I bought a Fel-Pro (federated-mogul) timing chain set
included in the gasket kit that came with it is an enormous felt washer/gasket/seal affair 4" in diameter with a centre hole that is 2" in diameter and the entire piece is about 3/8" thick
no instructions in the package about what this thing is for and there was nothing like it behind/inside the timing chain cover when I took it off - and no bits of felt floating around inside the timing chain case to indicate that it might have been there at some time and disintegrated/fallen apart over time and use
does anybody know what it is and where it goes
One more thing; the Haynes manual warned that I might find a groove in the surface of the damper that the oil seal rides on - sure enough there was one
it does not seem severe but I do not want a leak after putting the rig back together
it mentions that there are press-on repair sleeves available to remedy this
would these be available at parts stores such as car-quest
I presume a different seal would be needed since the sleeve in essence increases the diameter of the damper "shaft" where it goes through the cover; presumably the repair sleeve and appropriate seal come as a "kit"
GHS
12-14-2008, 01:31 PM
Those repair sleeves are very thin, so the same seal is used. Some gasket sets come with the sleeves included, but they are also available individually at any well-stocked parts store. Sometimes they can be difficult to install, but I've managed to get them on without the special tool.
I can't help you with the felt washer, but put it back together the same way it was.
It's possible the felt is used in place of the metal slinger on some engines, but I'm only guessing. I'm sure someone here has run across this one.
Speed Dragon
12-14-2008, 03:16 PM
The felt goes behind the damper, in front of the timing cover. Sort of acts like a dust cover to the seal.
If the groove in the damper isn't that bad, I'd reuse it. It's got to be pretty worn to leak, none of mine have ever had that problem, even with upwards of 200k miles on them.
acton mike
12-14-2008, 09:25 PM
I found the repair sleeve at PartSource; not in stock but they ordered it in
only a few bucks so it will not break the bank
The groove the the damper is not too bad; i do not think it was leaking but one really knows with a 24 year build up of swarf around the front of the engine
fins2fuselage
12-14-2008, 10:23 PM
I found the repair sleeve at PartSource; not in stock but they ordered it in
only a few bucks so it will not break the bank
The groove the the damper is not too bad; i do not think it was leaking but one really knows with a 24 year build up of swarf around the front of the engine
Mike,
Whatever you do, use a bearing press to install that repair sleeve! If you use a 2X4 and a hammer, you WILL mess it up due to the steel's thinness. I only had to try the 2X4 method once to learn that lesson . . .
Jeff
acton mike
12-28-2008, 02:37 PM
regarding the felt thing; goes on between the damper and the timing cover
do I need to oil it or do anything to it
charlie1935
12-28-2008, 02:50 PM
I have heated the sleeve before. Heat evenly and you have to be quick. :gr_patrio
dodged100
12-29-2008, 07:41 AM
great, I was bout to put a new chain and gears in my 76 and have never done it before. I felt pretty sure it wouldnt be that hard but after reading this thread about all the seals and stuff and I am getting scared I might screw something up.
lebanu
12-29-2008, 09:52 AM
It's not that difficult, although it was time consuming for me...I did it in the spring on my 74 w100 with the help of some threads on this site.....and I am in no means a mechanic...I would suggest taking pictures or video of the location of the parts, belts etc.. and keep track of which bolts belong where as they differ in length..there are many websites you can google which give specifics on how to do the job correctly...
dodged100
12-29-2008, 11:03 AM
well lebanu that makes me feel a bit better since I am not a mechanic either but I do luv working on my old dodge.
acton mike
12-30-2008, 12:11 AM
it is not that hard a job
My big problem is having to work in the cold
Normally I like to start job and finish it in one go if i can
But I can only work in the cold for so long before my fingers freeze up; add to the fact that i started to do this over the christmas period and other people, start making demands on my time
I was looking at a propane-fired heater the other day; I just might treat myself to one
I just need to be careful about carbon monoxide; I do not want to get dead before i get the truck running again
dodged100
12-30-2008, 07:17 AM
yeah the old dodges usually like their owners to stay alive, I will probably use my wifes grandfathers garage since he's a body man and its heated
bherder
12-30-2008, 10:27 AM
But I can only work in the cold for so long before my fingers freeze up
Heh heh heh .... How many times have I been there and done that..... ;)
I'm usually good for about 10-15 minutes before I have to unthaw my hands.
The good part is, if ya mash your finger, it doesn't hurt as much. :D
I was looking at a propane-fired heater the other day; I just might treat myself to one
I just need to be careful about carbon monoxide; I do not want to get dead before i get the truck running again
They make indoor propane heaters (I've got two) and they're safe. Propane burns about as clean as anything. Those heaters do use propane up PDQ though.
acton mike
12-30-2008, 07:47 PM
I will put a CO monitor in the garage - probably a good idea even though I don't run the engine in the garage
but even with the vehicle in the driveway just outside the garage, CO can make its way in
about cold fingers not hurting when you mash or bash them; they don't at the time but when they start to warm up it is enough to bring a tear to your eye
bherder
12-31-2008, 09:09 AM
about cold fingers not hurting when you mash or bash them; they don't at the time but when they start to warm up it is enough to bring a tear to your eye
Well, what fun would it be, being a 'classic' Dodge owner if ya didn't bust a knuckle or two when it's SO cold out the blood doesn't instantly freeze and seal the wound?? :D C'mon .... Tell me....:D
C1DoG
12-31-2008, 09:43 AM
about cold fingers not hurting when you mash or bash them; they don't at the time but when they start to warm up it is enough to bring a tear to your eye
Well, what fun would it be, being a 'classic' Dodge owner if ya didn't bust a knuckle or two when it's SO cold out the blood doesn't instantly freeze and seal the wound?? :D C'mon .... Tell me....:D
