry, but 268hp is about all you can get since if you factor in 20% loss, you get 272hp...


Oh yeah, since when did Dodge advertise 430hp for the RT??? The SRT-8's haven't even been advertised yet...and it's the only thing coming close to being rated at 430hp in a magnum...