Buying 84 1 ton 440 RC 4x2

[SmokinMirror]

Going to pick-up an 84 Dually tomorrow, test dove it last night its by far the cleanest 80s truck I have scene in years. Amazingly everything works.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb101/MG42pillbox/84D350.jpg?t=1230829812

[B-300]

This is Vintage and should be posted there in the D/W subforum, especially any new threads.... That section goes up to '87.

[cmns2500]

all the first gen dodge trucks around here are either complete rust buckets, or they are pristine beauties like that one, only problem is the owners of the nice ones won't sell:mad:

[Bustedknuckles]

Nice find man!

[SmokinMirror]

Thanks guys, Just got home with it. Drove great. It turns out the torque converter is designed for towing. The 440 is out of a 75 motor home and has forged pistons and an Lunati RV cam. Rear is D70 with a 4.10.

I don’t understand how this doesn’t belong. It’s the same exact body as an 87/92. They started its design in 1981. Maybe the website should be changed for accuracy. The previous body style even on the same platform was in 1972 to 1980. Why would TBs and emissions matter? Its still the same generation..?

[cmns2500]

i thought that they used that body style since 79


either way, it's a really purty truck that i wish i had:D

[SmokinMirror]

Thanks, yea I couldn’t pass it up, and I wasn’t looking for an HD let alone a dually.

Very minor scratches/dents. Nothing worth touching till I paint it in a year or so. Changing out plugs tonight. It had POS motorcraft Furd plugs. We also need to recalibrate the carb settings. Its a Carter 750 Competition (everything is set for efficiency and de-advanced timing) for towing. The interior is nicer than the outside. It also has a 500watt system with 2 6" in the doors, and 2 tweeters (10 disk changer) plus a 10” sub behind the driver’s section. To say the least it’s a keeper.

[cmns2500]

de-advanced timing)It also has a 500watt system with 2 6" in the doors, and 2 tweeters (10 disk changer) plus a 10” sub behind the driver’s section. To say the least it’s a keeper.

don't they call that retarted timing:thatfunny


and could we the beautiful interior:D

[SmokinMirror]

Let me go out there right quick.

[cmns2500]

i'm waiting:gr_patrio

[SmokinMirror]

Quality sucks, need sunlight so I don’t have to hold the light at the same time.

[cmns2500]

Quality sucks, need sunlight so I don’t have to hold the light at the same time.

very nice lookin rig:rck:


ya just need to swap out the intake to the 3 2 barrels and get a shaker hood

:drivingz::drivingz::drivingz::drivingz::drivingz: :drivingz::drivingz::drivingz:

[SmokinMirror]

Well I cant, but hood swap yes. I already bought a hood thats in even better shape off a 1974. Those hoods look enos better. It will give the truck a whole new look. We are just gonna paint in flat black and throw it on.

[cmns2500]

wow that'd be one hell of a contrast

bet that it'll look sweet:D

[SmokinMirror]

I saw it done once, didn’t even have to thinking about how much better it looked. So I started buying up all the 72 to 79 hoods I could find. Have 2 as of now. *Paid less than $60 total.

[cmns2500]

very quick photochop(five minutes) black hood:gr_patrio

i can make it whatever color you want just let me know:D

[SmokinMirror]

All black

[cmns2500]

All black

sorry it took so long:SPIN:

few different ones;)

[SmokinMirror]

Thats cool. Now the background is killing it.

Hey can you turn that first picture into a negative????

[cmns2500]

i'll try to make it negative later

here it is with a black background

[SmokinMirror]

looks best!

[Dodge4L1fe]

nice find... looks to be in good shape for a 84'!

[SmokinMirror]

nice find... looks to be in good shape for a 84'!

I have yet to see a 94 this nice :D

[cmns2500]

I have yet to see a 94 this nice :D

or an 02 3/4 ton:YO:

by the way, the title of the thread says its a 4x2, did you mean 4x4 by chance

[SmokinMirror]

Well it will spin 4 tires, but all 4 are in the rear... :D

[SmokinMirror]

just took these

[SmokinMirror]

more

[cmns2500]

i saw one of those front a arms below the bumper and thought it was a pumpkin:SPIN:

[SmokinMirror]

oh yea lol..

Well Im getting 7/8mpg and didnt pass imissions. The carb and timing are way off

[cmns2500]

oh yea lol..

Well Im getting 7/8mpg and didnt pass imissions. The carb and timing are way off

you mean where you live you have to be sniffed


i don't have to be here in texas:cheerl:

[SmokinMirror]

Im moving to texas as soon as possible.

[cmns2500]

you know what we say down here right


TEXAS........

it's like a whole other country

[SmokinMirror]

Im In!

[cmns2500]

i'll be waitin for ya in el paso:SPIN:


hey do you got anymore pics of your beast

[SmokinMirror]

I will see if I can take some more tonight after I get drunk... Those are all drunken pix so far =)

[cmns2500]

I will see if I can take some more tonight after I get drunk... Those are all drunken pix so far =)

wow those are good pics for bein drunk :tup:

[SmokinMirror]

If I wasnt on Vodka you would only see 2 pictues LOL

[cmns2500]

holy crap dude

[SmokinMirror]

oh BTW I was under the truck and found that it even has an H pipe. I’m gonna have to take picks of the whole system. It feels extremely sturdy too.

[cmns2500]

yeah you do that

[cmns2500]

heres a try at a sig pic

[SmokinMirror]

I still like this one. Why dont you play with another picture of your choice. :D:SPIN:

[SmokinMirror]

This one came out like sheet. Different camera.

[cmns2500]

yeah that hurts my eyes to look at

[SmokinMirror]

shtick & tings

[SmokinMirror]

ect

[cmns2500]

that don't look too bad underneath for a quarter-century old truck

[fins2fuselage]

Smokin,

That is a GREAT find -- looks ready to tow a house! Does the big-block installation appear to be done in a professional manner (no bodge-welding, holes blown indiscriminately into frame, etc)? If so, you really have something there.

Interesting dual exhaust arrangement; at least now I know "how it is done". I like the extra-deep Mopar Performance tranny pan with an incorporated drain. And I really dig the colors.

Thanks guys, Just got home with it. Drove great. It turns out the torque converter is designed for towing. The 440 is out of a 75 motor home and has forged pistons and an Lunati RV cam. Rear is D70 with a 4.10.

I don’t understand how this doesn’t belong. It’s the same exact body as an 87/92. They started its design in 1981. Maybe the website should be changed for accuracy. The previous body style even on the same platform was in 1972 to 1980. Why would TBs and emissions matter? Its still the same generation..?

The way the " '72 - '87 rule" was explained elsewhere is this: '88 saw the introduction of the Magnum engines (that is correct, yes?), hence '81 - '87s are included with the earlier generation trucks (though "half-generation" may be more accurate). Since you have a big-block in your truck, it has even more in common with some of the '72 - '78 trucks.

For whatever reason, you are obviously now are stuck over here on the "Vintage" forum with us "Lifestyle-era" owners -- but we're not such a bad bunch to be around once you get to know us. So: welcome!

Jeff

[SmokinMirror]

Ok ok ok, I will concede; however for the record this truck is in fact a first Generation Ram. *i.e. Its like in 2002, the first 3rd Gen Half Ton Ram didn’t offer the Hemi. So there should be a special place for 3rd Generation Ram 5.9 Magnum trucks since it was a1½ year deal.

And yes the installation was done professionally to the T. At most we could only find very little things to disagree with. Obviously us Mopar lovers are very particular, and I had to ditch the small block air hat, and had to switch the plugs. The blue plastic plug wire holders are not the right blue if you know what that means. I can’t use the “F” word and talk about this truck at the same time without feeling sick. But you have to really try hard to find problems. At most the rubber floor isn’t perfect and I don’t care, besides that there are normal flaws that don’t bother me in the least, and the door panels are faded. But yes, this truck really is all that and more. Driving it, is amazing, and its faster than any factory diesel HD truck. It has altered almost all of the previous decisions I had made about all of my other vehicles. Since the deal was so good, I’m going to upgrade this truck more than most of my others.

Your collection seems impressive; you need to get a gallery going. If you posted pix I will look for them.

[beatersdigest]

Nice dually! Let me know if you ever get bored with THAT much torque- I'll make room for the 440 under my hood :D:D.

[SmokinMirror]

HAHA I need it. I think this thing weighs 6,000lbs

[cmns2500]

HAHA I need it. I think this thing weighs 6,000lbs

should be closer to 7000 pounds, i would think

[SmokinMirror]

Yea I’m looking and cant find anything concrete

[cmns2500]

Yea I’m looking and cant find anything concrete

either way, it's still an ozone killer:rck:

[SmokinMirror]

YES!!! Ozone destroyers Unite LoL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9c_9M5afQA&feature=related

[cmns2500]

i wonder how much they were sellin those for

[volaredon]

should be closer to 7000 pounds, i would think

I had a 78 D 300 duallie 360 granny 4 speed no AC; I took a couple loads of scrap and seems that it was ~5K lbs with no load and me in it. 10K GVW.

[cmns2500]

I had a 78 D 300 duallie 360 granny 4 speed no AC; I took a couple loads of scrap and seems that it was ~5K lbs with no load and me in it. 10K GVW.

wow those things are lighter than i thought

[volaredon]

Smokin,

The way the " '72 - '87 rule" was explained elsewhere is this: '88 saw the introduction of the Magnum engines (that is correct, yes?), hence '81 - '87s are included with the earlier generation trucks (though "half-generation" may be more accurate). Since you have a big-block in your truck, it has even more in common with some of the '72 - '78 trucks.
Jeff

NO the Magnum engines showed up in 92; still the same body style, still the D/W series.

[SmokinMirror]

wow those things are lighter than i thought


Well thats interesting... However my 440 is probably 150lbs more than a small block. And I’m sure my auto is a bit more than the 4 speed. But I guess that sill doesn’t put me at 6000lbs. :cheerl:



NO the Magnum engines showed up in 92; still the same body style, still the D/W series.

AH HA! What is the meaning of this. :teacher:

[cmns2500]

Well thats interesting... However my 440 is probably 150lbs more than a small block. And I’m sure my auto is a bit more than the 4 speed. But I guess that sill doesn’t put me at 6000lbs. :cheerl:





AH HA! What is the meaning of this. :teacher:

before they called them magnums, they were LA motors i think

[SmokinMirror]

oh I know, but you got 2 guys saying they were introduced at different years...

[cmns2500]

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LA_engine#Magnum_engines)

The LA family was updated and branded as the Magnum V6 and V8 in 1992. While the Magnum 3.9, Magnum 5.2, and Magnum 5.9 (1993-up) engines were significantly based on the 239, the 318, and the 360 — respectively — many of the parts will not directly interchange and are not technically LA engines (the only parts that are actually unchanged are the crankshafts and connecting rods). Magnum cylinder heads use a different oiling system and individually mounted rocker arms (AMC style) and a CCW rotation water pump with a much improved housing. The intake manifolds share basic dimensions but will not interchange without modifications. Chrysler's engineers redesigned the oil seals on the crankshaft to improve anti-leak seal performance. Although the pre-Magnum ('71-'92) and Magnum versions of the 360/5.9 are both externally balanced, the two are balanced differently (the 360 Magnum uses lighter pistons) and each requires a uniquely balanced damper, flywheel, drive plate, or torque converter. The valve covers on the Magnum have 10 bolts rather than the previous 5, for improved oil sealing.

[SmokinMirror]

So there is only 1-year truck able to qualify for the 1st Generation Ram... :thatfunny

[cmns2500]

So there is only 1-year truck able to qualify for the 1st Generation Ram... :thatfunny

pray do explain

[manimal]

That is a very sweet truck. Congrats.
-Lance

[SmokinMirror]

That is a very sweet truck. Congrats.
-Lance

:gr_patrio

pray do explain

post #48 by fins2fuselage :D

[fins2fuselage]

:gr_patrio



post #48 by fins2fuselage :D

Smokin,

Actually, I seem to recall that the last of the "Lifestyle era" trucks built in '80 wore "Dodge Ram" decals. So were those the "first Ram trucks"? I think not; the water does seem to be pretty muddy in this area.

I was going by memory (of another thread) when I stated what I thought was the rationale behind lumping '81-'87 in with '72-'80. Perhaps it instead had something to do with the introduction of the V-6, but I thought that came along in '87, not '88.

The easy way to find the truth: ask the mod.

I haven't yet published the photo "gallery" because I don't want to have them involuntarily moved to four different forums (since I spend most of my time on "Vintage Dodge Trucks, '72- '80"); just look at how the powers-that-be shifted around this thread! But thanks for the interest.

Jeff

[SmokinMirror]

Yea man, who’s to say.

But there is a big Ram on the front of this 84 lol

[charlie1935]

T V6 came out in the 87 Dakota with a feedback carb. In 88 it had throttle body injection and roller lifters.:gr_patrio

[volaredon]

Smokin,

Actually, I seem to recall that the last of the "Lifestyle era" trucks built in '80 wore "Dodge Ram" decals. So were those the "first Ram trucks"? I think not; the water does seem to be pretty muddy in this area.

Jeff


No I'd have to say the "1st" Ram trucks, were dated back to at least the "Job-rated" days, right after WW-II; anyone remember the huge Ram hood ornaments from the day, like ~'49-50?:secret2::teacher:
"lifestyle" era? That's the 1st time I ever heard that reference to our trucks. :huh::dunno:

[SmokinMirror]

Yea the Ram has been used for a while

[Rammer64]

That would make a beautiful conversion for a 5.9 Cummins

[volaredon]

Naaah; the 440 looks perfect in there; someone did lotsa work to get it in there; find another truck to drop your Cummins into! that one's too nice as it sits!
and yeah I gotta agree, I'd never heard anything about Dodge trucks being referred to as "Lifestyle trucks" before; any years or models! I think they are "off" in what they call "1st generation" though.
Thats as if to say those were the 1st trucks ever built by Dodge?? I DON'T THINK SO!

thats like it aggravates the Hell outta me, seeing all the ads for places like LMC truck that sell parts for GM and Ford back to 1947 but only back to 94 on a Dodge; (see their commercials on any made-for-cable-TV car/truck enthusiast shows) I called them, trying to find a catalog of parts that covered my '83; all computerized phone line (never got to actually talk to anyone; all "press'1" for_____, press 2 for______"BS and they asked me to key-in the year of my truck; and to tell them my address for my free catalog; the computer thing even repeated back that a catalog for my "83 dodge was on its way; like 3 months ago; going by the TV ads i'd have expected it to say"does not compute" or "sorry, we don't have any parts available for that year truck, thanks for calling" but like I said; 3 months ago, still waiting for my catalog that they said ws "on the way".

[SmokinMirror]

Naaah; the 440 looks perfect in there; someone did lotsa work to get it in there; find another truck to drop your Cummins into! that one's too nice as it sits!
and yeah I gotta agree, I'd never heard anything about Dodge trucks being referred to as "Lifestyle trucks" before; any years or models! I think they are "off" in what they call "1st generation" though.
Thats as if to say those were the 1st trucks ever built by Dodge?? I DON'T THINK SO!

thats like it aggravates the Hell outta me, seeing all the ads for places like LMC truck that sell parts for GM and Ford back to 1947 but only back to 94 on a Dodge; (see their commercials on any made-for-cable-TV car/truck enthusiast shows) I called them, trying to find a catalog of parts that covered my '83; all computerized phone line (never got to actually talk to anyone; all "press'1" for_____, press 2 for______"BS and they asked me to key-in the year of my truck; and to tell them my address for my free catalog; the computer thing even repeated back that a catalog for my "83 dodge was on its way; like 3 months ago; going by the TV ads i'd have expected it to say"does not compute" or "sorry, we don't have any parts available for that year truck, thanks for calling" but like I said; 3 months ago, still waiting for my catalog that they said ws "on the way".


Exactly.

The Dually has had about 9K dumped into it to make it what it is. Im gonna do nothing but make it prettier and add some aluminum to the top end eventually.

This truck is much faster than any new Diesel out of the box anyway. And when we took off the pipes after the headers it sounded godlike. Im gonna save for some electric cutouts.