What kind of MPG are you getting?

[MiniCwik]

I'm a DT.com Ram owner thinking of adding a used Neon to my vehicles for the daily driving I do to work (80 miles roundtrip) and trading in my wife's old truck that I now use as a daily ('98 S10 std cab w/ 2.2L) that has 123k on it now.

I was wondering what the average MPG was that actual owners were getting in their Neon's? I have always liked the style and look of the Neon's, just never gone out and got one (yet).

What about auto vs. manual trans numbers?

DOHC vs SOHC?

Any clear signs I should look for of a problematic Neon? What are the common problems/issues they have, if any?

Thank you in advance, and :rck: ON!

[stickshiftsrule]

subscribing........I'm in a very simular situation.
Guy I know at work says he gets 28mpg (combined hw/city) with his and it's an auto (unsure of engine).

[rice_eater]

28mpg, mostly city, sounds right. 95-99 neons get better mileage than the 2000 and up neons, but both get really good mileage. ATX cars get worse mileage, having 2 less gears than the manual cars, as well as a much higher drivetrain loss. If you can drive stick, and can find one, it is to your advantage. DOHC to SOHC (95-99 speaking) is a minimal difference, smaller than ATX to MTX. add maybe 3-4mph to the SOHC over the DOHC. This is not because of engines though, rather because of different gearing in the manual transmissions. SOHC's got 3.55:1 ratio trannies, DOHC's got 3.94:1 ratio trannies, although many were swapped to 3.55:1 trannies when the originals exlpoded, because the 3.55 ratio trans is more abundant. Vague figures would be 27-33mpg city, 36-44mpg highway. SOHC MTX cars get the best mileage, then DOHC MTX, then SOHC ATX, and DOHC ATX get the worst mileage (and are the slowest, believe it or not). planting your foot will obviously lower these figures. Obviously a better maintained vehicle will also get better mileage.

As for problems to watch out for, i will post on that tomorrow if i have time. Its late, and i'm going to bed, LOL.

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio 24 to 26 MPG in city rush hour traffic. That's with K&N,open/loud exhaust, and automatic.
:drivingz:

[HoodooGuru]

23 mpg city for me and up to close to 38 - 40 mpg on a long highway trip.
Mines a 2001 neon thats pretty well modded.

[HoodooGuru]

I must admit though. My mpg rates could be alot better, just that my right foots way too heavy! But you will notice that if u mod a neon u hardly have to touch the accellerator to keep it zipping along.

[95moparracer]

lol i get like 20-23 mpg in the city and well not really sure what i get on the highway and i have a sohc 5speed with some mods.

[MiniCwik]

28mpg, mostly city, sounds right. 95-99 neons get better mileage than the 2000 and up neons, but both get really good mileage. ATX cars get worse mileage, having 2 less gears than the manual cars, as well as a much higher drivetrain loss. If you can drive stick, and can find one, it is to your advantage. DOHC to SOHC (95-99 speaking) is a minimal difference, smaller than ATX to MTX. add maybe 3-4mph to the SOHC over the DOHC. This is not because of engines though, rather because of different gearing in the manual transmissions. SOHC's got 3.55:1 ratio trannies, DOHC's got 3.94:1 ratio trannies, although many were swapped to 3.55:1 trannies when the originals exlpoded, because the 3.55 ratio trans is more abundant. Vague figures would be 27-33mpg city, 36-44mpg highway. SOHC MTX cars get the best mileage, then DOHC MTX, then SOHC ATX, and DOHC ATX get the worst mileage (and are the slowest, believe it or not). planting your foot will obviously lower these figures. Obviously a better maintained vehicle will also get better mileage.

As for problems to watch out for, i will post on that tomorrow if i have time. Its late, and i'm going to bed, LOL.


WOW, thanks for all of the responses and helpful feedback, I really appreciate it.

I'd rather get a manual trans, except for the rush hour traffic, but then again I like being able to select the appropriate gear to be in.

Question, when you say ATX and MTX, are these the engine packages or the packages on the cars? I usually see STX on them but haven't seen ATX or MTX. I hope to locate a good pre-owned one in the next couple weeks and finalize this by the 4th of July holiday. :gr_patrio

[stickshiftsrule]

I'm assuming ATX= automatic-trans-axle, and MTX= manual-trans-axle.
I'd rather have a manual as well (obviously) :D , but wifey has to have an auto.... :o

[MiniCwik]

Thanks, now I get it ;)

Yeah I know what you mean there, fortunately my wife does know how to drive a manual, but this is for me, along with my Ram, so hands-off to her :LOL:

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio Dodge Dealers still have new 2005 Neons. With the rebates they are giving them away. They come with the factory 3 yr/36K warranty.

If you can find a good used 2004, they have the old 7 yr/70K warranty.

Look at www.carmax.com. They always have "top price" for very good cars. It will give you a good price range of Neons.

Now, if you can find a newer Neon with the SRT Package (the SRT-4 grill, high spoiler, and dual exhauast), you can have your low maintence, good mileage, and LOOKS! :rck:
:drivingz:

[stickshiftsrule]

Thanks, now I get it ;)

Yeah I know what you mean there, fortunately my wife does know how to drive a manual, but this is for me, along with my Ram, so hands-off to her :LOL:

LOL! Actually the wife does know to drive a manual. (actaully, she prefers one)
But she's had two surgeries on her left foot and can't risk buying another stickshift.
We gave up a really nice 4x4 (stickshift) truck to put her in a small (automatic) SUV....... :mad:

[MiniCwik]

Thanks for all the info!!!

I hope to find one for around $4000 as I just want to pay cash for it for no additional monthly payments and not dent the wallet too bad. I of course really like the SRT-4's and 2004 and newer models but am not looking to spend that much.

I'll keep you updated on my progress, if that's alright and possibly ask your input on fair price for Neon's I find?

Thanks again!

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio Here's your car on e-bay. Stick shift, 33mpg Highway. See if you can get it for $4,000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-Dodge-Neon-R-T-Rare-Enkei-Alpine-JL-Audio_W0QQitemZ4640185921QQcategoryZ6204QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

It DID have a wreck title at one time. If you want the hassle of licensing it in Michigan - you might be able to steal this Neon. Good-luck!
:drivingz:

[MiniCwik]

:gr_patrio Here's your car on e-bay. Stick shift, 33mpg Highway. See if you can get it for $4,000.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2003-Dodge-Neon-R-T-Rare-Enkei-Alpine-JL-Audio_W0QQitemZ4640185921QQcategoryZ6204QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

Good-luck!
:drivingz:

THANKS!!!! I saw that while checking on eBay and that would be so nice too, but I doubt that $4000 would be his reserve price. I also wanted to trade in the S10 on something but perhaps I should sell it on my own, just hope to get around $1500 for it.

[n-gin]

I travel over 100 miles a day and I'm lovin 350 miles to the tank full. I believe its a 13 galoon tank. Thats 26 miles to the gallon. Specs. are 2005 neon SOHC 16 valve, SXT, 30 psi in the tires, no spoiler, 185 60 15 tire, goin 71mph.
I could be misstaken but I thought the sticker on the neons said they get 36 miles to the gallon???????? what gives I'm only calculating 26, and I'm on the highway coinstantly :huh:

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio Your 2005 has a 12.5 gallon tank. It is rated at 29/36 for manual trans, and 25/32 for automatic.

See EPA website: http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/findacar.htm

If you get 350 miles on a tank, you are getting great mileage. I doubt if you are out of gas when you refill. Therefore, you might take 11 gallons of gasoline (that leaves 1.5 gallons in the tank). Eleven gallons would give you 32MPG.
:drivingz:

[rice_eater]

My low fuel light comes on when i have used roughtly 9.5 gallons of gas. By the time i hit the pumps I am filling up with 9.5-10 gallons of gas. I dont think the fuel tank or pump (and therefore the low fuel light sensor) changed much from 1st Gen to 2nd Gen. refigure 350miles on 10 gallons of gas gives you 35mpg. Hows that suit you?

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio Very good, now I'm happy! :party0003:
:drivingz:

[rice_eater]

Any clear signs I should look for of a problematic Neon? What are the common problems/issues they have, if any?
Ok, If you still want to know i have some time now to list some of the things you should watch out for. Keep in mind these may only apply to the 95-99 (used) neons, as I dont know that much about the 2000 and up models.

Aside from the normal things you would check for on every vehicle, here are some points to focus on with neons:

-if it has a factory moonroof, see if it works. The sliders have a small plastic clip that attatches to the cable, and it likes to break. I believe sliders are $125 for the drivers side and $200 for the pass side. Also, the seal is part of the glass. The whole unit is over $250 new, so if there are any signs of leaks, paint bubbling, or the seal appears to be separated from the glass anywhere (corners especially) watch out for that. (I have a moonroof and have had both of the above mentioned problems....)

-Pull of the air intake tube (so you can look into the TB) and manually open the TB (with the engine OFF). 99.9% of the time you will see 1/16 - 1/8 inch of gunk (carbon and oil mix) coating the backside of the throttle plate and the inside of the intake manifold. This happens on all neons, due to the EGR system and a vacuum line that likes to pick up oil, but pointing it out to an under-educated seller may save you some cash. :D

-Transmissions, both the automatics and the manuals, frequently crap out with no warning what-so-ever. There is nothing you can do to tell if the one youre buying is about to take a dump, but its something to be aware of. Used trannies go for $200-$300, and if you can install it yourself you save boatloads on labor (5-6 hour job). The problem is a week differential pin. The problem can be delayed by not spinning the tires. The problem can be avoided by installing a LSD.

-Check the engine mounts. They are notorious for tearing (rubber mounts). This will cause rought idling, as well as vibration on acceleration, unnatural bogging on decel while in gear, difficulty shifting smoothly, and overall poorer handling. The front mount is usually the one to go first, and is the easiest to check. (look down low, between the oil pan and the radiator, you cant miss it) The side engine mount can be seen from the top of the engine (pass. side), but the trans mount cannot really be checked without pulling different parts off the car.

-Do a compression test, check the oil, and check the antifreeze. I'm sure you know 1st Gen neons are cursed with faulty head gaskets. If it has 70-100k miles and has not been already changed, expect to change it yourself sooner or later. (probably sooner) After 100k its pretty safe to say its already blown and been changed, but not always. Timing belt should also be checked, and ask the seller about the water pump and timing belt tensioner. Both the SOHC and DOHC are interference engines. If any of those 3 things fail, chances are the valves will be ruined, and you may ruin the pistons and head as well.

-Check the entire interior (and the trunk) over for water stains. The seals in the neons are not of the highest quality.

-Try the A/C, if the car you are considering has it. (I know, thats kind of obvious, but the systems are known to leak on neons.)

-And last but not least, listen for clunks when you hit potholes, take a corner fast, etc... The upper strut mounts are weak, and a metal sleeve likes to come loose and sing its clunky song. To my knowledge, it does not hurt handling at all, but the sound can get annoying.

Thats all i can think of. If anyone sees that i missed anything obvious, post up. Good luck finding a car.

[n-gin]

:party0003

[dodgeneon_chick]

this is 95moparracer it wont let me log sis n law out for some reason ; ;.well i threw in some fuel injector cleaner and octance booster when i filled tank today with 91octane and i'll see wat i get for mileage.

[n-gin]

Its a waste running high octane in a low compression engine. Your actually making the n-gin work harder.

[95moparracer]

lol a stock neon is like almost 10:1 aint it? not sure never really looked into it lmfao, btw most my friends that are driving eagle talons and eclipses are running 25psi and when at the track they run 118 octane lol so yea it most help cause imagine how low there compression is and on the track a lil bit higher octane does help a tad. plus i beleave u gotta use 93 octane with the mopar pcm, which i will be ordering shortly!

[HoodooGuru]

Well I run my neon on 95 octane as opposed to standard 92 here and believe me the car runs alot smoother and has some more pep. On 92 it miss' and stumbles occasionally. 95 its great.

[Mark.stolz]

I run the cheap gas, 87 octane I think, in a '98 and manage to get a reasonable 25 mpg highway for my 70 mile a day commute.

[n-gin]

You can have a 11.5 compression running on 87 octane.
Remember compression ratio of pistons matched too cylinder heads is different from cranking pressure due to cam timing.
Not to mension the higher the octane the slower the burn. Octane has no effect on how much energy is released because wheter you use 87 or95 oct. it still puts out the same energy. Now by increasing octane and not increasing crank compression you now have an engine that exhausts more energy and not transfering it to the crank. (your gas is still burning when the exhaust valve is opening, and this can burn a valve) I'm sure someone on here has taken a cylinder head off and noticed the exhaust valve in one chamber is lighter in color then the other cylinders.
This is true for all types of engines.

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio
The 2004 Neon SE & SXT have a compression ratio of 9.3, 132HP, and require 87 octane gasoline. The R/T ratio is 9.8, 150HP, and requires 91.

The Owners Manual for my Stratus R/T 3.0 states, 87 octane can be used, BUT for maximum performance 91 octane should be used.

The modern computer can adjust for octane, but why run a non-efficient engine?
:drivingz:

[dodgeneonACR98]

The Mopar Performance PCM requires 92 octane min. The window sticker on my 98 ACR states that it could be run off 87 octane but In order to get the rated 150 hp 93 octane is required. The PCM in the car is what determins what Octane rateing it needs to operate. The PCM and it's signals is why it misses not becouse you have the wrong commpresion ratio. There is a long debate on this subject In the Neon section somewhere If I can dig it up I will link it up for yun's. LOL JMO on the subject

[dodgeneonACR98]

Now by increasing octane and not increasing crank compression you now have an engine that exhausts more energy and not transfering it to the crank. (your gas is still burning when the exhaust valve is opening, and this can burn a valve) I'm sure someone on here has taken a cylinder head off and noticed the exhaust valve in one chamber is lighter in color then the other cylinders.
This is true for all types of engines.

Isn't that called Detonation?

[Mark.stolz]

:gr_patrio
The 2004 Neon SE & SXT have a compression ratio of 9.3, 132HP, and require 87 octane gasoline. The R/T ratio is 9.8, 150HP, and requires 91.

The Owners Manual for my Stratus R/T 3.0 states, 87 octane can be used, BUT for maximum performance 91 octane should be used.

The modern computer can adjust for octane, but why run a non-efficient engine?
Maximum performance is directly proportional to depth of pocket. :D Which proves that old adage that the only thing faster than cubic inches is rectangular dollars.

$0.20 per gallon is an extra $2 every fillup. That'll almost buy a gallon of milk!:rck:

[95moparracer]

lol well ive realized if i use less then 91octane the car runs better feels tad quicker and it doesnt crackle and pop as much when i down shift due to the open exhaust... also to me with the higher the octane the car feels like it has more pull, 2 years back my bro tested the octane test at the track by putting in i cant remember the octane but it was higher then 95 in his neon and it dropped time few tenths of a second!

[rice_eater]

I believe it goes as follows for recommended octane ratings:
95-02 SOHC = 89 octane (9.8:1 compression)
03-05 SOHC = 87 octane (9.3:1 compression)
00-05 SOHC Magnum = 91 octane (9.8:1 compression)
95-99 DOHC = 91 octane (9.6:1 compression)

Like stated above, you can run any of these cars on 87 octane, the PCM will retard the timing slightly to prevent detonation (detonation is when the fuel ignites before the spark, uncontrolled combustion). The Mopar PCM has a desensitized knock sensor, meaning it will not retard timing as much even if it detects detonation (power take priority over reliability). This is why 93 octane is recommended for the Mopar PCM (on top of the fact that the PCM further advances timing over stock). What N-GIN is saying is true. if there is no detonation at maximum timing advance, going to a higher octane fuel will do nothing. all fuel stores the same energy (chemical formula is C8H18 if i remember right) octane rating is simply how resistant it is to burning. Thats right, a lower octane fuel is more explosive than a higher octane fuel.

[Mopar Ernie]

:dwave: :cheerl:
Your research was well done. I totally agree.
:drivingz:

[HoodooGuru]

lol. Yeah I guess with that extra $2 saved u could buy some milk, but the engines don't berform too well on that either, be it full cream or skim milk! lol

[stickshiftsrule]

1st tank on the 05' was 28.9 mpg.
EDIT- I mean the wife's neon....LOL

[Mopar Ernie]

1st tank on the 05' was 28.9 mpg.
EDIT- I mean the wife's neon....LOL
:gr_patrio
WoW! Sign up the wife for the old Mobil Economy Run. When that Neon engine gets broken in, she'll be close to 30mpg! Buy her dinner at McDonald's tonite! :)
:drivingz:

[rymeswithorange]

wow,,just did the calculations for my '05,,,,354 kms on 30 ltrs of gas= 11.8 km/ltr.
that converts to 27.76 miles per U.S. gallon!!! i was extremely heavy on the throttle through this tank due to it being a new car to me,,i cant believe it,,cant wait to see the numbers when i take it easy !!

[95moparracer]

well it may say my car will run off of 89 octane or 87 or w/e but it runs like crap on that low of octane!

[rice_eater]

Run what you want, I really dont care, LOL. It doesnt affect me since its you're money. Have you tried a different gas station? I run 93 octane, but only from shell. The car runs like crap on citgo 93, worse than 89 octane shell.

[95moparracer]

i usually use 91 octane from holiday for daily driving... and if im semi broke i use shell 89 octane... once i get pcm will be 93+ all the time!

[donald7150]

I'm not sure of my exact mileage but i can get approx 450-475 kms for a tank of 91 octane gas with a heavy foot lol
I have a '97 Highline with the DOHC and a 5-speed
Also intermittent use of the Air conditioning

[rice_eater]

That would be roughly 45-51 miles per kilometer (whatever that is in MPG) if you fill up right when or shortly after the low fuel light comes on. low fuel light comes on when you've used up about 9 gallons of gas (at least it does on mine). I usually try to get to the nearest shell station ASAP, and end up putting 9.2-9.8 gallons in.

[donald7150]

miles per kilometer??
anyway 475kms is long past the gas light, that was to the point i thought i was about to run out. my gas light comes on when theres 1/8 tank left

At the last fill up my car took $45 at $1.20 a litre

[rice_eater]

miles per kilometer??
anyway 475kms is long past the gas light, that was to the point i thought i was about to run out. my gas light comes on when theres 1/8 tank left

At the last fill up my car took $45 at $1.20 a litre
:thatfunny LOL oops... yeah thats supposed to by kilometers per gallon. my bad. but thats not right either if you let the tank run down to almost fumes. (which isnt good for your fuel pump, by the way)

[donald7150]

running down to fumes doesnt happen very often for me, i deliver pizza at night and all the gas stations are closed at 11pm, suddenly everyone in clarenville wanted pizza after 11pm on a normally not busy night and i only had 1/4 tank of gas

from now on I make sure i have a full tank before i go to work

[95moparracer]

lol well i filled up a few days ago and im at 142 miles on the trip thing and im under half a tank already not by alot but im still under it some... lol my neon gets bad gas mileage lol ( especially if i was to spray even once!)

[HoodooGuru]

Well a mate suggested I change my tyre pressures. I put all 4 up to 36 psi (a little too firm in the ride for my liking) but where I was getting 130 klms for $20 petrol b4 I now get near 180 klms for the same amount of money! Im happy!

[rice_eater]

I run my front tires @ 37-38psi and the rears @ 35-36psi. Ride quality isnt the most important thing in my book... heck its not even number 2 or 3, LOL.

[n-gin]

Isn't that called Detonation?

No not detonation, Detonation is when your timing is to far advanced or the compression is high enough to ignite air fuel mixture without spark (high cranking psi).

[Mopar Ernie]

:gr_patrio
Memorial Day trip, with three adults & no luggage, resulted in 29 MPG from the Neon with an automatic. I'm happy! :dwave:
:drivingz:

[damarble]

I just brought my new-to-me 03 SXT 5 speed home on a 400 mile trip. Even with a fair amount of mountain driving (had to drop to 4th), I averaged about 36-ish. I can't complain about that. When I was car shopping I saw two very different results for Neon mileage. Half the people said it was terrible, around 25mpg. The other half said it was great, close to 40mpg. That's a big gap.

[dodgeneonACR98]

36 is closer to 40 than 25 atleast when I went to school it was! LOL
Congrats on your new found ride. I hope it gives you what you want.

[dodgeneonACR98]

if you let the tank run down to almost fumes. (which isnt good for your fuel pump, by the way)
__________________

You are right Rice. It is hard on the fuel pump. But beleive me I seen more Fords go down from that than Dodge! LOL Another bad car on gas was my Ex GF's 5 spd Cavi.
If that blasted think made it to 1/4 tank without running out you were lucky! It actulally ran out of gas at the 1/4 tank mark. Fuel pumps are expensive and a pain in the ass to change if you ask me.

[beachbrum]

My 2001 RT gets between 26-28 MPG in my normal commuting which is 70 miles round trip daily. 55-60 of those miles are interstate averaging 75mph.

If I do 100% freeway on road trips I have gotten as high as 32 at those speeeds.

[05hemiregcab]

My 95 sohc.. mods were sts, underdrive pulley, shorty header and 2.5 exhaust back. with my FOOT in the gas everywhere I went it got 27mpg..

My current neon.. I get about 150-200 miles to a tank.. U do the math! BOOST just dont give good gas mileage.. but it does make for alot of fun! ;)

[05hemiregcab]

You are right Rice. It is hard on the fuel pump. But beleive me I seen more Fords go down from that than Dodge! LOL Another bad car on gas was my Ex GF's 5 spd Cavi.
If that blasted think made it to 1/4 tank without running out you were lucky! It actulally ran out of gas at the 1/4 tank mark. Fuel pumps are expensive and a pain in the ass to change if you ask me.


I actually had a 98 4 door ohv 2.2 3 speed auto cavy.. with my mom driving it before it was giving to me for graduation (5 years ago) it got 25-28.. with me driving it got around 22-24.. I installed a header, intake, and full exhaust on it.. also had the gay ebay resistor mod in the intake sensor.. ( young and dumb, sure all of us fell for it)

[rice_eater]

The MPG thread is back from the dead!!!!

My 2001 RT gets between 26-28 MPG in my normal commuting which is 70 miles round trip daily. 55-60 of those miles are interstate averaging 75mph.

If I do 100% freeway on road trips I have gotten as high as 32 at those speeeds.
Dude... I'm sorry. That sucks, LOL. But it's useful info to me. I want to know what everyone who has a 2nd Gen R/T is getting for mileage, average city and average highway. I need numbers!!!! Hoodoo, chime in!

BTW... I'm still getting 27-30mpg city, 37-40mpg highway, letting my right foot fully enjoy my '97 DOHC MTX with just about every bolt-on in the book. :D

[alaskaneon]

huh...hoodoo has an R/T? since when?

[HoodooGuru]

Me got a normal 2 gen.
Around town I get about 24-26 mpg with a heavy foot.
Highway about 32 mpg with a heavy foot.
I have seen up to 40 mpg on a long trip with a very LIGHT foot though, cruising in 5th gear.

[rice_eater]

I thought you had an R/T? LOL my bad. Why in the world do the 2nd Gens suck SOOOOO bad for mileage? I mean seriously, thats outrageous.

[95moparracer]

cause they wiegh a shit load.

[HoodooGuru]

They dont weight a heap.
They only weigh something like 110 lbs heavier than a 1 gen!
That aint much at all!

[dodgeneonACR98]

My car gets about the same as Hoodoo's car! Maybe it's my gears and my lead foot.

[cloner1979]

With all my mods im getting 26 on the highway and 19 intown....also depends on how im driving it too....keep your foot out of the oil pan and your gas milage should be around 28mpg

[rice_eater]

My car gets about the same as Hoodoo's car! Maybe it's my gears and my lead foot.
Could very well be, LOL. But then again I've heard of guys on the .org with ACR's pulling 41+mpg highway... I think its the weight.

And the weight difference is more than 110lbs. 1st Gen Base Coupes were 2350-ish, Base sedans were 2425-ish I believe. Options (AC, power windows, sunroof, fogs, spoiler, ATX, etc...) added weight of course. Still, I think the 2nd Gen base sedans weigh in at something like 2570lbs!!!! Where did all that weight come from? Hoodoo, check the frame, is it filled with lead? :huh:

[dodgeneonACR98]

Ive never had alot of highway miles but I know I can get about 300 miles on about 10 gal. Thats about normal cause I can't keep my foot out of it for a full tank full!! LOL

[rice_eater]

Trip's reading 106 miles today and I've only used a quarter tank. On my way to another 30+ MPG tank, city (well, what I consider city anyway, mixed city/country, but lotsa turns, stops, etc... not steady interstate speed.). :D

And I'm very generous with my right foot... I always downshift to 2nd to pass (45-50mph), it's just more fun slamming 3rd right as you pass their door. :rck:

I love my 1st Gen.

[dodgeneonACR98]

And I'm very generous with my right foot... I always downshift to 2nd to pass (45-50mph), it's just more fun slamming 3rd right as you pass their door.

I love my 1st Gen.

Thats insane! I wouldnt think about shifting to second at more than 40 mph.Just not worth it. I normally speed up in 4th to about 60-70 or what ever I get to and then hit 3rd by their door. LOL Thats funny I thought I was the only one who got kicks from that.

[rice_eater]

Thats insane! I wouldnt think about shifting to second at more than 40 mph.Just not worth it. I normally speed up in 4th to about 60-70 or what ever I get to and then hit 3rd by their door. LOL Thats funny I thought I was the only one who got kicks from that.
I have the 3.55 trans, you have the 3.94. 2nd gear will take me to 70mph or so, so hitting it at 45 is just about right, lands right in the meat of the powerband. And besides, I have the Mopar PCM, can't let that 7600rpm rev limit go to waste now can we?

[dodgeneonACR98]

I have the 3.55 trans, you have the 3.94. 2nd gear will take me to 70mph or so, so hitting it at 45 is just about right, lands right in the meat of the powerband. And besides, I have the Mopar PCM, can't let that 7600rpm rev limit go to waste now can we?

I see!! Somehow that slips my mine time to time! Just out of curiosity what can you grab b4 you have to shift to 4th? I can tag 94-95 in 3rd.
We sure can't!!! If I shift to second at 35-40 mph I hit my 7600 rev limit pretty fast. Thats why I normally only use third to pass. In the end it's not any slower if you just let it wind out. Alot of people think they have just smoked me then 3rd winds out.Muahaha!! LOL

[rice_eater]

I dunno, 103, 104 at the top of 3rd? something like that. And I have shorter tires (195/50-15's), with a factory tire size I think you can hit 107-108mph before hitting 7600rpm. Pointless to do so however, since 4th is so closely geared to 3rd that your best bet is going to be shifting 3-4 at 7000-7200rpm with stock cams.

[cloner1979]

I take first gear to 30MPH, 2nd gear to 60-70MPH and like you said, 3rd and 4th gear are pretty close so after I run it out in third (on the highway) its usually just an upshift to 5th and cruise. By this time, your usually eating all the rice on the highway with ease, oh and second gens too.

[dodgeneonACR98]

WOW theres alot of diff in the two gears! Oh well mine still gets there faster :D !

[rice_eater]

Oh well mine still gets there faster :D !
Says who? My turbo car has the 3.55 trans... ;)

[dodgeneonACR98]

Says who? My turbo car has the 3.55 trans...

LMAO OOOOO oh yeah! Well, the Purple Haze is another critter all together im sure it would beat the tar out of my ACR in a drag race but I bet it don't fair so well aginst me on the SCCA coarse. What do you think about that? LOL

[rice_eater]

if it was aligned properly it might... Mopar highrates ;)

Probably doesnt handle as well as your car with the koni's, but it'd probably give you a run for your money. Wanna buy it?

[dodgeneonACR98]

if it was aligned properly it might... Mopar highrates

Probably doesnt handle as well as your car with the koni's, but it'd probably give you a run for your money. Wanna buy it?

I think yould be suprised bro especialy after a few laps! While you may get from point a to point b faster, you will have to slow down sooner and harder for a turn and have a larger margin for error. Your turbo will constantly have to be spooling up and then the brakes would be getting jammed to slow down that is if the turbo even had time to spool between turns. You could also come out hell bent for tuesday and smoke me too if I dont know how to drive. :D

[rice_eater]

The turbo spools before 3000rpm, faster than it does in the SRT-4 on a bigger engine. No problems there.

Anyway, we're way off topic. Apologies.

[dodgeneonACR98]

before 3K thats good real good! your right! Apologies X2

[05hemiregcab]

My green neon.. before my turbo one.. I could only make it too like 60-65 in 2nd.. and around 95-100 in third before shiftin.. that was with a 3.55.. but no upgraded ecu.. so stock 6800 rpm shift I think it is?

[rice_eater]

SOHC rev limiter is 6750 or 6800, something like that yes. DOHC rev limiter is 7200.

[DOMZ04KOTA]

I get 27 mpg.

[n-gin]

24-28 Mpg

[rice_eater]

Last tank... 35mpg. 75% highway, 25% city, cold weather. :D

Gotta love 1st Gens! :rck:

[alaskaneon]

lol! whatever my friend! I'm not far off from that if not dead on for a 2nd Gen!:rck:

[TripleXJ]

my dumbass went from a 25mpg Neon to a 12mpg Jeep :whackit:

[rice_eater]

my dumbass went from a 25mpg Neon to a 12mpg Jeep :whackit:
I'm going to be going from a 30-40mpg neon to a 20mpg Ranger... But it can burn E85. :rck: I think I'll miss the performance of the neon more than the mileage... 150hp in a 3100lb truck isnt quite the same as 160-170hp (whatever its at now) in a 2500lb car... Truck trannies aren't near as fun to row as the NV-T350 either...

Yes you heard right... If all goes well I will be saying goodbye to my neons. One has sold already. The black one will go up for sale as soon as I get the truck licensed/insured.