This new thread is to document the findings of others and my new tuner as my Viper is being brought up to the performance level I originally expected. My purpose here is not to bash anyone, only present the truth and let each member of the Viper community draw their own conclusion regarding the quality of the build I received for my 28K.
If you have a problem with this subject, feel free to avoid the thread and use the tuner of your choice. I'm not here to argue, the pictures speak largely for themselves.
lebaronman
05-11-2007, 04:48 PM
Just was looking at the pictures in the other thread. Just completely unbelievable to play with safety like that. That is all I have to see.
SUN RA KAT
05-11-2007, 04:54 PM
The first 2 photos show parts of my $3,500 Fuel System Upgrade. The first photo shows the fuel pump bolted to the frame of my car inches away from the driveshaft and the fuel line running inches away parallel to the driveshaft that did not have any safety loops around it. The second photo shows silver duct tape holding the fuel lines together. The connection was easily found because the duct tape was not even trimmed.
The 3rd photo shows the incorrect reach spark plug my former tuner put in my $6,500 Jeff Morys Striker heads compared to the spark plugs that came with the heads and Jeff Morys told my former tuner to use with the heads.
SUN RA KAT
05-11-2007, 04:57 PM
Please note the RED 2nd paragraph (Red added by me) below indicating Larry Macedo deliberately put in the wrong spark plugs. Also see Underground Racing's expert opinion of what putting the wrong spark plugs does to an engine further below.
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Larry Macedo (http://www4.forum.viperclub.org/showprofile.php?Cat=0&User=4164&Number=803232&Board=UBB14&what=showflat&page=0&fpart=8&vc=1)
Holy Hannah! I didn't use the spark plug recommended by the manufacturer and still produced 766/748rwhp and 848/832rwtq. Good Night! That means had I used the spark plug recommended by the manufacturer, we would have shattered the world record for a Roe that we already established... Arghhh! The irony of it all!
We originally used the VEC2 and Iridium plug, but surpassed those dyno numbers with the AEM and the plugs we chose.
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Larry Macedo
Macedo Motorsports
407.246.6511 Office
407.970.3463 Cell
www.macedomotorsports.com (http://www.macedomotorsports.com/)
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Those are not at all the correct plugs or even acceptable plugs to use in that application PERIOD. We have installed and use many of these Striker Heads from JM and they have worked perfect with NO tuning issues. For those of you who are wondering about using the plugs Kenny had installed in his STRIKER heads here is something to consider. Intake ports, combustion chambers, piston tops, and spark plugs are all designed together as a system to ensure good combustion. If one of the elements of the systems is changed, then the combustion system cannot function properly. In this case, installing a 3/4" reach plug in a combustion chamber designed to use a 1" plug leaves the spark plug electrode gap sitting in the spark plug hole, whereas the combustion chamber has been designed to have the spark plug electrodes protruding into the chamber. A hole is not a good place to initiate combustion, so the initial flame propagation (if the plug is able to light the mixture at all) will be sluggish. Sluggish burn rates will have the effect of retarding the combustion phasing relative to the piston motion, and increase the variability in combustion from cycle to cycle. Increased combustion variability will manifest itself in a vehicle as an engine that idles rough, perhaps has trouble starting, and doesn't make as much power as it would otherwise be capable of making. To summarize, a spark plug with shorter reach than the cylinder head is designed for will leave the spark plug gap in a hole, combustion quality will suffer greatly, and the engine will run poorly. The easiest solution here is to simply install the correct spark plug and reap the combustion benefits. Refer to the pictures to observe what I am talking about. I would *NOT* put the correct plugs in this car and try to drive it on it's present tune. Please see pictures below as one shows the 3/4 plug that is in Kenny's Striker Heads and the other pictures show the CORRECT plug that is supposed to be in Kenny's heads!
http://gallery.viperclub.org/data/500/medium/spark_plug_dummy_001.jpg
You cannot run a spark plug like this. The leading edge of the spark plug hole becomes a glow plug and causes preignition. I've seen heads where the plug was recessed like this and the there was evidence of the edge of the hole starting to melt.
Well at least it is now Being looked over by another tuner Kenny. I hope you have the car back to enjoy soon.
hemi_dakota94
05-12-2007, 07:30 AM
Pictures speak a thousand words, Kenny. There is absolutely NO way that these can be misinterpreted. M2 did an awful and careless job on your car, as evidenced here. Congrats on finding a reputable and trustworthy tuner, after all you have been through.
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 05:14 PM
The 2 3/8" Roe supercharger pulley is 12 pounds boost, and that's what Macedo put on mine and the David Weaver crank pulley together which spins it much faster than the 21,000 RPM absolute upper limit for the Roe supercharger and it cost me $850.00 to get my Roe supercharger fixed. The 10 pound Roe pulley is the maximum that should be used with the David Weaver Pulley. No wonder the bearings in my Roe supercharger were going out. A 12# Roe pulley + Weaver pulley is over 22k rpms at 6,000 engine RPM.
This is intelligent as deliberately putting the wrong reach short spark plugs in my engine.
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 05:18 PM
This is the port matching job Larry charged me $800.00 to do and as the pictures show... Pictures shows it all on the restriction that the air traveling through the lower intake runner encountered as it tried to pass through the head.
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 05:28 PM
To whom it may concern,
On March 2, 2007 Ken Katowik came to us to have his Viper Dyno tested for H.P. Torque and Air/Fuel Ratio checked.We ran the car and got the following results indicated on the graphs which are showing the car runs too rich the A/F trace is off our scale and the pipes are black.Mr Katowik had us clearance the Roll Bar mount on the LHS so as not to damage his seat back as it was touching.
This is a statement of what we observed and does not point blame it simply means the car seems to run to rich.Please also note we had trouble with the tach signal and that is why the runs are in MPH
Thanks
Steve Colletti
john.colorado
05-26-2007, 05:30 PM
insane
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 05:58 PM
The next day after going to Colletti's dyno I went to another dyno to verify the results with a different dyno test testing my Viper as Larry Macedo delivered it to me with only a new battery installed and using 93 octane. The console covering the transmission did have a small non-photogarhable crack in it before going to Macedo in November 2005 and was about an inch long, but when my Viper was delivered to me July 1, 2006 the crack had become several cracks and was easily visible and felt.
In a message dated 3/19/2007 8:40:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeff@precision-autosports.com writes:
‘Mr. Katowik brought his 2002 Dodge Viper GTS to the shop to have a few Dyno pulls performed. We performed 3 Dyno pulls monitoring boost, air/fuel, and rpm. The vehicle fired up fine, idled fine and seemed to have the appropriate air/fuel (14.7:1) while driving. The Dyno pull was started around 2000 rpm and ran to 5500 rpm. The boost was 13.4 lbs. The air/fuel started out at 11.69:1 and dropped to 10.21:1 by 5500. Way too rich to make optimum power. Fuel economy will suffer as well. The tune could be optimized. Moving to the interior, the center console support structure was cracked. The driver seat cover was cut and the plastic interior piece on the side of the driver seat by the roll bar was scratched. The roll bar was unsafe as the rear crossover bar was too close to the head of the occupants. Overall, the install looked complete. However, there were a few issues as described previously.’
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 06:08 PM
Larry Macedo's own dyno test is quite a bit high in his numbers - by 90+ rear wheel horsepower using the same 93 octane gasoline. He also dyno tested using 100 octane unleaded race gasoline and got even higher numbers, but all of my local dyno tests were done with 93 octane and as Larry delivered the car to me (except I had to buy a new battery since my battery died after sitting 5 months not on a battery tender and being exposed to 24 degree weather for less than 24 hours) and the way I would be driving it with no "tricks" to achieve high numbers that don't exist in the real world.
Underground Racing did a 3rd dyno test and was able to get around 650 rear wheel horsepower, which agrees with the 2 local dyno tests but verifies Larry's dyno test is not valid for my car as he delivered it to me.
Holy Hannah! I didn't use the spark plug recommended by the manufacturer and still produced 766/748rwhp and 848/832rwtq. Good Night! That means had I used the spark plug recommended by the manufacturer, we would have shattered the world record for a Roe that we already established... Arghhh! The irony of it all!
We originally used the VEC2 and Iridium plug, but surpassed those dyno numbers with the AEM and the plugs we chose.
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Larry Macedo
Macedo Motorsports
407.246.6511 Office
407.970.3463 Cell
Macedo Motorsports - High Performance products & service for your Viper, Porsche, Corvette, Ferrari, Hummer, Hemi Ram & more!!! (http://www.macedomotorsports.com/)
SUN RA KAT
05-26-2007, 06:14 PM
BTW - The Transmission console is an $800 part.
dale3fan3
05-27-2007, 05:23 AM
This is the port matching job Larry charged me $800.00 to do and as the pictures show... Pictures shows it all on the restriction that the air traveling through the lower intake runner encountered as it tried to pass through the head. :eek: :eek: .:tdwn::tdwn:
threetwos
05-27-2007, 06:13 PM
It almost seems that the lower intake runner was radiused by "guessing" are you sure it was "matched and not just templated? Those power numbers are unreal! Cant wait to see what it will run when A/F ratio is optimized, plugs indexed, boost and fuel curve spot on! Good Luck with the cracked center console,(800.00 ouch!), careful man, your'e SRT-10 parts are getting close to my N.O.S., yikes! :gr_patrio :rck:
SUN RA KAT
05-27-2007, 07:34 PM
It almost seems that the lower intake runner was radiused by "guessing" are you sure it was "matched and not just templated? Those power numbers are unreal! Cant wait to see what it will run when A/F ratio is optimized, plugs indexed, boost and fuel curve spot on! Good Luck with the cracked center console,(800.00 ouch!), careful man, your'e SRT-10 parts are getting close to my N.O.S., yikes! :gr_patrio :rck:Click on the attachment to make it big so you can read it and see the line up near the top of the first page where it says Port Match Intake Manifold $800.00 (there are 3 pages and you can scroll down to see all of them).
sca
05-27-2007, 07:48 PM
And he even charges you 34.50 $ for gas on a 28 000$ engine job!
hemibass
05-27-2007, 08:06 PM
And he even charges you 34.50 $ for gas on a 28 000$ engine job!
lol hope you get it right kenny 28k dam that hurts
threetwos
05-30-2007, 08:15 AM
I see he charged you the 800.00 for the port match job. Hope it exceeds all you're expectations someday as I'm sure it will. And I hope you get a great Tuner to assist you in your pursuit. You're car is unbelievable Kenny!! :rck:
SUN RA KAT
05-30-2007, 10:07 AM
The shame of the whole thing is that it doesn't take that much extra work to do the job right on the whole car and avoid all of this. Larry Macedo pretty much had my car for almost a year and a half to get things right, so what he did to my car must be his best effort.
I have a real good tuner in Underground Racing. I will be posting more photos and descriptions soon. They discovered a probable reason why Larry couldn't get my car tuned right no matter what he did. (Stay tuned, Larry - it was something small and if you had done it right in the first place...)
Right now a shortage of parts from Chrysler is holding up completion of my car, but Underground put a few borrowed parts on my car so they can work on tuning my engine until my new parts arrive. They refuse to make excuses about getting my car completed and built right the first time.
hemibass
05-30-2007, 12:07 PM
good deal
threetwos
05-30-2007, 01:50 PM
Sounds like Underground is the way to go Kenny! Good Luck and yes please keep us posted!
lebaronman
06-19-2007, 04:39 PM
Any more news to report?
SUN RA KAT
06-22-2007, 01:58 AM
My car is finished at UR. Kevin and his crew have been a pleasure to work with as they waded through fixing the mess I received from Larry Macedo. My speedometer has a minor flicker that they are looking into as a possible ground issue or maybe some errant duct tape from my $3500 fuel system. I'm finally getting the car I wanted from a professional shop who knows how to build a high performance Viper, tune it, and not disparage their own customers in the process to cover up their own poor shop practices.
dale3fan3
06-22-2007, 03:33 AM
Awesome Kenny. I'm sure Kevin did you right. I feel bad for him that he had to decipher all the problems that came out of the "other" shop.
I hope that if anything came out of this is that other people have learned what kind of a product is put out from the "other" shop and dont get burned.
sca
06-22-2007, 07:32 AM
Glad it worked out for you! Just don't post a copy of your final bill!
threetwos
06-22-2007, 07:53 AM
Yeah, we dont want to have a seizure, then again UR could probably modify the ticker for increased performance!
lebaronman
06-22-2007, 11:10 AM
My car is finished at UR. Kevin and his crew have been a pleasure to work with as they waded through fixing the mess I received from Larry Macedo. My speedometer has a minor flicker that they are looking into as a possible ground issue or maybe some errant duct tape from my $3500 fuel system. I'm finally getting the car I wanted from a professional shop who knows how to build a high performance Viper, tune it, and not disparage their own customers in the process to cover up their own poor shop practices.
I am sure that crew at UR deal with alot of AEM's . My trucks speedometer has always had a flicker somewhere around 60mph .I have a Autometer gage driven by the AEM always figured it was the AEM .
Glad to here it is done .How about some numbers ?
SUN RA KAT
06-22-2007, 12:00 PM
I didn't get a lot of sleep again last night.
Found out yesterday my Viper Tech will not help me get my Viper completed by UGR by calling them or me and report where he remembers putting any grounds on my car's electrical system.
I found out from a public post by Wendy Macedo.
My Viper Tech, Bobby Loder, was the main person who steered me into going with Macedo to do work on my car...
Bobby will NOT be calling UGR to help them with the problems they are having with your car. Thanks for leaving the message on his voicemail!
RAM MAN
06-22-2007, 03:12 PM
dang
so it continues ...
lebaronman
06-22-2007, 04:18 PM
That sucks
threetwos
06-22-2007, 04:26 PM
Man Kenny, you keep running into A@@Ho&^!! You, and your car deserve better!!
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 07:58 AM
FYI -
Bobby - my Viper Tech - he kept planting seeds of doubt about my pistons and the Roe s/c and then steered me to Macedo. He also told me getting a car back and still taking 4 months to get it to run right was normal.
Bobby also does work for Macedo here in Ohio. He kept saying I need to have my engine tore down to check my pistons - he told me so many Roe cars have had piston problems from detonation and while they are being checked you should upgrade to forged pistons and add a cam and heads at the same time. He told me he could rebuild my engine with forged pistons and I should do a cam/heads package at the same time which made sense. I planned on having him do the work in the late fall and winter of 2005, but then he steered me to Macedo telling me that Macedo knows speed secrets he didn't know and Macedo did a great job on rebuilding Tony's (another Viper owner) engine and it runs great, so I employ Macedo to rebuild my car and my car is delivered to Macedo Motorsports November 2005.
Macedo delivers my car back to me July 1, 2006 and it runs horrible. Bobby tells me that is normal for most highly modified cars and it took Tony's car 4 months to get it to run right on the street, something he didn't tell me before. (Many people have since told me that a good tuner will only deliver a car that runs right and taking 4 months after delivery is not normal.)
Bobby claims to be independent, but he calls Macedo instead of myself or Underground Racing with any help he could be in getting my car finally fixed. He also previously had stated how good my Viper ran when true independent tests showed it was tuned horrible by Macedo with wrong reach spark plugs, way too rich air/fuel ratio, valves seriously mal-adjusted, timing way off, etc.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 03:08 PM
kenny will you please stop using my name in haste.i did not do anything wrong nor did i benefit from this. i am simply trying to stay out of this as much as i can.i have tried to stay out of this but you keep bringing my name up.i hope you get the car you think you want. the reason tony's car took so long to tune is WE were trying new stuff from roe and macedo shops .with there help why do you think his car runs mid tens? please keep my name out of this. the way i see it is you blame me just as much.i am an indepedant. i have never received a dime from macedo so you can chill with that crap.see you at the track .
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 03:27 PM
Why did you call Wendy Macedo instead of Underground or myself with any help? She posted Bobby will NOT be calling UGR to help them with the problems they are having with your car. Thanks for leaving the message on his voicemail!
BTW - If you will re-read the post I made at the other site, you will see that I used you as an example of a class act on doing the right thing by fixing my wheel without giving any hassles or excuses, which is a hell of a lot more than I can say about Larry Macedo and Macedo Motorsports.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 03:51 PM
because i was told to stay away from the situation by more than one person.i thuoght i was doing the stand up thing. this is what you call stand by putting MY name all over this crap .
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 03:54 PM
because i was told to stay away from the situation by more than one person.i thuoght i was doing the stand up thing. this is what you call stand by putting MY name all over this crap .If you were truly independent you wouldn't have been calling Wendy Macedo at all when I asked you for help in getting my Viper sorted out so it would run right. I would like to think that you would like to have my Viper finally finished and running right again.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 03:56 PM
Kenny asks:
Why did you call Wendy Macedo instead of Underground or myself with any help? She posted Bobby will NOT be calling UGR to help them with the problems they are having with your car. Thanks for leaving the message on his voicemail!
Bobby States;
because i was told to stay away from the situation by more than one person.i thuoght i was doing the stand up thing. this is what you call stand by putting MY name all over this crap .
To me staying away means call no one. you apparently chose to stay in it by calling WM
fastdart
06-23-2007, 03:58 PM
like i said before mant times i DID NOT RECEIVE ONE DIME FROM THIS.the only grounds i put on the car besides the one the equipment came with were the ones you asked me to install!
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:01 PM
so i see it's time to bash me ?
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 04:05 PM
I tried to get you to respond by a PM at the other site and you did not respond. You did not return my call. Wendy posted enough to know you were in close contact with her.
If you could help with getting a car fixed and do nothing, what does that say about you?
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 04:11 PM
so i see it's time to bash me ?
No one is trying to bash you.
If what I posted is not the facts then please post what you think is correct.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:13 PM
i did not know about the pm sorry.what does it say about you to keep using my name in this crap. i thouhgt underground had messed with this stuff before?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:14 PM
i know what is correct . i shouldn't have to explain myself on this board , so i had to join to do it anyway
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:18 PM
i just read your message from the other board . why should i call you when it's all over the internet . i can read it at any time. i don't go on the boards that much. we've been at the track
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 04:27 PM
i did not know about the pm sorry.what does it say about you to keep using my name in this crap. i thouhgt underground had messed with this stuff before?
Underground asked me about knowledge about any grounds put on my car. Macedo put the AEM on but didn't take all the grounds off. I remembered you put a few grounds on my car after I got it back July 1, 2006 that helped with the surging and bucking. I know you did some good emergency work on my car at the ViperNationals when my fuses kept blowing. And with all the other work you have done on my car I thought you may have put other grounds on that may not have been reasl obvios to someone new working on it and could possibly remember so they could double check to see if they were still grounded.
That's why I asked you to call Underground or myself. I didn't ask you to call Wendy Macedo. I even left my phone number and Underground's phone number on your voicemail.
I have not used your name in this crap since my one post that got you to finally respond. I know Alley people monitor this thread so I posted it here just to get you to repond since you wouldn't respond to my PM at the Alley.
I've lost over a year and a half from my Viper running right and probably over $65,000 total to get my car right. You can see the photos and read the facts of what kind of job Larry Macedo and Macedo Motorsports did - that's not Larry bashing, either - he is responsible for what was done at his shop and he delivered to me what was shown in the photos and descriptions. Larry is his own best basher.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 04:31 PM
i just read your message from the other board . why should i call you when it's all over the internet . i can read it at any time. i don't go on the boards that much. we've been at the track
I'm glad you can go to the track because I still don't have my car to take to the track.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 04:32 PM
Underground asked me about knowledge about any grounds put on my car. Macedo put the AEM on but didn't take all the grounds off. I remembered you put a few grounds on my car after I got it back July 1, 2006 that helped with the surging and bucking. I know you did some good emergency work on my car at the ViperNationals when my fuses kept blowing. And with all the other work you have done on my car I thought you may have put other grounds on that may not have been reasl obvios to someone new working on it and could possibly remember so they could double check to see if they were still grounded.
That's why I asked you to call Underground or myself. I didn't ask you to call Wendy Macedo. I even left my phone number and Underground's phone number on your voicemail.
I have not used your name in this crap since my one post that got you to finally respond. I know Alley people monitor this thread so I posted it here just to get you to repond since you wouldn't respond to my PM at the Alley.
I've lost over a year and a half from my Viper running right and probably over $65,000 total to get my car right. You can see the photos and read the facts of what kind of job Larry Macedo and Macedo Motorsports did - that's not Larry bashing, either - he is responsible for what was done at his shop and he delivered to me what was shown in the photos and descriptions. Larry is his own best basher.:tup: :tup: :tup: :ylsuper: :dwave:
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:34 PM
i didn't know you pm'd me .i do not go on the boards much because it 's the same shit different day all the time there
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:35 PM
:tup: :tup: :tup: :ylsuper: :dwave:
grow up
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 04:44 PM
i didn't know you pm'd me .i do not go on the boards much because it 's the same shit different day all the time there
uh, that's why I called you on your cell phone and left a voicemail for you to call me or Underground with both of our phone numbers. I did not leave Wendy Macedo's phone number on my message.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 04:46 PM
grow up Well I didnt run to Wendy apparently and say Kenny called me Kenny called me.
For someone that wants to stay out of this you seem to be on macedos side from all Ive read. You were one of the ones that said Kennys car ran flawless when it was returned the 2nd time to him. Funny how all the independant tests on the car show otherwise. You seen the pictures right? Look at them again. WOULD YOU ACCEPT THAT?
You say you arent in cahoots at all with The origial tuner right. Then answer me this. Kenny has been a long time customer of yours why would you not want him to have the car he paid for here where you make money from him? Instead you side and call Wendy in Florida where you say you have no connections.
Tell me that dont look fishy.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 04:52 PM
i never said i wasn't in cahoots with him. i said i DIDN'T GET PAID NOR HAVE I BEEN ON THE PAYROLL.all you know is what he's told you right ? then why are you involved in this?why would i help underground when i'm on larry's payrool per mr. katowik?
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 04:56 PM
i never said i wasn't in cahoots with him. i said i DIDN'T GET PAID NOR HAVE I BEEN ON THE PAYROLL.all you know is what he's told you right ? then why are you involved in this?why would i help underground when i'm on larry's payrool per mr. katowik? I am involved because Kenny is a great friend of mine. I am tired of seeing him burned on his car and the landbashing he has taken over the facts that his car was delivered 2x as junk. He dont have 4 vipers like some of the other guys and when its taken from him for so long and given back so poorly he deserves to have someone on his side.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:07 PM
i have never bashed kenny one time. the problem i have with kenny is he brought my daughters name on the board. to you this maybe alright but to me that is unacceptable comparing a car to a child.i hope he gets the car he wants.i really do,but bringing everybody else into this is crazy.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:08 PM
sound like your're on his payroll
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 05:10 PM
i never said i wasn't in cahoots with him. i said i DIDN'T GET PAID NOR HAVE I BEEN ON THE PAYROLL.all you know is what he's told you right ? then why are you involved in this?why would i help underground when i'm on larry's payrool per mr. katowik?
I never said you were on Larry's payroll.
But you seem all too eager to say you weren't being paid to make sure I went to Larry and no one said or even suggested that you were. That in itself seems odd.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:23 PM
i never said i wasn't in cahoots with him. i said i DIDN'T GET PAID NOR HAVE I BEEN ON THE PAYROLL.all you know is what he's told you right ? then why are you involved in this?why would i help underground when i'm on larry's payrool per mr. katowik? You still havent answered the question. Would you accept the car that Kenny got for $28,000?
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:24 PM
sound like your're on his payroll I never said I wasnt in cahoots with Kenny. I said Im his Friend.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:30 PM
i have never bashed kenny one time. the problem i have with kenny is he brought my daughters name on the board. to you this maybe alright but to me that is unacceptable comparing a car to a child.i hope he gets the car he wants.i really do,but bringing everybody else into this is crazy. Understand that Kennys car is his child. Seeing his daughter is older now. So he treats his Viper like his baby. The same as I consider my truck my baby. Anyone that loves their vehicle calls it their baby etc.
I know Kenny well enough now that he would never say anything bad or nagative about anyone children.
BY the way he calls his viper the EAK mobile right? Do you realize that is his daughters initials? Emily Anne Katowik
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
what?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:46 PM
i'm touched by the comment , but it's still JUST a car.i have two trucks and a racecar and drive all kinds of cars.none of them have names
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:48 PM
what? IF you would quote what you need a answer too I could help you. Im that kind of guy..
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:49 PM
i'm touched by the comment , but it's still JUST a car.i have two trucks and a racecar and drive all kinds of cars.none of them have names You are one of the few then fastdart. Most people have some name for their ride. Any carbuff knows that.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 05:53 PM
I have edited out the use of your last name in my post since Wendy Double Trouble Macedo only used your first name.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:53 PM
i've been racing for 21 years. meet many people and have driven cars for most of them,built cars or projects for most of them.no names on most of them
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:55 PM
I have edited out the use of your last name in my post since Wendy Double Trouble Macedo only used your first name.
sure that help out a bunch
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:55 PM
i've been racing for 21 years. meet many people and have driven cars for most of them,built cars or projects for most of them.no names on most of them OK so in your area it may not be popular but even nascar racers have names for their favorite cars. Its a well known fact.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 05:58 PM
Fastdart I still want to know your answer on if you would have accepted the work that Kenny paid so much for? You seem to keep skipping that part of the posts. I bet you would be extremely upset too if you droopped that kind of coin.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:58 PM
don't like nascar. names don't seem to help nor does rabbit feet , lucky underware .......
fastdart
06-23-2007, 05:59 PM
like i said before i do all of my own work that is my answer
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:01 PM
like i said before i do all of my own work that is my answer OK would you do that kind of work on your own car?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:03 PM
why is my workmanship coming into this ? if he is not happy then he'll do what he has to do . ask what kind of work i do?
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:05 PM
why is my workmanship coming into this ? if he is not happy then he'll do what he has to do . ask what kind of work i do? That does not answer my question. Would you do the kind of work on your personal car that was done on kennys and accept it and call it compete?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:06 PM
didn't have to fix anything on the other two m2 cars the we drive
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:09 PM
didn't have to fix anything on the other two m2 cars the we drive That bush is pretty big your beating around. You obviosly can't honestly answer the question so you are dodging it.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:10 PM
why is my workmanship coming into this ? if he is not happy then he'll do what he has to do . ask what kind of work i do?I think he's asking if you would build your own car with the fuel pump and fuel line inches away from your driveshaft and have no safety loops, have the connecting rod bolts in a variety of torques, barely tighten down the heads so coolant leaks into the block and supply no heat in the heater, port match the intake manifold so it doesn't match any of the ports, over tighten by 2 turns the valve adjusters on the roller rockers, add timing when timing should have been reduced instead, leave grounds on when your AEM says to remove all grounds, tune it for a way you are not going to drive it, etc., etc., etc. ...and take a year and a half to do all that?
Would that be how you would do it?
It would be just the opposite of what work you've done for me in the past would be.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:12 PM
obviously theres only one answer you'll take anyway
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:14 PM
i can't speak for larry so don't ask me to
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:16 PM
obviously theres only one answer you'll take anyway NO theres not if in your honest opinion you would have accepted what Kenny has posted in the pictures for what he paid thats your decision but I know if you are as big of a car buff as you say you are. That was not acceptable. You wont say it because you are in m2 corner and have his back but I have the feeling how you are saying your answers they are safe.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:18 PM
i can't speak for larry so don't ask me to Nobody asked you to speak for Larry. We are asking you if what Kenny recieved is acceptable for $28,000
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:20 PM
No one is asking you to speak for Larry - Larry took about a year and a half to make my car what it was and only charged me $28,000 for to privelege.
Would YOU accept what he did to me if it were your own car?
Would you work on your own car and do what he did - take a year and a half and do such a bad job that practically everything had to be done over?
I know you know how to do things right, but what if for some reason you did almost everything wrong?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:20 PM
i'm am in neither corner . you say you are in his corner (kenny's)but i know both of them so how do you think this situation makes me feel. no happy ending?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:22 PM
sounds like you're trying to get get a third party to admit guilt, just to say see i told you so.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:24 PM
i'm am in neither corner . you say you are in his corner (kenny's)but i know both of them so how do you think this situation makes me feel. no happy ending? I know your in between a rock and a hard place Bobby. BUt you not coming out and clearly saying on the boards that you would have accepted what Kenny got for the coin he dropped says it all.
Bobby I dont know you at all I am not trying to make you look bad. You seen how Kenny was treated on the other boards. How he was belittled and drug through the dirt.
Funny how now that pictures are posted the mockers have turned aint it?
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:26 PM
I'm your paying customer and Macedo doesn't pay you anything, so when I need help and call you then you go straight to Wendy Macedo who posts Bobby won't be helping me.
Somehow, that doesn't seem anywhere close to right...especially since you say you are independent and also want me to have my car back the way I want it.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:27 PM
sounds like you're trying to get get a third party to admit guilt, just to say see i told you so. You are not guilty of the build Kenny got. I have never said that.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:29 PM
i' m not involved in this this but my name keeps getting brought up[. just because i still talk to the m2 crew makes me a bad guy ?i have offered no more information to anybody on the boards that has'nt been brought up by other parties, and my silence about the situation is my choice .
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:34 PM
i' m not involved in this this but my name keeps getting brought up[. just because i still talk to the m2 crew makes me a bad guy ?i have offered no more information to anybody on the boards that has'nt been brought up by other parties, and my silence about the situation is my choice . I dont care you are friends with M2. You are allowed. BTW Wendy at M2 threw you under the bus with her comment that you called her and wouldnt be helping. Good friend Huh?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:39 PM
same as kenny dragging my name onto this board so i would respond .
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:44 PM
sounds like you got me all figured out?
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:44 PM
same as kenny dragging my name onto this board so i would respond . Why did Wendy have to bring it up at all? It served her nothing but to say we control Bobby and he wont be helping you.
I honestly feel bad for you Bobby. Like I stated your in a bad place. You know what kenny got wasnt right or even close to it. You cant say it because of your association with M2.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:45 PM
I tried to get you to respond to my phone call and Wendy Macedo posts your name and you would not be helping me on the Alley - a site that gets a lot of Viper traffic. I posted here because I knew you would be alerted to come here and you would respond - this site has little Viper traffic - I would like to know why you went to Wendy Macedo instead of me when I asked you to call me. I would also like to know if you would accept a car you paid $28,000 for and waited a year and a half for if it was delivered to you in the condition mine was.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 06:46 PM
I never said you were a bad guy or a bad viper tech. Kenny has always spoke highly of you and your work. This whole situation sucks.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:48 PM
If you want to know who you're dealing with ask Cudaman about his Macedo experience.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:51 PM
i was trying to stay out of it .if you must know we were talking about me possibly driving a car from one of there customers
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 06:54 PM
i was trying to stay out of it .if you must know we were talking about me possibly driving a car from one of there customers Wendy put you right in it.
Good luck on the ride.
You might want to check the internal engine parts for being within the correct torque specs first.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 06:57 PM
i never do it in the blue car
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 07:00 PM
i was trying to stay out of it .if you must know we were talking about me possibly driving a car from one of there customers We all know that problems can happen in a build. Its how it is handled and corrected that is what matters. Its plain as day how this was handled by what Kenny has gotten back on the retune. Bobby I personally have no issues with you. What it comes down to for me is Kenny has been burned on his car and beaten down so bad that as his friend I had to step up and help defend him.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 07:00 PM
Do you have any theories as to why Macedo Motorsports can build such good cars and also build POS like they did mine?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 07:01 PM
i don't think she did.if anything both parties did.thanks i think?
fastdart
06-23-2007, 07:02 PM
i don't know maybe the color j/k
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 07:06 PM
I know, I can't figure out a theory myself either.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 07:09 PM
Welcome to DodgeTalk, Bobby.
It's great to have you here.
Sorry we were a little hard on you today.
Wendy sort of put you in the spotlight.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 07:11 PM
i just don't know what you want me to say or do?i haven't gained anything from this situation.i would have liked to have been left out for once.
fastdart
06-23-2007, 07:12 PM
nobody is hard on me , i have big shoulders.
SUN RA KAT
06-23-2007, 07:26 PM
i just don't know what you want me to say or do? i haven't gained anything from this situation. i would have liked to have been left out for once.
I've lost most everything.
Not as much as me.
dale3fan3
06-23-2007, 07:40 PM
i just don't know what you want me to say or do?i haven't gained anything from this situation.i would have liked to have been left out for once. Bobby I will say sorry to you as well.
Hopefully UR gets this fiasco worked out. I put you in the corner and I know I did. I know that if Kennys car was right in the first place or even the 2nd place None of this would have happen and Kenny would be speaking nothing but praise of M2. Him being ridiculed belittled etc and people saying he shouldnt have a modded car are fools. All kenny is doing is letting people know his experience with M2. Unfortunately it was not a pleasant or a good one. Nobody would be on him if he raved about his car being right would they?
I believe Kenny has a right to post his experience good or bad and this one was bad.
SUN RA KAT
06-30-2007, 03:01 PM
This is the same photo - the original and one done in Auto Fix in Adobe Photoshop Album Starter Edition to bring out what was too dark to see in the original photo.
$3,500 Duct Tape Fuel System upgrade from Macedo Motorsports - clicky to make biggy.
threetwos
07-01-2007, 10:18 AM
On aircraft, this would be red flagged,(U.S.A.F.), and the technician brought up on criminal charges,(UCMJ). No joke. No offense, to your awesome car Kenny! They should have used either Socketless/quick connects or a permanent Stainless H.P. connector. That way is sure to leak and spray all over that electrical connector! Thank God it didnt burn down to the ground Kenny! :gr_patrio
Plumcrazy
07-04-2007, 05:41 AM
any new updates ???
im glad to hear you went with a paxton finally. if you wanted big numbers, you got them with the paxton and UR.
SUN RA KAT
07-15-2007, 07:13 AM
The EAKMOBILE is back home! :D
What a wonderful experience it was dealing with Underground Racing. The pride of workmanship and dedication to excellence sets the standard for all other tuners. Kevin, KC, Mike, and Scott - the great people at Underground Racing - are like family to my wife and myself now.
hemibass
07-15-2007, 07:50 AM
so how she run??? is it scarry fast lol
RAM MAN
07-15-2007, 09:08 AM
Awesome and congrats
time for some detailing and then = watch out
glad its finally ready to enjoy
SUN RA KAT
07-15-2007, 09:43 AM
3rd gear now feels like 1st gear did with my Roe supercharger did when I only had around 620 rwHP.
I will be posting photos, dyno graphs, and more soon.
threetwos
07-15-2007, 09:43 AM
Glad to hear it! Yes, please pics! :D :rck:
SUN RA KAT
07-15-2007, 10:55 AM
With catalytic converters on (the way it runs on the street & strip) -
threetwos
07-15-2007, 11:29 AM
Thats just incredible. Your serpent makes almost 3x times the RWHP as my vintage 440. And you still have at least 50 M.P.H. Left! I bet you have to "peel" yourself outta that cockpit Kenny!! Very impressive!
LB3711
07-15-2007, 12:46 PM
damn thats awesome Kenny. Over 1k HP at the wheels WOW
hemi_dakota94
07-15-2007, 04:38 PM
Those numbers are damn impressive!! Its great to know that you finally found a tuner worth half a crap, let alone as GREAT as UGR has been to you. Congrats on getting the car you always wanted.
Are there any driveability issues?
mopar fan
07-15-2007, 05:15 PM
Those numbers are damn impressive!! Its great to know that you finally found a tuner worth half a crap, let alone as GREAT as UGR has been to you. Congrats on getting the car you always wanted.
Are there any driveability issues?That's what I want to know. That's a lot of HP to the rear wheels.:crazy:
SUN RA KAT
07-15-2007, 06:48 PM
Those numbers are damn impressive!! Its great to know that you finally found a tuner worth half a crap, let alone as GREAT as UGR has been to you. Congrats on getting the car you always wanted.
Are there any driveability issues? Yes, this driver is scared to floor it.
Kevin of UGR took me on a ride to show it to me when we got to Underground Racing on Friday. 3rd gear felt like 1st gear did in 2005 (before Macedo) back when I only had 620 rwHP. I'm going to have to get a lot of seat time in it and work on learning how to drive it - there's no doubt about it...this is an EAKMOBILE. The ViperNationals are in Columbus, Ohio August 10 & 11th and I would like to run 10.5 ET consistantly.
At regular throttle levels this car runs smooth as silk. :D
Plumcrazy
07-15-2007, 07:04 PM
thats the exact reason i went with a paxton. you get great drivability around town and a heck of a ride when you go WOT.
SRK, that dyno sheet has me thinking hard now. I know im not gonna be that high, but damn it is possible.
you have a PM
lebaronman
07-15-2007, 07:34 PM
Wow thats some great numbers . Glad to see you with your car back . Clean her up and make up for all that lost time with her. Just wondering what size injectors are you using?
mopar fan
07-16-2007, 04:43 AM
Yes, this driver is scared to floor it.
Kevin of UGR took me on a ride to show it to me when we got to Underground Racing on Friday. 3rd gear felt like 1st gear did in 2005 (before Macedo) back when I only had 620 rwHP. I'm going to have to get a lot of seat time in it and work on learning how to drive it - there's no doubt about it...this is an EAKMOBILE. The ViperNationals are in Columbus, Ohio August 10 & 11th and I would like to run 10.5 ET consistantly.
At regular throttle levels this car runs smooth as silk. :DKenny that 10.5 I'm assumming is on street tires? I would think with slicks you would easily slip into the 9's.
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 07:27 AM
That would be with street tires, Al.
I drive it to the track, on the track, and home from the track.
cbrenn71
07-16-2007, 07:48 AM
kenny - when do i get a ride in the EAK ? :)
I'm local ya know? lol.
Glad it's back. and wow, those numbers are incredible. I'd like to see you run in columbus sometime. Let me know when you go!
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 12:00 PM
kenny - when do i get a ride in the EAK ? :)
I'm local ya know? lol.
Glad it's back. and wow, those numbers are incredible. I'd like to see you run in columbus sometime. Let me know when you go!
You will be going for a ride in the EAK very soon, Chad. Get with me so we can get together & also call the weather bureau and request dry weather.
I'm running in Columbus August 10-11th in the Viper Nationals (part of the MOPAR Nationals).
I gotta do seat time to start to get used to this insane amount of power and also do as many test and tunes as I can do to get ready for the Viper Nationals.
cbrenn71
07-16-2007, 12:35 PM
Let me ask you this - How many sets of tires are you taking with you to the Mopar Nats? LOL
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 02:44 PM
Let me ask you this - How many sets of tires are you taking with you to the Mopar Nats? LOL
I have a brand new set of rear tires I want to put on this Friday...
mopar fan
07-16-2007, 02:56 PM
I have a brand new set of rear tires I want to put on this Friday...And another the next Friday, etc, etc!:D
cbrenn71
07-16-2007, 03:03 PM
And another the next Friday, etc, etc!:D
LOL. Exactely. Thats what i was getting at.
Kenny - exactly what tire do you put on a car that makes 1000+ horse to the wheels and is streetable?
And how does it feel to know that somebody from Macedo is seeing these numbers? They were getting 700 odd horse without cats, and you're getting 1000+ with cats.
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 03:25 PM
LOL. Exactely. Thats what i was getting at.
Kenny - exactly what tire do you put on a car that makes 1000+ horse to the wheels and is streetable?
And how does it feel to know that somebody from Macedo is seeing these numbers? They were getting 700 odd horse without cats, and you're getting 1000+ with cats.
Michelin Pilot Sports - they are rated for 200 MPH in the Viper size - 335x30x18. There are other highly rated tires, too.
Macedo's dyno sheet said he had given my Viper around 750 rwHP, but three independent dyno operators could barely get 650 rwHP. Someone isn't telling the truth - is it the three independent dyno operators or is it Macedo? Larry Macedo used the wrong reach too short spark plugs and removed my catalytic converters when he got his big numbers. Underground Racing left my catalytic converters on and had everything in the engine and fuel system right when they got their big numbers. Larry's $3,500 fuel system used a single pick up in the fuel tank that was 0.4165 inches inside diameter - a much too small diameter for his claimed mid 700's in power.
It's physically impossible to get more than the low 700's from a Roe supercharger and anyone who claims the mid 700's is full of male cow feces.
i would thinkn you went with the PS2's since they are stickier
mopar fan
07-16-2007, 05:17 PM
i would thinkn you went with the PS2's since they are stickierWith Larry's tune he could have went with F70/ 70/ 18's and been ok!:D
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 05:27 PM
i would thinkn you went with the PS2's since they are stickier
I had come across a deal I couldn't refuse a couple of years ago - 2 rear Pilot Sports with the "C" casing for the Viper for only $375, which included shipping. I was hoping to put them on last year, but I had Macedo Problems the whole year and this will be the first time I can put them on. The rubber is still pliable with my thumb.
mopar fan
07-16-2007, 05:39 PM
I had come across a deal I couldn't refuse a couple of years ago - 2 rear Pilot Sports with the "C" casing for the Viper for only $375, which included shipping. I was hoping to put them on last year, but I had Macedo Problems the whole year and this will be the first time I can put them on. The rubber is still pliable with my thumb.After all this time Kenny check them for dry rot!
nickd907
07-16-2007, 06:00 PM
Damn that is some awesome numbers Kenny. Glad you were able to get a good shop. I have seen some videos from that shop on line and stuff about them on tv. They seem to be the shop to goto if you have a viper.
SUN RA KAT
07-16-2007, 06:36 PM
Tires look fine - both are brand new but made several years ago - plan on using them up quickly since I will need new front tires in a year.
Plan on getting stickier tires - PS2 is top of my list, but perhaps Kuhmos or whatever else is real good next year will also be considered.
SUN RA KAT
07-17-2007, 08:44 PM
Here's some photos -
SUN RA KAT
07-17-2007, 08:52 PM
More photos -
dale3fan3
07-18-2007, 06:42 AM
KEnny its great you have her back man. and the #s look incredible. I like the fact you got what you asked for a reliable high powered vehicle that can be driven on the street and at the track safely.
To those telling Kenny to clean her up etc....... UGR COMPLETELY detailed his car inside outside underside etc. It wasn't given back with no pride involved. From what I was told on the phone it was cleaner then when he Bought it new. This is a shop that cares what drives out of their doors.
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 06:53 AM
That's right, Craig - Underground Racing detailed the underside of my car as well as the sides above the road - they even did my windows.
hemibass
07-18-2007, 07:24 AM
dam thats great to hear have fun and be safe
threetwos
07-18-2007, 08:14 AM
It's stunning! Beautiful and fast! Good Luck at the Nats with it Kenny! :rck:
nickd907
07-18-2007, 03:02 PM
damn Kenny, you are a big boy for that car ;D, is it very comfortable? And yes I know you didnt buy to be comfortable. :D
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 03:59 PM
damn Kenny, you are a big boy for that car ;D, is it very comfortable? And yes I know you didnt buy to be comfortable. :DActually once I get in, it is very comfortable - it's sorta like falling down a hole - my seats are lowered 2" in back and raised to almost stock height in front. My head with helmet just barely doesn't touch the roof. I would like more leg room, but I velcroed a computer wrist gel pad to the side of the transmission for my knee to rest against and I was very comfortable for the entire trip from Charlotte, N. Carolina to Dayton, Ohio. I also put on water wader slippers to give me an extra 1/4" leg room.
However, it's like falling up out of a hole to get out of it...
The ride quality of the 2001-2002 Vipers was improved over the earlier Vipers and that helps, too.
nickd907 - There's a good chance for Northern Lights the night of the 20th - Friday night.
nickd907
07-18-2007, 04:16 PM
nickd907 - There's a good chance for Northern Lights the night of the 20th - Friday night. [/QUOTE]
Where did you find that out at?
Where in ak, I know some one here who I dont think has seen it
It is generally better activity in the winter.
BTW any recomendations on year vipers are better then others.
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 04:27 PM
nickd907 - There's a good chance for Northern Lights the night of the 20th - Friday night.
Where did you find that out at?
Where in ak, I know some one here who I dont think has seen it
It is generally better activity in the winter.
BTW any recomendations on year vipers are better then others.
================================================== =====
http://www.spaceweather.com/ (http://www.spaceweather.com/) - look when it gets dark (around midnight)
The 2001-2008 Vipers have ABS
The 1992-1999 Vipers have forged pistons.
Some colors are one or two years only. Check below -
http://www.theviperregistry.org/features.php
1992-1995 Viper RT-10s are Gen I convertibles.
1996 Viper RT-10 has a Gen I engine and a Gen II body
1996-2002 Viper GTS are Gen II coupes
1997-2002 Viper RT-10 are Gen II converibles
2003-2006 Viper SRT-10s are Gen III convertibles and coupes
2007 Vipers don't exist
2008 Vipers are Gen IV convertibles and coupes
nickd907
07-18-2007, 04:38 PM
LOL it dont get dark at midnight, it wont be completely dark until about 2 am
They didnt make vipers in 2007?
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 04:58 PM
No Vipers were made for model year 2007.
The 2008 Vipers will be made starting in a couple of weeks.
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html is a good place to check to see if you want to be up at 2 AM.
nickd907
07-18-2007, 05:42 PM
is that link showing the level of activity of the northeren lights?
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 05:45 PM
is that link showing the level of activity of the northeren lights?
Yep. The more intense the color the more likely Northern Lights are turned on. I can see them if they are 200 miles from me down here in Ohio. You can see them many more nights than the lower 49 states.
nickd907
07-18-2007, 06:09 PM
oh ok, yea by the looks of the map, most activity is way up north from me. I live in anchorage.
SUN RA KAT
07-18-2007, 06:14 PM
oh ok, yea by the looks of the map, most activity is way up north from me. I live in anchorage.
It's unusually quiet right now. Normally the colors are more intense and much further south. Keep checking because sometimes when solar activity is high big changes happen in an hour or so.
hemi_dakota94
07-18-2007, 09:52 PM
Kenny, I bet UGR even delivered it in an enclosed trailer! What a novel idea for a tuner of exotic cars!! ;)
SUN RA KAT
07-19-2007, 10:18 AM
Actually, Nancie and myself flew down to Underground Racing to pick up and drive my Viper home. When we got there we found out they had detailed the entire underside of my Viper as well as the top side that most people would see. Good isn't good enough for Underground Racing - only excellent will do.
blk_fxstc
07-19-2007, 12:29 PM
Actually, Nancie and myself flew down to Underground Racing to pick up and drive my Viper home. When we got there we found out they had detailed the entire underside of my Viper as well as the top side that most people would see. Good isn't good enough for Underground Racing - only excellent will do.
Question is: did you miss all the rain??? :D
I drove thru a lot of it on the way back to Houston from South Carolina when I bought mine..... ;)
SUN RA KAT
07-19-2007, 01:46 PM
We had a little misty type rain while in Charlotte.
Now that I'm back in Ohio we're trying to get out of the drought - but the rains will end tomorrow and be perfect Saturday for Test and Tune at a local track. I'll be safe and start slow releaning how to drive it at the track. It has a whole lot more power than I've even imagined driving, so I'll be taking baby steps with it.
blk_fxstc
07-19-2007, 01:51 PM
Well Kenny, maybe you can help me with this then:
I had to drive the car to work today because I need to get it inspected before the state of Texas will let me title it. It has been raining a lot today and the passenger floorboard is wet. Thru research, I think it is coming in thru the passenger grill in the hood (not thru the doors or anywhere else). Apparently this A/C box below the grill will leak into the interior if it fills up faster than the drain can drain. Do you know anything about this? Thanks!
Eric
SUN RA KAT
07-19-2007, 02:52 PM
"Do you know anything about this?"
Yes, I do - Underground Racing fixed that same problem on my Viper when I picked it up from them this past weekend. It took them about 2 minutes to fix it and it was something to do with the passenger side venting under the hood. I sent an email to Underground Racing to find out exactly what they did so I can tell you.
blk_fxstc
07-19-2007, 03:28 PM
Thank you Kenny for your help! :D
SUN RA KAT
07-20-2007, 08:44 AM
"Im not sure what that could be.. he needs to get it to a Dodge dealer asap!"
Kevin
blk_fxstc
07-20-2007, 09:01 AM
Thanks Kenny!
I took the airbox apart under the passenger grill and the drain is working correctly, so my leak is somewhere else. Next time it rains I will sit in the passenger seat and get it figured out. I will not take it to a dealer unless absolutely necessary!!! :)
I'm gonna drive it in rain as little as possible - I'm more worried about when I wash it... :)
dale3fan3
07-20-2007, 09:09 AM
Thanks Kenny!
I took the airbox apart under the passenger grill and the drain is working correctly, so my leak is somewhere else. Next time it rains I will sit in the passenger seat and get it figured out. I will not take it to a dealer unless absolutely necessary!!! :)
I'm gonna drive it in rain as little as possible - I'm more worried about when I wash it... :) Why not try the simple way have someone outside with a hose and you look around inside to see if it is a leak or something that needs a driving rain while driving to cause it.
blk_fxstc
07-20-2007, 09:20 AM
Yep, thought about that right after I made this post - too busy thinking about something else right now..... LOL!!! :D
Thanks for the suggestion, and me not concentrating!! :D
SUN RA KAT
07-20-2007, 06:57 PM
Here's some photos - clicky to make biggy -
SUN RA KAT
07-20-2007, 07:01 PM
Some more -
dale3fan3
07-20-2007, 07:03 PM
wow looking awesome
pirahnah3
07-20-2007, 07:06 PM
ooooooo shiney!!!!
nickd907
07-20-2007, 07:26 PM
WOW, now that is pretty
SUN RA KAT
07-20-2007, 07:31 PM
Nick - the Northern Lights are far south as the Arctic Circle tonight, so check on them when it gets dark.
nickd907
07-20-2007, 07:34 PM
I think that is going to be to far away for me to see, and it is getting overcast now.
SUN RA KAT
07-20-2007, 07:40 PM
I had a small crack in my console about an inch long that was imperceptible before my car went to Larry Macedo, but when my car was returned July 1, 2006 my console had picked up several easy to see big cracks while it was at Macedo Motorsports.
The console is around $800 and I had a new one put on at Underground Racing. These photos show you how my original console looked when it was removed.
sherdep
07-20-2007, 08:08 PM
Wow Kenny .. Looking Good
hemibass
07-20-2007, 08:26 PM
my god is that blower huge lol do not stand to close lol looks great kenny
mopar fan
07-21-2007, 04:58 AM
:IDEA: Dodge should color match the motor to the color of the car. Now that would be awesome.:D
Plumcrazy
07-21-2007, 05:22 AM
looks great.
and i agree the engine color doesnt work, so i changed mine just the other day..
kenny, how has it been running and driving ?
dale3fan3
07-21-2007, 07:03 AM
I agree on the color but after all that Kenny had to drop to pay for the first mistake by the other tuner and then pay to have that huge mistake fixed some things Im sure have to wait. Beside KEnnys car is about GO not show.
davebenn
07-21-2007, 11:12 AM
Glad to see you finally have your car back after such a long ordeal.
dale3fan3
07-22-2007, 05:31 AM
Well Kenny I know you were going to the track last night. IF you did.... Whats the word on track performance and characteristics? I want to know drivability at WOT and did the EAK stay fairly straight for you. I know you were going to take babysteps learning your new power but what times did you manage? did you break your Roe SC times personal best or after loosing the car for over 2 yrs are you not quite back to that speed yet?
TELL US TELL US
sherdep
07-22-2007, 06:18 AM
Well Kenny I know you were going to the track last night. IF you did.... Whats the word on track performance and characteristics? I want to know drivability at WOT and did the EAK stay fairly straight for you. I know you were going to take babysteps learning your new power but what times did you manage? did you break your Roe SC times personal best or after loosing the car for over 2 yrs are you not quite back to that speed yet?
TELL US TELL US
I agree inquiring minds want to know
SUN RA KAT
07-22-2007, 11:00 AM
Took it to the track yesterday afternoon for the first time since getting it back from Underground Racing. My Viper Tech, Bobby and his friend Chris met us at the track to help me relearn how to drag race. Nancie was the photographer.
The track's tech inspection consisted of just signing a legal paper - they didn't look at the cars at all. I remembered how to spell my name so I passed tech inspection. I got in line and in a few minutes I was lining up on the starting line. I was paired against a late model Firebird. Baby steps I reminded myself, baby steps.
The Christmas tree does the countdown and I tried to leave as soon as I saw the final yellow light. The Firebird's driver has much better reaction time than me and she's way ahead as I leave the line. Baby steps for me, baby steps. I run at part throttle and just start to hit the power band in 1st gear and am catching the Firebird quickly. I shift into 2nd gear still at part throttle.
Then without warning I'm spinning around going backwards and towards the Firebird - I continue spinning and miss her by a car length and a half but I'm heading towards the concrete wall. I continue to spin and miss the wall by 2 feet. I'm working the steering the whole time trying not to hit anything or anyone. I then come to a stop and let the engine die. I restart the engine and get back in my lane and gently finish my run.
I had gone to the potty before we left for the track so there was no mess to clean up.
My ET & MPH for my 1st run was 48.075 seconds @ 39.79 MPH.
It took me about an hour to get enough courage to make a 2nd run. I have a whole new understanding and appreciation of those who drive the really powerful cars down the track.
I was advised to use the other lane by my Viper Tech and for the rest of the time I made all of my runs in the other lane. My 2nd run was around 16 seconds and 89 MPH. Baby steps.
My next 3 runs were all in the mid 13's ET and high 120's MPH. I didn't get it floored until top end of 3rd gear and all of 4th gear. By the time I went through the 2nd timing light I was going in the mid 140's MPH.
I'm going to have my new old tires put on this week - I still have over half tread on my rear tires, but after my excursion on my first run I want better tires on.
I've still gone faster in my old Roe supercharged Viper in 2005 with only around 620 rear wheel horsepower but once I can do more aggressive launches and runs down the track I will easily break my old record.
Here's some photos by Nancie of my first run and spin - clicky to make biigy -
SUN RA KAT
07-22-2007, 11:03 AM
Somehow the first three photos above got out of the order I posted...number 3 should be number 1, number 2 should be number 2, and the first photo should be number 3...
Here's a photo of a much more normal run -
sherdep
07-22-2007, 11:08 AM
Glad to see you made it without any incidents Kenny especially waiting this long to get the Eak Mobile back ... sounds to me like you do need to relearn the car with that much horsepower ..... which would be for any of us knowing that you havent had the car for so long. Good Luck and let us know how things are coming along.
LB3711
07-22-2007, 11:15 AM
wow thats crazy. Lot to relearn with all that extra power
dale3fan3
07-22-2007, 12:43 PM
Well Kenny dont let it get to ya. You didnt wreck and it can be used as a learning experience. Get more time in the car. I give you credit for being honest and telling us you spun out on your first run. It has happen to the best of drivers. MAybe you should lok into a drag racing school to learn how to handle 1000 rwhp
dale3fan3
07-22-2007, 12:45 PM
Oh I give Nancie credit for keeping up with photos while you spun
lebaronman
07-22-2007, 12:49 PM
WOW Glad you and the car was not hurt. Glad you took care of the bodily needs before the run.
Plumcrazy
07-22-2007, 02:43 PM
wow, i was cringing while i read that story. im glad you made it thru safely. That is a whole different deal trying to handle that power you put down now compared to what it WAS.....and it does it so differently too.
you're scaring me with the tires though. what is the date on the new ones going on ? and what kind are they ? if they're old, toss them out. its just not safe to run old tires on these already near impossible cars to launch.
its not worth wrecking that nice car over what a $500-$600 set of new DR's or even a set of PS2's.......it just doesnt make sense after what ya been thru and spent already. I know its easy for ME to spend YOUR money, but it really isnt worth it.
got a set of DR's ?
blk_fxstc
07-22-2007, 08:39 PM
You definitely needs slicks bud with 1000+ hp!!!! :D
Baby steps is the right way! :)
RAM MAN
07-22-2007, 08:42 PM
no wheelie bars or a parachute yet ?
what G force are you running ?
we are going to have to start calling you Kenny G ....
wait ... no that won't work
L O L
dale3fan3
07-23-2007, 03:57 AM
no wheelie bars or a parachute yet ?
what G force are you running ?
we are going to have to start calling you Kenny G ....
wait ... no that won't work
L O L Kenny V :D
kruser79
07-23-2007, 05:11 AM
Whoa Kenny! I can't remember the last time I saw someone having to deal with nearly double the horsepower output!
You did right though. Chalk that little whoop-de-doo up to a VERY steep learning curve! Even baby steps can be tough when they're taken with a beast, lol.
Have you possibly surpassed the ability of DOT approved stuff? Given any thought to race only tires?
mopar fan
07-23-2007, 06:22 PM
Glad to see you finally have your car back after such a long ordeal.How did I miss this post! Hi Dave!!!!
davebenn
07-23-2007, 06:40 PM
hey Mopar fan, drove by your house on Sat. Was going to take you for a ride in the Viper but you weren't home. I'll catch up with you in the near future, you'll like how it runs now!
mopar fan
07-24-2007, 04:37 AM
hey Mopar fan, drove by your house on Sat. Was going to take you for a ride in the Viper but you weren't home. I'll catch up with you in the near future, you'll like how it runs now!Sorry I missed you Dave. I was attending one of Karan's family reunions.:( Fun,fun!
nickd907
07-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Damn Kenny that sucks, glad you ended up 2ft away from the wall. Hopefully you get some slicks and maybe a drag racing class or two, cant hurt.
SUN RA KAT
07-24-2007, 02:24 PM
$3,500 Larry Macedo/Macedo Motorsports Fuel System - $500 for installation and $3,000 for the fuel system. The Macedo fuel system was to support safely an engine that would be "at least the high 700's in power and quite possibly in the low to mid 800's" when it was installed.
Photo #1 is the fuel pump and fuel lines. The noise of the fuel pump permeates the interior of the car because it is bolted to the frame and was quite loud. The fuel pump and fuel lines are just inches away from the driveshaft. Larry Macedo chose not to put a driveshaft safety loop on my car.
Photo #2 and #3 are the same photo - photo #3 was processed using a free program set on "Auto Fix" to bring out the details in the too dark area of photo #2.
Notice the silver duct tape holding together and sealing the gasoline lines in the engine compartment where they split into two smaller lines, each going to a fuel rail.
The fuel system pick up was installed on the driver's side of the fuel tank. However, the white O-rings to seal the system were compressed and distorted on both the inside and outside of the fuel tank. During the short time I had my car back before it went back for 5 months to Macedo Motorsports to be fixed both my wife and other people and myself noticed the smell of gasoline when I pulled my Viper in the garage. The O-rings were so distorted that I'm guessing they did not provide a good seal.
The end that looks like tin snips cut it was where Underground Racing cut the single fuel pick up pipe that was in the tank aimed at the bottom of the tank. The pipe was cut to remove the Macedo fuel system pick up and seal my gas tank properly so it would not leak.
Just look at the white O-rings in the photos - everything else is OK.
The first photo is the single pick up of the Macedo $3,500 fuel system for an engine that was supposed to have "at least the high 700's in power and quite possibly the low to mid 800's" at the rear wheels after driving my Roe Supercharger. The left side of the tube was cut to be able to remove the O-rings from the gas tank and the right side is where the gasoline pick up is. That's also the angle it ran from the side of the gas tank to around the bottom of the tank. The pick up point was on the far right side of the gas tank where it would not pick up fuel in a right hand turn if the gasoline level was low.
The second photo shows the outside diameter of the single pick up tube.
The third photo shows the inside diameter of the single pick up tube.
The fourth photo shows the intake of the tube where it picked up fuel.
That's what the Macedo $3,500 fuel system looks like.
hey for 3k I can at least debur the pipe for ya lol
SUN RA KAT
07-26-2007, 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by flyeaglesfly http://www.viperalley.com/forum/bigred/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/57016-record-12.html#post883429)
Better yet M2, why not just give him his money back that he paid you for everything!! None of what you did to the car was right. That would be the best thing you could do and the whole situation would be over. Right now you just look like a crook.
I would have to agree - if Larry Macedo spent a few more minutes on each aspect of my build with Macedo Motorsports (M2) to do a good job - probably no more than several hours total for the entire build - I would be enjoying my Macedo built Viper right now and posting what a good job he did.
But...Larry did not...and now I am posting what a great job Underground Racing does because doing a mearly good job is not good enough for Underground Racing - only an excellent job will do.
How much time do the Macedos spend preparing for litigation - hours, days, weeks, months - that they could put into building cars right the first time?
I would consider M2 giving me my money back what I paid them for everything - the $28,000, and eat the $2,500+ damages my car had to the interior and other parts while at Macedo Motorsports plus the $750 transportation charge to have my car sent to Underground Racing because Macedo delivered an undrivable car to me - and drop any pending litigation against them so they could spend the time needed to actually do good work on their customer's cars.
If Simms/Macedo or DoubleTrouble/Wendy reads this and agrees that paying me back my $28,000 is cheaper than litigation and a judgement and wants to end this they are free to do so. I want to see this over with once and for all, but if you do not repond wisely, I will read this thread - http://www.viperalley.com/forum/viper-discussions-gen-i/57016-record.html - again and see what you tried to do to my friend Kevin of Underground Racing and won't extend this offer.
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dale3fan3
07-27-2007, 02:50 PM
Wow Kenny I cant believe that they would stoop to that level !!! That sure makes Larrys business look bad. I agree with flyeaglesfly though. Im sure you would stop posting the stuff everywhere if they would refund you the money they stole from you. I say stole because you got a car back that was undrivable but you paid them in full on time.
SUN RA KAT
07-27-2007, 03:59 PM
I don't want a lawsuit - I just want my $28,000 I paid to Larry Macedo. I won't accept less - I have a loan to pay back plus what Underground Racing charged me in another loan and the charges for transporting my car to Underground, fixing the Roe supercharger that was overspun and cooked the bearings, and the interior of my car that had major damage while at Macedo's. There is no point in both of us spending a bunch of money and time on lawyers. There is a lot more evidence of unbelievable bad workmanship of Larry and/or whoever did the work on my car while at Macedo's that has not been posted yet.
I just want my $28,000 returned to me so I can forget I ever heard of Larry Macedo and never mention his name again.
I'd like to think he and Wendy would like to get this over, too. I hope they have a good lawyer that will tell them how to save their money and their time and get this over with once and for all.
hemi_dakota94
07-27-2007, 05:56 PM
I don't want a lawsuit - I just want my $28,000 I paid to Larry Macedo. I won't accept less -
Kenny if it were me, $28,000 + the interest charges on the loan you took out to pay the crooks and not a dime less. ;)
SUN RA KAT
07-27-2007, 06:21 PM
Kenny if it were me, $28,000 + the interest charges on the loan you took out to pay the crooks and not a dime less. ;)
I thought about that, too.
I would like this to be over and everyone get on with their lives - that's why the $28,000 figure is non-negotiable. Just get it over quickly.
However, this is a limited time offer and when it's over, it's over. It will be much more publicity for Macedo Motorsports, expensive lawyers, and a judgement that could ruin Macedo Motorsports and all employees connected to it that worked on my car. How long am I offering an out of court settlement with no big lawyer bills? I don't even know myself, but I doubt it will last more than a few weeks, if even that long.
I know the Macedos and/or their network of spies reads these posts here. Larry, Wendy, or their lawyer are welcome to contact me privately or in public.
Plumcrazy
07-28-2007, 08:12 AM
unfortunately i doubt you'll ever see any of it nevertheless 28K....i hope im wrong though.
it sucks for you kenny, i feel for ya. but right now, dont think about the money spent and enjoy that beast !
dale3fan3
07-28-2007, 08:25 AM
unfortunately i doubt you'll ever see any of it nevertheless 28K....i hope im wrong though.
it sucks for you kenny, i feel for ya. but right now, dont think about the money spent and enjoy that beast ! Problem with just letting it go Plum is Kenny was burned and ripped off bad. He don't have the kinda cash to say screw it. If they don't offer him a refund then I hope he goes after them hard. He has all the documented proof with photos and professional backup that what he got woulda prolly blown his motor up. Not when but how soon. Kenny has the documentation from Larry that says all these nice dyno Numbers but when 3 independant ones were done when the poor build was returned to Kenny they all showed a whole lot less then what was stated it had. (Fraud) Which btw was was less then what Kenny was told before the build even started.(fraud again) Kenny has a HUGE case against Larry with all the findings that UGR had documented for him. If larry was a smart business man he would just chalk this one up to a live and learn and give Kenny his cash back. Kenny never held a check on him the whole build even with how long it took. BUT Larry held his car for way longer then it needed to be and didnt give him what Kenny paid for. Larry will have to pony up one way or another. It is in his hands to be a man and say he couldnt deliver this time. I say doing this settlement would be a lot wiser then a court case that will go on file for anyone to see in the future.
Plumcrazy
07-28-2007, 11:17 AM
you're assuming macedo is still gonna be in business and or have assets. Im all for him going for it, but it isnt that easy.
i have a few judgements out on people that im never gonna see anything from....IT SUCKS !!
just because kenny is right (and he is) doesn't mean he's getting anything. but again, i hope he does and im wrong. ive seen too many deals like this go bad and the customer walk away with a lot of nothing but MORE bills from a lawyer.....:(
lets hope macedo's lawyer tells him to do the right thing and/or in court.
dale3fan3
07-28-2007, 01:07 PM
you're assuming macedo is still gonna be in business and or have assets. Im all for him going for it, but it isnt that easy.
i have a few judgements out on people that im never gonna see anything from....IT SUCKS !!
just because kenny is right (and he is) doesn't mean he's getting anything. but again, i hope he does and im wrong. ive seen too many deals like this go bad and the customer walk away with a lot of nothing but MORE bills from a lawyer.....:(
lets hope macedo's lawyer tells him to do the right thing and/or in court. What are you saying? Has he screwed that many people that he is going under?
I remember reading people slamming him that he would never be happy. I see the tides have really turned after seeing his build pictures documented and the lies he was told..
One way or another Kenny will get his money back even if he has to sue. What will happen is any kind of money Macedo makes will be docked and go to Kenny. A good lawyer will just tell Larry pay up and forget about Kenny. There is no case in Larrys defense on this one. The car was gone for a year and a 1/2. The car was given back in a non drivable state and then IMO sabotaged with a bad tune that it wouldnt go over 40 mph and backfired. The car then was returned to M2 and sat there with no work being done till they were told by Kennys lawyer that the car must be returned. Then the rush was on because they dont give a crap there. They returned a viper again that didn't Run properly with false documented dynos. From the photos I have seen I still stand by NONE of the work M2 did was good. The roll bar wasnt even done right.
Plumcrazy just so you know I am not bashing you in any way;) I actuallty hope that Larry still is a man enough to fess up to this .
Plumcrazy
07-28-2007, 02:13 PM
i so didnt take it that way....no worries.
yes i DID bash SRK a while back. but mostly for how it was handled. Im sure he felt that he had to and thats fine. I personally would have dealt with it differently. i was obviously wrong for saying the things i did back then and have apologized to him in PM's.
trust me, i hope he gets it back in full and then some but im doubtfull and not very trusting of the legal system in cases like these. BUT his lawyer will most likely tell him to pay up and i hope he has the cash to do so....but im not holding my breath.
and going to court is always BAD. nothing is a definite in court. only the lawyers win in the end.
nickd907
07-28-2007, 02:24 PM
That was some pretty low shit to bring up somebody's past just to make them look bad.
BTW Kenny, I hope this guy Larry, mans up to his mistakes and does what is right.
CTDreamin
07-28-2007, 03:21 PM
Kenny, I am glad that you got your car bac FINALLY. I have met all of the guys at UGR when I lived about 3 miles from the shop. UGR is a first class operation and take nothing but pride in the work they do.
I am not surprised about the detail that they gave the car at all.
Congrats on getting the car back with 1000+ RWHP.
I really hope you get all of you $$$$$ back from Larry. Good luck and keep us posted.
SUN RA KAT
07-28-2007, 04:49 PM
...and going to court is always BAD. nothing is a definite in court. only the lawyers win in the end.Which is why I am offering Larry a deal to avoid litigation and all the cost associated with it for a short time.
I would hope he chooses wisely soon for he knows by now I will not let him just take my money for the bad job he did on my car and do nothing about it.
It's a matter of principal with me at this point and I have 14 and half years still left of paying back the loan I took out to pay him to remind me each payment day that he owes me the money he took from me. And one and a half years of being without my Viper to remind me, too. Underground Racing took 5 months do completely rebuild my car and build and tune it right the first time. I had some medical problems and told Underground Racing not to hurry or I would have had it back running right after only 3 months. The loss of use of my Viper for as much time as Macedo had it does not sit well with me. Nor would it to a jury or a judge. Neither would the quality of the build of my car at Macedo's. Nor would Larry's promises of power and the three independent dyno tests showing he didn't have the car tuned anywhere near right and also being only about 40 more horsepower than when it arrived in his shop a year and a half previous.
He can choose to end this now if he wants.
Or he can choose to have it go on until I get all my money back plus penalties and other charges no matter how long it takes waiting for the court date and until the entire judgement is paid to me after the court date.
I'm not rich, but I certainly can afford to go to court more than Larry & Wendy Macedo.
BTW - Court Records are public documents and I would be posting them.
dale3fan3
07-28-2007, 04:52 PM
Which is why I am offering Larry a deal to avoid litigation and all the cost associated with it for a short time.
I would hope he chooses wisely soon for he knows by now I will not let him just take my money for the bad job he did on my car and do nothing about it.
It's a matter of principal with me at this point and I have 14 and half years of paying back the loan I took out to pay him to remind me each payment day that he owes me the money he took from me.
He can choose to end this now if he wants.
Or he can choose to have it go on until I get all my money back plus penalties and other charges no matter how long it takes.:rck: :rck: :rck: :rck: :rck: :rck: :rck: You go Kenny!!!! Dont let the suposib big dog push you around time to push back.
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 10:18 AM
This past weekend was the Viper Nationals at Columbus, Ohio, but my wife got a flu like illness a half hour before we were leaving on Friday and we didn't go. She got better by Saturday, but I only had one day at the track previous with my Underground Racing built Viper and didn't feel like spending a bunch of money to run a car I am so unfamiliar with.
Bobby (fastdart), my Viper Tech who calls Wendy Macedo instead of me and then she posted he won't be helping me (http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155270&page=2&pp=20 Post #30 on), was at the track the one day I ran and told me he looked again at the photos I had posted and said Macedo did a horrible job on my car and he would like to put my new tires on for me. I took him up on his offer, but he was too busy the first time I went to him and he said he would call me when he had time to put my tires on. He did not call for several days, so I called him and left a message. He did not call me back at all and I had my tires put on elsewhere. Almost a month later he still has not called me - he doesn't know I had my tires put on elsewhere.
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 11:40 AM
Macedo Magic found on my Viper - click on photos to see the details described -
1st photo shows side sill where the passenger side exhaust pipe runs being taken off. The bottom (5th photo) photo shows what should have been found. You will notice the Roe insulation does not cover the exhaust as it is supposed to.
2nd photo shows the pipe clamp before the catalytic converter (right side of photo) and the pipe clamp after the catalytic converter (left side of photo). You will also notice the exhaust pipe does not even go into the catalytic converter. The pipe clamp on the left side is at a different angle than the pipe clamp on the right side because it was not ever tightened down by Macedo motorsports when they reinstalled my catalytic converters. The pipe clamp on the left side where the exhaust leak is was so loose that it could be easily spun around the exhaust pipe with a flick of my finger.
3rd photo is a close up of Macedo Magic.
4th photo shows Macedo Magic from a different angle. All you see should be completely covered in a blanket of Roe insulation and no bare pipes should be visible.
5th photo shows the Roe insulation correctly installed before Larry Macedo worked on my car.
The left side of my car under the side sill looked just as bad except the pipes clamps had been tightened at Macedo Motorsports.
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 12:02 PM
The side sills also have insulation on them - a metal shield facing the exhaust pipe with insulation behind that to protect the side sill. Each side sill has the shield and insulation and each side costs around $700 to replace.
Photos 1 & 2 shows details of the damage to the metal shield.
Photo 3 shows both side sills together. Notice the burns on the shield and missing pieces of the shield.
Click on photos to see details.
sca
08-13-2007, 12:09 PM
Nice Shoes! Good help is hard to find! Hope you get that sorted out at some point!
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 12:10 PM
On the passenger side you have seen what happens when the pipe clamp is not tightened - the pipes are no longer connected and the hot exhaust goes directly into the side sill.
Photo #1 shows one of three blobs of melted aluminum found laying in the side sill. It is up and to the left of where the insulation curves up on the right side of the photo. Part of another melted metal blob is also seen on the same lip of the side sill on the extreme right side of the photo.
Photo #2 shows the three blobs of melted aluminum layed out along a ruler.
It was determined that the aluminum was used as a spacer in the pipe clamps.
Click on photos to make big enough to easily see details described.
sca
08-13-2007, 12:17 PM
What a schmack! Ever figured what that hose clamp is meant to do?
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 12:21 PM
What a schmack! Ever figured what that hose clamp is meant to do?
It holds the Roe insulation to the exhaust pipe.
mopar fan
08-13-2007, 12:25 PM
Good grief Kenny, did that moron do anything right?:crazy:
nickd907
08-13-2007, 02:20 PM
damn Kenny seems like the further you dig the more crap you find.
Plumcrazy
08-13-2007, 09:16 PM
good god, thats freakin horrible work kenny.
i hate to admit it but the inside of my sills dont look any better and i had tator install the roe insulation. its a bad design and the roe insulation isnt great either. in fact i dont like it all and took it off mine.
how much more screwed up stuff is there for you to post ? im guessing a lot......
SUN RA KAT
08-13-2007, 10:12 PM
good god, thats freakin horrible work kenny.
how much more screwed up stuff is there for you to post ? im guessing a lot......
There's lots more...lots and lots more. :VHOT:
fastdart
08-14-2007, 06:22 AM
why do you keep posting stuff like this about me? i never said anything about his work.if you have a problem with me,stop up at work we hash it out.stop hiding behind this computer
SUN RA KAT
08-14-2007, 10:27 AM
why do you keep posting stuff like this about me? i never said anything about his work.if you have a problem with me,stop up at work we hash it out.stop hiding behind this computerI'm not hiding behind a computer. You did make that comment about Larry's work. Was it just to gain my confidence so you could find out more about what was found on my car so you could call Wendy Macedo again? I was home waiting for you to call for 2 weeks and then I gave up on you since you never called me back and had my tires put on elsewhere.
You can call Wendy Macedo and tell her the time is up and my offer to settle this without expensive lawyers is over. When this is over not even John Hennessey will hire Larry Macedo back for fear of ruining his business if anyone finds out Larry Macedo might do the work on their car.
June 21st, 2007, 10:45 AM #1519 (http://www.viperalley.com/forum/868243-post1519.html) DoubleTrouble (http://www.viperalley.com/forum/members/doubletrouble.html)
Enthusiast
Bobby will NOT be calling UGR to help them with the problems they are having with your car. Thanks for leaving the message on his voicemail!
RB24
08-14-2007, 11:25 AM
wow this is some crazy BS!! :mad:
SUN RA KAT
08-14-2007, 03:27 PM
8-10-06
Re: Get more boost from your Roe Blower!
08/10/06 12:48 PM
Kenny,
I agree, Joe should fix your problem using the VEC2.
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Larry Macedo
Macedo Motorsports
407.246.6511 Office
407.970.3463 Cell
www.macedomotorsports.com (http://www.macedomotorsports.com/)
8-20-06
Superdavz and I tried out the new VEC2 programs Larry had emailed to Dave on the 18th of Aug.(Friday) today around noon. All the new programs made my Viper run much, much worse than before. But at least now Sir Larry knows to reprogram the cards going the other way and we hope to have new programs on them to try Monday evening. Meanwhile, my Viper runs so bad with extreme surging and so little power that it could beat my girlfriend's Honda Element and that's about all.
8-22-06
Superdavz notifies me that he was told both he and my Viper Tech, Bobby (fastdart) are not allowed to offer me help or give me any help in fixing my Viper by Macedo.
8-23-06
In a message dated 8/23/2006 10:52:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, SUN RA KAT writes:
Larry,
It's very important that you overnight the Roe VEC2 cards to me so I have a car capable of driving to Youngstown this Friday to have Joe Donovan see what may be wrong with my car.
I've tried to stop the postings on that thread now that you are actively trying to get my car fixed. I was never exaggerating about the dangerous undrivability it had with violent surging and did not feel you were giving it the attention that it needed.
When you posted "take it to Joe" I thought you had given up trying to get my car right. He thinks that unless the cam is too aggressive that the VEC2 can be used but the AEM would be better. The AEM was never mentioned in your estimates and I never borrowed money to include it.
You had previously told me my bad tune was the result of the altitude difference between Florida and Ohio, which was why it made no sense to take my car back down to Florida, so I didn't send it with Bill White.
I thought when I had sent you the copy of my license plate, registration, insurance papers, and letter giving you permission to drive my car that you would have driven it the 500 mile break in. I had heard nothing back from you on that subject to indicate otherwise.
Let's try and work together and get this straightened out.
- Kenny
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August 23, 2006
Dear Kenny,
We will not be sending you new VEC2 cards as you have requested because your choice to work with another tuner under the current circumstances will negate any and all obligations, legal, or otherwise to your car that M2 Macedo Motorsports, LLC has.
Thank you in advance,
Wendy Macedo
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Wendy Macedo,
The cards that you refuse to return to me are not yours - they came with the Roe Supercharger.
How do you expect me to get my car to you if I can't even drive it?
- Kenny
8-25-06
Larry is still working with the VEC2 tuning cards and won't be sending them out until Monday.
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8-25-06
We don't have a warranty. Larry is working this weekend and should have your cards ready to go by Monday. I will follow up with the tracking # upon shipment.
Have a great weekend!
Wendy Macedo
8-29-06
Friday, August 18th I recieved an extremely bad tune from Larry Macedo's VEC2 tuning which has made my car undrivable - extreme surging and bucking, constant backfiring, and literally takes half throttle to go 40 MPH. Larry promised to send new cards to me yesterday, but he has not answered my email to him yesterday where I asked him if he did send the cards so I would be able to drive again.
9-1-06
Larry said on Thursday, August 24th he was going to be sending me updated VEC2 cards so I could at least drive my Viper again, then he told me he would finish working on them and send them to me on Monday, August 28th. It is now Friday, September 1st and no VEC2 cards from Larry have arrived. My Viper is still totally undrivable and I am still much less than happy.
2-1-07
My Viper and the long promised VEC2 cards are returned. Bobby (fastdart) is now allowed to work on my car again by Macedo. My car runs horrible and the VEC2 cards are totally useless since I now have a different engine management system.
8-14-07
So are you still under orders not to work on my car by the Macedo's, Bobby? If you are, then at least you could have told me so I wouldn't have waited in vain for you to put on my tires.
fastdart
08-14-2007, 05:29 PM
did you not get enough attention in your childhood or something?why do you keep bringing me back into this crap?i'm sorry about the tires,i should have called but other stuff came up.i do not call wendy everytime something happens.why would I?I'm not under anyones orders period.I don't need or want to gain your confidence. I didn't even look under the hood at the track. why, because it doesn't matter to me.and sorry you are wrong about what I said,I don't talk about other peoples work.
Plumcrazy
08-14-2007, 06:10 PM
damn, this keeps getting uglier and uglier....
SUN RA KAT
08-15-2007, 06:39 AM
Uses of Duct Tape -
Plumcrazy
08-15-2007, 10:23 AM
sure should be from what you've showed us
nickd907
08-15-2007, 01:31 PM
damn this shit gets deeper and deeper by the day.
dale3fan3
08-15-2007, 02:18 PM
:D :D :D
sca
08-15-2007, 02:30 PM
Wonder if this thread ever will catch up with you in case you have to take your buddy to court?
sherdep
08-15-2007, 07:32 PM
Wonder if this thread ever will catch up with you in case you have to take your buddy to court?as long as Kenny isnt posting false stuff then he has nothing to worry about ... pictures can tell a million words.
Custom Builder
08-15-2007, 10:57 PM
Kenny got screwed! I'm glad Underground got him fixed up. Kenny maybe you should be taking INFANT steps instead of BABY steps :) Those pictures of your spin out are insane.
SUN RA KAT
08-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Kenny got screwed! I'm glad Underground got him fixed up. Kenny maybe you should be taking INFANT steps instead of BABY steps :) Those pictures of your spin out are insane. Which is why I really needed better rear tires on my car ASAP. I was going to take my car to an installer of tires, but my Viper Tech said he would do it and I decided to take him up on the offer since I know he has done good work on my car before Macedo.
However,
did you not get enough attention in your childhood or something?why do you keep bringing me back into this crap?i'm sorry about the tires,i should have called but other stuff came up.i do not call wendy everytime something happens.why would I?I'm not under anyones orders period.I don't need or want to gain your confidence. I didn't even look under the hood at the track. why, because it doesn't matter to me.and sorry you are wrong about what I said,I don't talk about other peoples work. when he doesn't call me back and I see him at the other Viper sites and this site and I see he hasn't publically refuted Wendy Macedo's orders posted in public at a Viper site that he is not going to help me...and he isn't helping me...and didn't even called me back...yet he responds very rapidly here to being mentioned...
...and I was told in July 2006 that he would be hired by Macedo for the future Macedo Motorsports shop in the Dayton, Ohio area...well, a prudent person knowing the facts - including how he steered me into going with Macedo after convincing me I needed to have my stock cast pistons inspected because of the supercharger and he also was under orders not to help me in any way with my Viper by Macedo back on August 22, 2006 - as my lawyer says "It looks like we will have to add another name to the defendent list."
fastdart
08-16-2007, 04:58 PM
you are simply amazing when you post this crap.A macedo shop in dayton was never mentioned once, where do you get this crap from?why do I need to need to verify any facts with you since you keep making up stuff as you go?as far as working on your car ,never again.why don't you meet me somewhere and we can settle this instead of hidding behind your key board ? tell your lawyer not to bother i'm sure i'm on the list anyway.
CTDreamin
08-16-2007, 05:08 PM
you are simply amazing when you post this crap.A macedo shop in dayton was never mentioned once, where do you get this crap from?why do I need to need to verify any facts with you since you keep making up stuff as you go?as far as working on your car ,never again.why don't you meet me somewhere and we can settle this instead of hidding behind your key board ? tell your lawyer not to bother i'm sure i'm on the list anyway.
What is your problem? Kenny has had nuthing but bad luck from Macedo, I was gald when I found out that his car went to UGR. I know that he also is happy to finally have his car back.
And I want to know why you keep calling Kenny out looking for a fight? WTF is that about?
fastdart
08-16-2007, 05:44 PM
kenny keeps brining me into this.looking for a fight, please. that isn't what this is about. you don't know me . all I want is for him to stop bringing me into this. that's it.
CTDreamin
08-16-2007, 07:50 PM
kenny keeps brining me into this.looking for a fight, please. that isn't what this is about. you don't know me . all I want is for him to stop bringing me into this. that's it.
WTF, Kenny is not looking for a fight, he is just looking for someone that is associated with Macedo to to admit that he was mistreated.
I will tell you this if it was my 30G I would be looking to kick your ass the first chance I got. Just admit that you and Macedo screwed Kenny over and I will be happy.
So kiss my arse.
Custom Builder
08-16-2007, 07:54 PM
kenny keeps brining me into this.looking for a fight, please. that isn't what this is about. you don't know me . all I want is for him to stop bringing me into this. that's it.
You got in to this working with and defending a crook who was screwing a customer. Tell me after all the shit that came out about Macedo the horrible stuff he did on Kenny's car that has by the way been documented and the crap they tried to pull on Underground do you still feel Macedo deserves to be in the Viper community??
CTDreamin
08-16-2007, 07:58 PM
You got in to this working with and defending a crook who was screwing a customer. Tell me after all the shit that came out about Macedo the horrible stuff he did on Kenny's car that has by the way been documented and the crap they tried to pull on Underground do you still feel Macedo deserves to be in the Viper community??
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Dude I dont know you, but you live in NC and seem to like UGR, so you are fine with me. I have met the UGR guys, and they seem to be the best in the Viper industry. And not to mention that you are on the side of Kenny!!! :rck:
