Carburators have finally driven me mad!:VHOT: Swapped out the intakes last night, put my 2bbl intake back on. 4bbl was just too much for this engine, and was having problems w/ flooding every time I opened it up and sometimes when I hit the brakes.
So, I get it all swapped, put my old 2bbl back on, crank it up. It floods. Swap in another carb, it floods too. :banghead: I spent like 3 hrs last night, trying to make a 2bbl that worked, couldn't do it. I might try to mess w/ it a bit more, but EFI is coming ASAP.
Mopower79
03-30-2007, 09:01 AM
Has this happened since the Ramcharger tank swap???
are you running the same fuel pump as before???
Speed Dragon
03-30-2007, 04:23 PM
Brand new pump, about 3 months old, maybe less. Yeah, since the swap, but doesn't have anything to do w/ it I don't think. I finally got a 2bbl that works on it today, but it's still not quite right. I think I'm gonna go through all my BBD's tonight and make one good one, and chunk the rest. Probably put my Eddy 4bbl back together as well, and maybe pop the top on my 360 2bbl, make sure it's clean inside too. Plus, I got a '73 Ford 2000 tractor carb I gotta build for a guy too :crazy:
farmguy
03-30-2007, 08:05 PM
My two dodge pickups have carbs, as my 68 galaxie. My two crown vics are EFI. Everytime I take a long trip in the crown vics, I always have it in the back of my mind, ~what if the fuel pump goes sour in the tank. ~What if the computer goes haywire?~~ I just feel safer with a carb, and old technology, If I could have it my way, Id run nothing but carbs....Just stick with it, you`ll get them carbs running ok. CHeck the float, needle & seat, two problem areas that will make it flood. Plus, either the technology that the govt has, or a nuclear event, will render the EFI useless. They now have devices that can fly over you, and shut you down. The ON STAR system can do the same.....But, a carbed engine will just keep on running and running.
bherder
03-30-2007, 08:13 PM
Speed, you seem to have a lot of probs with 'flooding' no matter what carb you got on there.... (At least from what you say...)
Are YOU SURE it's the prob of the carb(s) themselves? I mean, I could see ONE being bad, but 1-2-3?
(This is another reason why I love electric fuel pumps.... The float bowl is full... the pump stops...)
Hmmmm.... Maybe too much volume and/or pressure from the 'stock' mechanical pump? Maybe an 'in-line' pressure regulator might help? (Sure as sh*t can't HURT..)
I'm puzzled, Bud.... It sounds to me like something OTHER than the carb....
Speed Dragon
03-30-2007, 08:14 PM
Oh I still got a couple points distributors and some good carbs ;)
bherder, I've been having the same thought, maybe too much pressure? Never heard of it before on a mechanical fuel pump, but I suppose it's possible. But why is it not doing it to the carb on there now? With the AFB, it was only when I either went WOT, or when I got on the brakes real quick/hard.
I think the main problem is I'm trying to use old, used crap that's been sitting for years. Carbs don't really like being stored. I'm too cheap, damn it :)
bherder
03-30-2007, 08:42 PM
My two dodge pickups have carbs, as my 68 galaxie. My two crown vics are EFI. Everytime I take a long trip in the crown vics, I always have it in the back of my mind, ~what if the fuel pump goes sour in the tank. ~What if the computer goes haywire?~~ I just feel safer with a carb, and old technology, If I could have it my way, Id run nothing but carbs....Just stick with it, you`ll get them carbs running ok. CHeck the float, needle & seat, two problem areas that will make it flood. Plus, either the technology that the govt has, or a nuclear event, will render the EFI useless. They now have devices that can fly over you, and shut you down. The ON STAR system can do the same.....But, a carbed engine will just keep on running and running.
Heh heh heh... Hey Farmguy.....
You and I are/have been along the same line for quite a while now.... (Even if we didn't know it)
I've done a lot of research along these lines...
And you ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT about 'carbed' engines... But you should also have (As a spare) a 'points' ignition dist. (I do)...
The electro-magnetic force 'shockwave' will render even primitive ignition systems (Like what we have in our 70's rigs) completely useless....
A 'points' type ignition and a carburetor.... You're 'good to go', no matter what....
(BTW.... I don't trust the Fed's or any of their lies, as far as I could sh*t them out my azz... I guess that's why I almost live in Idaho... :D )
DiverDwnPowrRam
03-30-2007, 11:20 PM
I agree about the new pump making excess pressure. I was having the same problem on my avenger after a new fuel pump so i put on a regulator and it is perfect now. Man I did not know about the new cars vulnerbility to the Gov't. Creepy!
...I can't make one good carb? Built one tonight, now it will crank up w/ about 3 pumps, but runs out of gas right away. Pump it again, cranks right up, runs out again immediately. Can't even pump it and keep it running. Maybe the intake is junk or something. It would crank w/o even having to pump it w/ the 4bbl intake.
I have more weird problems... :(
bherder
03-31-2007, 12:56 AM
Oh I still got a couple points distributors and some good carbs ;)
bherder, I've been having the same thought, maybe too much pressure? Never heard of it before on a mechanical fuel pump, but I suppose it's possible. But why is it not doing it to the carb on there now? With the AFB, it was only when I either went WOT, or when I got on the brakes real quick/hard.
I think the main problem is I'm trying to use old, used crap that's been sitting for years. Carbs don't really like being stored. I'm too cheap, damn it :)
Heh heh heh.... Well, your last sentence might be all you need to say ;)
I know what you mean though....$30.00 vs. $300.00?? I'll try and make $30.00 'work' until there just ain't making it 'work' anymore :D
(Then again, I've spent/wasted a lot more $$ on other stuff :D )
bherder
03-31-2007, 01:01 AM
Arrrrgh, you believe out of all this:
...I can't make one good carb? (
Workbench looks pretty 'tidy' compared to mine at times... :D :D :D
bherder
03-31-2007, 01:06 AM
I agree about the new pump making excess pressure. I was having the same problem on my avenger after a new fuel pump so i put on a regulator and it is perfect now. Man I did not know about the new cars vulnerbility to the Gov't. Creepy!
The 'gubbermint' is ALWAYS creepy. That's why Jefferson insisted upon the 2nd Amendment....
Speed Dragon
03-31-2007, 12:45 PM
Well I finally got it going again, apparently my old single plane 318 intake has a problem, what I don't know, but I swapped on my 360 dual plane and Holley 2bbl, and it runs great.
I think the 318 intake was warped or something, maybe wasn't pulling up tight enough and letting the gaskets leak. I didn't put any sealer around the ports like I usually do. I did this time though :D
B-300
03-31-2007, 03:16 PM
If a manifold swap fixed it there could be a few differences between them.
1. A cracked manifold (underside) will allow the exhaust crossover to become EGR thats on always... poor or no idle.
2. A carb tuned to work on a dual plane manifold won't work with a carb tuned for a single manifold and vise-versa.
3. 318 2bbl heads and 360 heads have different port sizes.
--B-300--
farmguy
03-31-2007, 08:27 PM
Heeeeeeeeeyy, Bherder....thanks for the tip on the points distributer. Think I just may look into getting one, and keeping it on the shelf just in case.....I still run a points dist. in my `68, still working great.
You saying your so close to Idaho, reminds me of the Randy Weaver caper the govt. pulled off. Just waiting till the current wave of thinking in the fed. govt. goes on, after we retreat from Irac, they will want our guns next., and the older cars and trucks, so we can all be `greenies`, like Al Gore wants us to.
farmguy
03-31-2007, 08:46 PM
Bherder.......just did a quick check on Summit, they offer a MALLORY dual pts dist, w/ vacuum advance, $259.95, #MAA-2757901. Id have to re-wire it, and get a couple ballast resisters, some spare points & condensers, Id be good to go!!!! Now, thinking serious about this....You have inspired me, thanks.
bherder
03-31-2007, 11:25 PM
Heeeeeeeeeyy, Bherder....thanks for the tip on the points distributer. Think I just may look into getting one, and keeping it on the shelf just in case.....I still run a points dist. in my `68, still working great.
You saying your so close to Idaho, reminds me of the Randy Weaver caper the govt. pulled off. Just waiting till the current wave of thinking in the fed. govt. goes on, after we retreat from Irac, they will want our guns next., and the older cars and trucks, so we can all be `greenies`, like Al Gore wants us to.
Yeah, Weaver.... We're still talking/burning about that one.. (Those kind of things last a long while when it's 'local'...)
The Fed's already (And have been for decades) wanting to disarm 'We The People'.... 'Private sales'... It's a beautiful thing, doncha' know ;)
Yeah, gore and his 'Global Warming' BS.... Tell that to me (Two month's of sub-zero temps) and all the people in New England and the Mid-west that had record low temps and record snow fall just this last winter... Hmmmm
bherder
03-31-2007, 11:43 PM
Bherder.......just did a quick check on Summit, they offer a MALLORY dual pts dist, w/ vacuum advance, $259.95, #MAA-2757901. Id have to re-wire it, and get a couple ballast resisters, some spare points & condensers, Id be good to go!!!! Now, thinking serious about this....You have inspired me, thanks.
Heck, you can get a 'stock' junkyard dist. for $20.00 or less... (The only things that ever go wrong with them are either bushings, gear drive, or vacuum advance... All of which are still available pretty much anywhere)...
Or you can buy a new stock 'rebuilt' for $50-60.00 ....
As long as the ol' girl runs if/when the poo-poo hits the fan, that's all that really matters, eh? Fuel? That's why God made corn and stills... :D :D :D
(BTW... Mortar tubes and 7.62x39mm may be priceless soon... ;) )
Speed Dragon
04-01-2007, 09:44 AM
Well shit, I think my engine's junk. This friggin' carb won't idle now either. I think the heads are junk, probably the valve seats, as I don't think they replaced them when I had them done. Heads are off a '67 truck, so I'm sure they didn't have hardened seats. This is like 5 carbs and 3 intakes, and none of them worked just right. Also there is some blowby now.
BTW B-300, not all 360s had big ports. Regular non-J trucks heads have the same small ports as the 318.
HeadlandRam
04-01-2007, 11:48 AM
Hey speed I think the inman pd sabatoged your truck.It looks like there doing everything to stop you.I really don't like fuel; injection either. One time my dads old ranger would not start no matter what but the next day it started right up. But a day later it would not start and the next dad still won't start.Apperently the damn wire that control's the fuel flow was frayed and disconected and he looked on the ford forums and they said "Replace the whole system". Now he has duct tape holding it all together.
Speed Dragon
04-01-2007, 01:12 PM
Hey speed I think the inman pd sabatoged your truck.It looks like there doing everything to stop you.They never take me alive haha:shoot: They just don't know how many engines I got :D
Speed Dragon
04-01-2007, 09:42 PM
I think I'm gonna try a set of heads first. I have several sets, and won't take but an afternoon maybe.
HeadlandRam
04-02-2007, 06:20 PM
tell us how it works out. if the wngine is jusk well you got 3 360's or try a 440 engine.
Speed Dragon
04-02-2007, 07:05 PM
tell us how it works out. if the wngine is jusk well you got 3 360's or try a 440 engine.Yeah but I gotta have a different flywheel for the 360. 75powerwagon has one, but I don't have the $for it right now, shipping a heavy azz flywheel is expensive :( I do have a killer 440, but then I'd have to change the trans and hunt down a bell and clutch linkage - which is expensive for a big block. Also, gas milige would reeeeeally suck then :) I think I may have one of the 360s sold too.
HeadlandRam
04-02-2007, 08:08 PM
Yeah but I gotta have a different flywheel for the 360. 75powerwagon has one, but I don't have the $for it right now, shipping a heavy azz flywheel is expensive :( I do have a killer 440, but then I'd have to change the trans and hunt down a bell and clutch linkage - which is expensive for a big block. Also, gas milige would reeeeeally suck then :) I think I may have one of the 360s sold too.
yeah makes ya wish gas was 27 per gallon huh and parts were esier to find.Hey I am just wondering again you still got that 73 right and uh wher is inman at?
Speed Dragon
04-02-2007, 10:50 PM
Hey I am just wondering again you still got that 73 right and uh wher is inman at?
Yeah I still got it, but I may have a deal pending on it. Inman is in South Carolina, near Spartanburg. I'm about 30 mins from North Carolina.
HeadlandRam
04-03-2007, 04:18 PM
Yeah I still got it, but I may have a deal pending on it. Inman is in South Carolina, near Spartanburg. I'm about 30 mins from North Carolina.
Okay. Damn that sounds like a hell of a drive. By the way anything new?
Speed Dragon
04-03-2007, 08:47 PM
Nope, ain't done nothing to the truck for a day or so. Taking a break from it :) Need to do it soon though.
HeadlandRam
04-03-2007, 09:00 PM
well thats good so you don't start throwing tools around.(Hey hijack point here) anybody here going to mopar at the battleship in april?
HeadlandRam
04-04-2007, 04:39 PM
well thats good so you don't start throwing tools around.(Hey hijack point here) anybody here going to mopar at the battleship in april?
And hey speed,What are the headers on your truck?
Speed Dragon
04-04-2007, 06:30 PM
And hey speed,What are the headers on your truck?I dunno. Hedman maybe? Maybe Dynomax. They're a PITA to take off and on, I know that.
HeadlandRam
04-04-2007, 09:10 PM
okay I was wondering.Hope you don't ever have to take it off again
Speed Dragon
04-04-2007, 11:56 PM
okay I was wondering.Hope you don't ever have to take it off againLol too late, I just took them loose again tonight:thatfunny Did a compression check, #3, #2, #6, and #8 cyl's all were low, but came up w/ a bit of oil in the cyl. So, looks like flooding out killed the rings or walls. I pulled one head off to check the valves, just for wishful thinking:crazy:All looked good, so I guess it's engine swap time.
HeadlandRam
04-05-2007, 03:51 PM
(Dramatic music here) Good luck on that swap I'll help ya......with moral support
bherder
04-05-2007, 08:34 PM
Oh, I'm sure Speed will have it done in no time ;)
Back in the day, when I was doing it for FUN all the time , with the help of a buddy, we could have an engine R&R'd in about 5 hours.
Of course it was a LOT easier back then ;) (No damn hoses running everywhere, or things plugged into 3 dozen other things etc etc... And there was a LOT of room under the hood...)
*SIGH* ..... Those days are gone....
(Unless we keep our old rigs alive!! :D :D :D )
HeadlandRam
04-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Oh, I'm sure Speed will have it done in no time ;)
Back in the day, when I was doing it for FUN all the time , with the help of a buddy, we could have an engine R&R'd in about 5 hours.
Of course it was a LOT easier back then ;) (No damn hoses running everywhere, or things plugged into 3 dozen other things etc etc... And there was a LOT of room under the hood...)
*SIGH* ..... Those days are gone....
(Unless we keep our old rigs alive!! :D :D :D )
whoa beheder is back. how are you buddy?
It could be alot easier if you take apart the full front clip that way you have more room but then again it could be tough trying to put all the fenders and stuff back on.
Speed Dragon
04-06-2007, 08:06 AM
Oh, I'm sure Speed will have it done in no time ;)
Back in the day, when I was doing it for FUN all the time , with the help of a buddy, we could have an engine R&R'd in about 5 hours.
Of course it was a LOT easier back then ;) (No damn hoses running everywhere, or things plugged into 3 dozen other things etc etc... And there was a LOT of room under the hood...)
*SIGH* ..... Those days are gone....
(Unless we keep our old rigs alive!! :D :D :D )Yeah, I've swapped engines in this truck like 5 times already, so I about got it down to a science :D Just gotta get the new engine up here.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b331/ForceFedMopar/Project%20Super%20D/DSCF2259.jpg
You can see the ring grooves at the top of the cylinders, I thought they wouldn't make any difference when I built it, but I guess they did lol. Oh well, between those and it flooding a lot, probably killed off the rings.
bherder
04-07-2007, 08:04 AM
Got the engine out
You can see the ring grooves at the top of the cylinders, I thought they wouldn't make any difference when I built it, but I guess they did lol. Oh well, between those and it flooding a lot, probably killed off the rings.
So what are you going to replace it with? A Datsun engine?
:D
Mopower79
04-07-2007, 08:42 AM
So what are you going to replace it with? A Datsun engine?
:D
Don't you dare Speed..
Remember..... They eat dogs... & we can't have that!!!(again) :thatfunny
Looks like the "hard" work is done... So what plans do you have with the engine???
Are you gonna put one of your 360s in there or are you gonna rebuild the 318??
also now is the PERFECT time to steam clean the engine bay & rattle can it ;)
Can't wait to see the finished result!!! Keep the pics coming!!! :rck:
bherder
04-07-2007, 09:31 AM
Hey, when I was at Spalding's (A junk yard in Spokane) this week, they had a 5.7 Hemi and trans with 20,000 miles on it sitting on the 'showroom' floor for sale... $3400...
:D :D :D
Just a thought... :D
HeadlandRam
04-07-2007, 09:49 AM
wow it looks bare in there. how bout you try those 397 or whatever new hemi crate engines they are coming out with
Speed Dragon
04-08-2007, 09:20 AM
So what are you going to replace it with? A Datsun engine?
:DI wouldn't do ya like that, mang:stk:
If I had $3400 to spend on it, that 5.7 wouldn't touch me :D And as for the crate engines, I can't see paying for something I can build myself for half the price:crazy:
I got a stock 318 out of my Dad's old van, ran good, gonna put that in for now. Till I can build my original engine up;)
B-300
04-09-2007, 02:03 PM
This is a B-300 reality-check. I now that not all 360's have large port heads... I mentioned this only because you were swappining manifolds of the 2bbl onto an engine that had a 4bbl intake and should of had large port heads to take advantage of the flow for power gain.
--B-300--
Speed Dragon
04-09-2007, 02:37 PM
This is a B-300 reality-check. I now that not all 360's have large port heads... I mentioned this only because you were swappining manifolds of the 2bbl onto an engine that had a 4bbl intake and should of had large port heads to take advantage of the flow for power gain.
--B-300--Ahh, I gotcha. However, the engine had small port '67 318 heads, and the 360 2bbl manifold had the small ports as well. I actually don't have any big port stuff.
B-300
04-09-2007, 03:27 PM
Small port heads were used on 273, 318 and 360 2bbl's, large port heads were used on later 318 4 bbl and all 340 and 360 4bbl engines as original equipment until the magnum engine.
So you put a 340 cam in your 318 with a 4bbl and didn't change to large port heads? .. Sometime ago you were looking for more power.
--B-300--
Speed Dragon
04-09-2007, 11:45 PM
Yeah, I was kinda experimenting, just to see what a cam change would do for a stock 318. Apparently not much :( Also small port heads will keep the velocity up better at low rpms, better for street trucks. I do have a set of 302 casting I'm gonna have done for my next build. BTW, I've turned a 360 w/ small ports, cam, headers and a 2bbl ( a BBD 2bbl at that) to 6200 rpms, pulled good all the way up to that.
needa440please
04-10-2007, 01:24 PM
I've seen a 318 w/small port heads, 4bbl -no cam upgrade- Just hammered on with virtually no oil - none on the dipstick anyways - To probly AT LEAST 6000 rpms
For extended periods, with the heat gauge buried....
My friends are crazy, but it can be done.
Makes me more confident in just simply wheeling around. :)
needa440please
04-10-2007, 01:25 PM
Oh and he just gave me his old 4bbl intake :)
bherder
04-10-2007, 10:18 PM
I've seen a 318 w/small port heads, 4bbl -no cam upgrade- Just hammered on with virtually no oil - none on the dipstick anyways - To probly AT LEAST 6000 rpms
For extended periods, with the heat gauge buried....
My friends are crazy, but it can be done.
I know that SB Mopars are pretty bullet-proof, but I wouldn't count one one lasting for too long under those conditions....
(What... your buddies can't afford a couple quarts of oil?? :D )
HeadlandRam
04-11-2007, 05:26 PM
You know you are poor when you cannot afford regual oil. Which looks likes alot of people right now. (BTW: bheder I am looking for a job and I think I might have found one either at the bodyshop in headland or at hardee's.I am leery about the one at hardee's, It got robbed. I am going to see if I could carry my dad's 45 when I am on my shift :) )
bherder
04-11-2007, 07:09 PM
You know you are poor when you cannot afford regual oil. Which looks likes alot of people right now. (BTW: bheder I am looking for a job and I think I might have found one either at the bodyshop in headland or at hardee's.I am leery about the one at hardee's, It got robbed. I am going to see if I could carry my dad's 45 when I am on my shift :) )
I wouldn't count on it there.... Unless your future boss says, 'Yeah just keep it down on this shelf here'.... Although I really doubt a manager at a burger joint is going to be cool with letting a kid keep a BIG handgun under the counter...
Maybe things are different way down there ;)
Even at that, you're still a minor, can't legally buy a handgun let alone get a concealed weapons permit.... It might be a chore getting it back an forth...
Just don't wanna see you get in SERIOUS trouble....
(BTW, there is one day a month I strap on the armpit holster and pack my .45 ACP... (I have a CWP) ... This is the day I shut off the water for those who haven't paid the bill. I really hate this day.... I had some guy come out swinging a golf club at me one time and another time someone set a Dobie after me.... I just maced that one ;) )
HeadlandRam
04-11-2007, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't count on it there.... Unless your future boss says, 'Yeah just keep it down on this shelf here'.... Although I really doubt a manager at a burger joint is going to be cool with letting a kid keep a BIG handgun under the counter...
Maybe things are different way down there ;)
Even at that, you're still a minor, can't legally buy a handgun let alone get a concealed weapons permit.... It might be a chore getting it back an forth...
Just don't wanna see you get in SERIOUS trouble....
Yeah I don't know about that but if I could I wish one of then would hold one in my face and go over and give him a new hole.
(BTW, there is one day a month I strap on the armpit holster and pack my .45 ACP... (I have a CWP) ... This is the day I shut off the water for those who haven't paid the bill. I really hate this day.... I had some guy come out swinging a golf club at me one time and another time someone set a Dobie after me.... I just maced that one ;) )[/QUOTE][
Dadgum,That is crazy. I don't get that because of there neglagance they blame you for just doing your job.Like for example I have a friend that works at the small iga store here and one day I saw him just stacking groceries and here comes two people complaining that the price raised up 2 CENTS and they blame him for the price increase.Then I say them get into there car and I notice there were from new york.
HeadlandRam
04-11-2007, 09:26 PM
by the way, speed how is everything?
Speed Dragon
04-12-2007, 07:07 AM
by the way, speed how is everything?Same here, nothing new. Still waiting on Dad to bring my new engine up :) He gonna bring up my new engine for the Lebaron project too though, while he's at it:cool:
B-300
04-12-2007, 11:26 AM
What happened to the original idea of EFI?
--B-300--
HeadlandRam
04-12-2007, 05:28 PM
Same here, nothing new. Still waiting on Dad to bring my new engine up :) He gonna bring up my new engine for the Lebaron project too though, while he's at it:cool:
cool man tell us when you ge the engines.
Speed Dragon
04-13-2007, 11:13 AM
What happened to the original idea of EFI?
--B-300--No time and no money at the moment, I need to get this thing running asap. I may go out and do some fooling around w/ the TBI harness though, I have all the wiring diagrams I need now.
Speed Dragon
04-14-2007, 12:14 AM
Got the new engine! WooHoo! Big bad '85 van engine lol:thatfunny
bherder
04-14-2007, 07:51 AM
Yeeeeah, buddy!
How's that old Areosmith song go?
"I'm baaaaaaack in the saddle again!" :D
HeadlandRam
04-15-2007, 08:58 AM
Cool speed. tell us how it runs when you get everything hooked up
