Adding power steering [Archive] - Dodge Talk Community Forum

Parson4

07-27-2007, 02:13 PM

Can you add, power steering to the old manual d100? IF so what is involved?

Power steering pump, and a steering box to match. I have a set of really clean used ones that had no leakies when I took them off, if you are interested.....

ptannjr

07-27-2007, 02:17 PM

PM sent

Speed Dragon

07-27-2007, 02:38 PM

Don't forget the lines, Rick ;)

Parson4

07-27-2007, 02:42 PM

Yepppppper Speeeeeeedo, done told him that, dey comes with it......In udddder words da whole ball of waxies, including da pullllley !! :)

ptannjr

07-27-2007, 02:59 PM

Payment sent

ptannjr

07-27-2007, 04:13 PM

BTW, are you sending the needed brackets? I would only have to think so since it is "da whole ball of waxies"

Speed Dragon

07-27-2007, 05:52 PM

Yeah ain't no good if you can't hang it on there :)

Parson4

07-27-2007, 11:01 PM

BTW, are you sending the needed brackets? I would only have to think so since it is "da whole ball of waxies"

I can if you need them, however I will have to go all the way (60 miles) down there to get them, and I won't be going down there untill Monday afternoon or Tuesday. I already had the bracket for them so all I took was the steering box bracket I think. Will look in the morning, but I am sure I left the pump brackets on the other truck.

BTW, I feel confident now that they will fit as Speed said they will, and he knows a lot more about that than I do.....

Speeeeeedo, please jump in here and tell us what all he will need.

Speed Dragon

07-28-2007, 07:37 AM

Do you (ptannjr) have A/C?

ptannjr

07-28-2007, 07:41 AM

Do you (ptannjr) have A/C?
not yet :(

bherder

07-28-2007, 10:39 AM

You guys had better make sure that both have the correct # of splines on the shafts, and I believe there may be a 'standard' rotation and and 'non-standard' .... Probably due to differences in 2WD and 4X4 gearbox, not real positive on that one .... And ptannjr, you'll also want to make sure your harmonic balancer and water pump pully has the extra grooves in it for the belt to the PS pump.... And the brackets, since nobody asked each other, are not the same for a /6 or a small block or a big block.....

Speed Dragon

07-28-2007, 02:48 PM

You need non-A/C brackets then, and you will need a crank pulley off a PS truck. And yes, as bherder says you need it to be off the same kind of engine. If you have a smallblock, you need SB brackets and pulley, if S6 then you need S6 brackets and pulley. The pump is the same regardless of engine, as is the steering box. I believe the box does have to be off a 2wd, I think the 4x4 box mounts on the outside of the frame? Bherder, can you check yours?

Parson4

07-28-2007, 03:22 PM

OK, first of, ptannjr, what size engine do you have?

Second with regard to the pully, on my truck, the AC & Alternator were on one belt. Took the AC off and threw it in the junk bin, and just bought a shorter belt.

YES, the flywheel pulley will need to be double groved, however aren't they all for the water pump??

Mine is a 4X4, and the box is on the outsiude of the frame, and so was the one I have extra, however it comes with bracket and all...

QUESTION: if his is on the inside of the frame, will it have a coupler or rag joint ?? When did they change??? Now the lower steering shaft might have to be changed as well, and a person could get the right spline at that time...Right ??

RIGHT NOW, I am wondering just how much work he wants to do. If this is a project truck, then like the rest of us with project trucks, he may end up having to purchase other items to make this change, ans spend lots of hours on his back.... :)

Speed Dragon

07-28-2007, 04:32 PM

Parson4

07-28-2007, 06:33 PM

KKKKKKKK that sounds goood to me.......I think he is gone for today, but should be back on tonight or tomorrow.

Speed Dragon

07-29-2007, 07:45 AM

Ahh I'm going crazy :D The 2wd box is on the outside of the frame too, so the 4wd box should work, I'm sure the pitman arm needs to be changed on it though. Might be able to use the one off his manual box, not sure though. Here's the pics of my 2wd non-A/C setup.

bherder

07-29-2007, 01:34 PM

Check this out.... (This for a 79')

http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductList.aspx?parttype=255&ptset=A&searchfor=Steering+Gear+Box

It starts getting sorta' complicated ... :WHT:

You've got 25 spline and 32 spline ... Standard rotation and reverse rotation...
The input shaft on the manual box is longer than the PS box....
Not sure but I'm thinking one might have to replace the steering column also...

And Rick, our particular rigs have that stupid coupler at the gearbox and a rag joint up top, so we have both. The older ones I've seen at the boneyard have just the rag joint down by the gearbox... I ...think... They started using that wonderful coupler lie what we have in 79'....

bherder

07-29-2007, 01:53 PM

The steering box won't interchange then, you can't put one from the outside of the frame on the inside. He'll have to have a 2wd box. Water pump pulley makes no difference to the power steering, the PS only uses the crank pulley. I'll go get some pics of my setup right now.

Well, not necessarily... ;)

(In fact I wish I could get rid of my PS and get rid of the extra junk under the hood... And then I could also run dual belts on my 100 alt...

Speed Dragon

07-29-2007, 02:04 PM

The input shaft on the manual box is longer than the PS box....
Not sure but I'm thinking one might have to replace the steering column also...

Nope, column will bolt up to either. The reason the input shaft is longer on the manual is because the box is shorter.

bherder

07-29-2007, 05:17 PM

Nope, column will bolt up to either. The reason the input shaft is longer on the manual is because the box is shorter.

Ah, well that clears up that part of it .... :D

Parson4

07-29-2007, 07:33 PM

OK, why would it make any diff if you are replacing the box with a diff kind, all he would need was the coupler, then the spline, clockwise or counter wouldn't make any diff right ??.......seems to me that when you are changing the box with one it has never had, would be diff than looking for a replacement...

Soooooooooo have we come to the conclusion that the pump will work, and all we need to be concerned about is the box, and his crank pulley. Is this somewhat correct??

I don't want to have to ship him the WHOLE truck..... :D :D :D

Speed Dragon

07-29-2007, 09:29 PM

On my '72 and my '73, the rag joint is right at the box. You should be able to see it in my pic of the box on mine.

If the manual box has the same spline on the output, then he can use that pitman arm.

You should be able to give him the crank and water pump pulley off the truck you got the pump off of, and he should be fine.

ptannjr

07-29-2007, 09:47 PM

ok, i am handicapped for the day. i am not near a computer. i am on my cell phone. those pics look the same. box on the outside of the frame, 3 bolt holding it on. i wont be able to get any pics or pull the box to check the spline for a few days as i am going out of town for a few days. mine is a slant 6 basic stripper truck with no upgrades. i dont have it handy but if you see one of my other threads i started it is there for the basics of the truck. i dont mind doing some work but i dont want to replace the whole front suspension yet! :) basicly i dont mind spending a bit more on this project but not too much otherwise i may as well not mess with it right now, i have grown fond of sleeping in my bed and i only have so much money to spend at any given time with out the wife loosing it!!! :)

ptannjr

07-29-2007, 09:52 PM

ok BTW i forgot to mention, the crank has 3 grooves and the alternator has 2 grooves water pump has 1.

Parson4

07-29-2007, 10:20 PM

Yeah, I figured I'd be back down there pulling him a few more parts. This box comes with the pitman arm attached, so that shouldn't be a problem. Good thing to hear that he has a 3 grove pulley. As it is then he should only be using 2 groves at this time, so that solves that. We will get him what he needs in the long run.....So he can run with the BIG boys :D :D

Hmmmmmm he said his box is on the outside of the frame ????

Speed Dragon

07-30-2007, 12:21 PM

Hmmmmmm he said his box is on the outside of the frame ????
Yeah it is, I was mistaken on that. 4wd and 2wd are both on the outside. He says he got a S6 though, so he's gonna need the pump, brackets, pulleys and lines off of a S6, V8 won't fit. Well, maybe the lines might.

Box will work off any truck, from 72-80. If it's a 4wd box, he'll have to change the pitman arm.

B-300

07-30-2007, 07:24 PM

That pump set-up is the same as I have on my B-300 van.
In addition to the brackets, don't forget that the bolts that go thru them are longer.
Also I wrapped the belt adjustment with teflon tape to prevent coolant leakage... The one shown going thru the slot in post #17.

bherder

07-30-2007, 08:16 PM

Box will work off any truck, from 72-80. If it's a 4wd box, he'll have to change the pitman arm.

Well, wait a minute.... What's with the 25 or 32 spline and the standard rotation and reverse rotation then? Obviously, you can't just throw any gearbox on to anything else....

In fact, ptannjr has told us that it's a /6, but not what year it is.... (Unless I missed it..)

Yeah, I figured I'd be back down there pulling him a few more parts. This box comes with the pitman arm attached, so that shouldn't be a problem.

If it's for a 2WD, I guess....

Good thing to hear that he has a 3 grove pulley. As it is then he should only be using 2 groves at this time, so that solves that.

Maybe.... As you've seen from Speed's and my pics, depends on how the belts are routed. Might get by with a one groove waterpump pully, maybe not.

We will get him what he needs in the long run.....So he can run with the BIG boys

(As far as you can with a /6 ;) ;) ;) )

ptannjr

07-30-2007, 09:18 PM

damn you guys are all over this, many thanks!! it is for a 1973. not sure on the number os splines yet.

Speed Dragon

07-31-2007, 12:47 AM

Well, wait a minute.... What's with the 25 or 32 spline and the standard rotation and reverse rotation then? Obviously, you can't just throw any gearbox on to anything else....

In fact, ptannjr has told us that it's a /6, but not what year it is.... (Unless I missed it..)

Not sure on the spline count, year difference maybe? Engine doesn't make any difference as far as the steering box is concerned.

If I were you Rick, I'd grab a steering box off a 2wd truck, '72-93, and the rest from a S6 truck w/o A/C, probably an '80-older truck would be preferable. Leave the pitman arm on the box, just knock the tie rod joint out of the end of it. His tie rod should go right back in it.

bherder

07-31-2007, 01:09 AM

Not sure on the spline count, year difference maybe?

Could be, but when I look up my own 79' ... They both wanna know which one (Napa or PartsAmerica) ....

AND the 'Standard rotation' or the 'Reverse-rotation'.... Don't know which/what I have, but it would seem pretty damn important I would think.... ;)

(Maybe someone could explain what this all is... Chump? B-300???)

B-300

07-31-2007, 03:05 AM

I already missed the slant 6 part.
I don't know trucks as well, but if the early and late have the steering box mounted ahead vs. behind the axle the rotation would need to be opposite to turn the wheels the same direction. Also 4wd Ramchargers use a steering system that pushes front to rear instead of side to side and probably use different boxes for this reason... I think the trucks are the same but couldn't say for certian.

Parson4

07-31-2007, 10:27 AM

Parrish, check your PM's, I just sent you one....Okie Doakie ??

We may get this thing figured out one way or another......How about everyone telling us what you have that will fit his truck, and then maybe.....just maybe, we can all come up with whatever he needs.

I have come to the conclusion that the only real and "non Poncho" thing to do is find a truck identical to his that has power steering, and get everything he needs off that truck.

I went down to the yard yesterday to look around, but no sooner than I got there they threw me in a roll back and said head for mile marker 46 1/2, we have a 13 vehicle pileup on the Interstate, sooooooo I spent the nex 9 hours hookin vehicles & runnin the jaws ....... bummmmmmmmmmmmmer but goooood money :D

To the best of my knowledge, we do not have his truck in our little yard. Does anyone else ???

Speed Dragon

07-31-2007, 02:40 PM

Parson4

07-31-2007, 03:10 PM

You sure you don't have a box Rick? I can get him one, but I don't want to cut in on your deal.

As for the lines and the pump, he can buy those new relatively cheap, so he just need to hunt down the brackets and pulley(s) for an S6.

All I have is the box off of a 318, 4X4 1980 rancharger.

Heyyyyyyyyyy what you got, and he needs go for it, and lets get him fixed up once and for all. Yeah, he can come up with the brackets i'm sure, as surely there are junk yards in Florida aint dere ???? :huh:

I only been there twice, and both times I was in the navy, and wasn't really lookin for junk yards :D :D

Parson4

07-31-2007, 06:46 PM

OK guys, hopes this helps. Parish sent me some pictures of his set up, as he doesn't have the ability to upload them at home.

http://godslittlechurch.com/Photo/img040.jpg

http://godslittlechurch.com/Photo/img041.jpg

http://godslittlechurch.com/Photo/img042.jpg

http://godslittlechurch.com/Photo/img043.jpg

I will look tomorrow and see if what I have came off of a 2X2 truck. If not, maybe Speeeeeedo could send him the box, and I could send him the pump, and then all he would need is a bracket .... RIGHT ?? He has opening on the pulley for two belts more !

He can tell you what a Mopar mechanic told him ..... :huh:

ptannjr

07-31-2007, 07:08 PM

lthanks rick. the parts gy said he had never heard the reverse rotation. but it may be for the 4x4. the box from a 72 to 79 2wd s6 truck or ram charger should work. orrigional part number 3496909 replaced by 4031920 the fibnally replaced till disco by 4112638. the bracket from any s6 will work...........ll

B-300

07-31-2007, 08:30 PM

The slant 6 that was in my '78 van used a 3 groove pulley on the crank, with 2 on the water pump. The power steering belt went over the crank and water pump... The pump bracket mounted to the 2 bolt holes on the block were the ground cable is and to 2 of the water pump bolts.... If I recall correctly the same bracket also held the AIR pump which used the 3rd groove on the crankshaft.
I was able to use the same lines for the pressure and return when I later swapped a V-8 into it since the pump was in about the same position on both.

Speed Dragon

07-31-2007, 11:00 PM

Parson4

08-01-2007, 12:21 AM

I've never heard of the reverse rotation either, and I've been selling parts for a while now. I think he can use the crank pulley he has. See what you can come up with Rick, and if you don't have a box, I'll get him one.

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08-01-2007, 01:52 AM

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