Hi I currently drive a 98 Trans Am but I have always admired the Srt4 engine. I was wondering how hard it would be to swap out a srt4 engine in to a regular neon. Any help on this is greatly appreciated.
touringracer82
06-07-2006, 12:30 AM
First of all you must describe a "Regular Neon". The swap can be done into either the first gen neon (95-99) or the second gen (2000+). Assuming your doing it into a second gen, here's a list of stuff you'll need which I copied and pasted from another forum:
Engine and Tranny
Complete Engine Wiring Harness
Complete Engine Bay Wiring Harness
Power Steering Pump, lines, and cooler
Clutch master and slave cylinder
Clutch/Brake Pedal assembly
Intercooler Piping
Intercooler
Radiator Hoses
Tranny, Upper and Lower Motor Mounts (the holes are larger on the the upper and lower mounts for larger bolts and the tranny mount is completely different)
SRT PCM (wont' need the bracket with 03+)
Axles (and half shaft if it isn't on the engine)
Coolant Bottle
Fuel Line from tank to engine bay
Fuel Pump
Flex Fuel line from solid fuel line to fuel rail
Short evap hose that comes from the purge valve
All vacuum lines and the 3 selonids
o2 Sensors
Turbo Housing + o2 Housing
Lower Control Arms (they're stronger yet the same in shape)
Sentry Key Module + Key that matches the PCM VIN number.
Radiator (aren't totally sure if this is an absolute need)
If you plan on using the front brake setup you'll need the following
I've read mixed reviews about the level of difficulty of the swap, but from what I can gather for the most part the swap isn't that bad.
slow98transam
06-07-2006, 10:39 PM
Thanks thats a lot of stuff maybe I should try and think it over with labor and parts it might be cheaper just to buy an 03 srt4
Blurr3dVision
06-08-2006, 06:45 AM
these cars don't hold resale very well, you can get used ones for pretty cheaply. You would be much better off getting a used one. Try to go '04 or '05 though as it has a LSD, which is going to help out with traction greatly.
touringracer82
06-08-2006, 04:45 PM
Yea all things considered it would be much more worth your while just to get an srt-4. Another good reason to get the 04+ is because they have the newer ecu, and therfor have a little more power.
dodgeneonACR98
06-09-2006, 03:53 AM
Your best bet would be to buy an SRT! IMO
If you are just looking to build a nice quick car for less money than the 04+ SRT you could build a Heck of a nice 1st gen up that might give a stock SRT a run for the money. The cars are selling cheap around here for less than 2 grand at the lots. The way I see it you could buy it for 1200 a turbo for 3500 and what ever else you might want and still not have 10 grand in it! Just my opinion tho!
rice_eater
06-09-2006, 03:59 PM
Buy you still have an old, cheap car... Just my opinion here, but get an SRT-4, not a 1st Gen. Sure they can be quick, but there is something to be said for a newer vehicle that doesnt rattle and creek and squeak every time you hit a bump, even if it costs more money. Listen to me... I'm gonna have to go sit in the corner now and punish myself for talking about my baby like that...
dodgeneonACR98
06-09-2006, 04:47 PM
Buy you still have an old, cheap car... Just my opinion here, but get an SRT-4, not a 1st Gen. Sure they can be quick, but there is something to be said for a newer vehicle that doesnt rattle and creek and squeak every time you hit a bump, even if it costs more money. Listen to me... I'm gonna have to go sit in the corner now and punish myself for talking about my baby like that...
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05hemiregcab
06-25-2006, 05:13 PM
well the list above is pretty accurate!!
I have a 95 first gen with an 04 srt-4 engine swapped into it! However I did not do the swap! bought it like that!
first thing would be first... how are you gonna run this bad boy?? aka wirin harness! 2 ways to do this.. you def need the srt pcm... now you can either splice into the 1st gen body harness.. or you can SCRAP everything and rewire the whole car front to back! (way my car was done)..
Mountin the motor in the car is rather simple! go on neons.org.. look for a guy named toomanyneons.. he makes a 2.4 adapter/ mountin bracket that bolts right up!! It uses the same mount in the rear of the motor where the bobble strut goes! THe only problem mount is the lower front one! On my car.. the guy kindof twisted the whole thing!
as far as trans.. you can use the 1st gen 3.55 or 3.94s that came in the sohc and dohc neons! they bolt right up! The srt trans in the 1st gen WILL NOT fit, without major cuttin and modifications, however it would be nice to have! You can use the stock 1st gen axles also.. just be careful of wheel hop!
as far as intercooler pipin/ hoses.. thats all gonna have to be made custom! None of the srt stuff with work! at least it didnt on mine.. and my intercooler is turned upside down! If you have any other questions or wanna see pics just ask! I will be more than willin to show!
rice_eater
06-26-2006, 03:00 PM
as far as trans.. you can use the 1st gen 3.55 or 3.94s that came in the sohc and dohc neons! they bolt right up! The srt trans in the 1st gen WILL NOT fit, without major cuttin and modifications, however it would be nice to have! You can use the stock 1st gen axles also.. just be careful of wheel hop!
you'd want the 3.55:1 ratio trans for a turbo motor. Might be a good idea to have a spare in the garage, imput shafts are only rated at 140lb/ft for 95-99 trannies, 150lb/ft for 2000 and up, or something like that. Doesnt mean it'll break, plenty of guys run obnoxious loads of torque through the NVT-350, but there is a chance. a good LSD is a must as well, OBX if you cant afford Quaife (avoid the Phantom Slip).
Stock axles are NOT a good idea for the SRT swap, looks like you found out the hard way by lookin at your sig. better off going with the shadow/PT swap. one PT cruiser axle fits in one side and for the other side the V6/Turbo Shadow axle is a direct fit. Dont remember which side is which though.
05hemiregcab
06-26-2006, 05:39 PM
you'd want the 3.55:1 ratio trans for a turbo motor. Might be a good idea to have a spare in the garage, imput shafts are only rated at 140lb/ft for 95-99 trannies, 150lb/ft for 2000 and up, or something like that. Doesnt mean it'll break, plenty of guys run obnoxious loads of torque through the NVT-350, but there is a chance. a good LSD is a must as well, OBX if you cant afford Quaife (avoid the Phantom Slip).
Stock axles are NOT a good idea for the SRT swap, looks like you found out the hard way by lookin at your sig. better off going with the shadow/PT swap. one PT cruiser axle fits in one side and for the other side the V6/Turbo Shadow axle is a direct fit. Dont remember which side is which though.
Well I was told that the car had stage 3 axles on it?? and I never payed really any attention to the axles! The guy that I bought it from had a spare trans with the differential welded together! So for racin purposes I threw that in there for the time being and SNAP! Upon further inspection thats all I had was the stock axles! On an open differential trans they do fine.. but the trans couldnt handle the power!!
And now that you mentioned it.. If I remember right.. dont the pt trans fit into the 1st gen cars and bolt right up? But then the axles would be the problem! I am just gonna get another 1st gen trans, and the obx lsd and see how that works out for me? See if it can handle the power when I turn it up to 22psi! :rck: :gr_patrio ..
But over all I would not call it a hard swap at all! If you wanted to do it even easier swap a stratus 2.4 in the car, build the bottom end with the srt-4 internals, srt turbo setup.. and you have a low 13 high 12 sec car if tuned right! and the stratus motors swap right in.. and its nothin but movin/ extendin like 2-4 sensors!
rice_eater
06-27-2006, 10:11 AM
And now that you mentioned it.. If I remember right.. dont the pt trans fit into the 1st gen cars and bolt right up? But then the axles would be the problem! I am just gonna get another 1st gen trans, and the obx lsd and see how that works out for me?
It better bolt right up!!! LOL its the same transmission, NVT-350.
The OBX should be fine for what you are running, just dont molest it.
BTW... You dont plan to run 22psi on the stock turbo, do you?
http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97704 <-- ;)
05hemiregcab
06-27-2006, 05:27 PM
It better bolt right up!!! LOL its the same transmission, NVT-350.
The OBX should be fine for what you are running, just dont molest it.
BTW... You dont plan to run 22psi on the stock turbo, do you?
http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97704 <-- ;)
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