My 05 is surging under light acceleration and when holding steady at 3000 rpm's while driving. I took it in to the stealership 3 times now and first two times they claimed everything normal (tech couldn't or didn't reproduce).
Today I took shop foreman for ride and showed him problem. He felt it and said it may take awhile to get it because he couldn't think why problem.
Shop called today and said I had altered exhaust and wasn't covered under warranty (also had check engine light was on saying catalytic convertor engine lean condition). they then guessed that this was causing the surging and there is nothing more they can do. (He also didn't even think there was a cat on it, and that he had never seen headers on one before shows how little they know).
He then blamed me saying that it was my fault and I shouldn't drive at 3000 to cause the condition.
Anyway I want to get it fixed and dealer says all is well. (Also maybe unrelated last week they updated computer and now cruise only works intermittently, not setting codes just won't turn on sometimes.)
Any help is appreciated thanks all :help:
Hemi31
04-25-2006, 07:34 PM
If you have Dynatech headres it is a common problem with the CEL's for the cats.There is no agreed on fix for this.Some say O2 spacers will help,others say o2 simulaters.I have also heard the new style dynatech cats have the o2 sensors moved further down the pipe which is supposed to eliminate the problem.The headers and cats have voided the Emmisions warranty and if they can prove that is the problem with the surging you will be SOL...sorry
gsjoe
04-26-2006, 07:44 AM
sounds like a "egr" problem. You might check that.
Dave05RT
04-26-2006, 11:17 AM
They have no evidence that the exhaust are causing the problem they just said they had checked everything and couldn't come up with any other explanation. Their exact words were that they had scanned it and checked it over and since there were no other codes other than P420 and P430 they were blaming the surging on the exhaust.
rorymagnum
04-26-2006, 06:45 PM
I had surging similar to what you described. There is a tsb for a tranny fluid leak at the front of the transmission comming from the 16 pin plug just above front lip of the pan. First they replace the o-ring on the plug, and then if oil reappears they replace the valve body. A leaky valve body must have been causing my surging because once it was replaced the surging was completely gone.
If you have a leak, don't expect the tranny fluid to leak onto the ground. You have to get under the car and visually inspect the plug and the front of the pan. If there is any oily residue at all then take it in for the tsb repair. Even if there is no visible residue on the tranny I'd pull the plug out and make sure it's not oily inside there.
I hope that's your problem because it's all covered under warranty. I have modified exhaust also, and of course that has nothing to do with the tranny problem.
Dave05RT
04-27-2006, 12:06 PM
I will do that this weekend thanks! I reset computer with no idiot light and still bad surging, so that basically flunks their excuse of the exhaust causing the problem. The shop simply wants to be rid of me and so they made the excuse. Do you know the tsb # so I can pull it up and confront them with it? Thanks for all help!
ColorMeGray
04-27-2006, 02:10 PM
I had the same problem with my 05 RT (albeit, at about 2400RPM) and it WAS fixed under a TSB in January. My dealer doesn't have the number, but the title was "Transmission Seepage". Hope that helps you.
Dave05RT
04-27-2006, 05:05 PM
I went ahead and got a subscription to infotraxx to get all the TSB and recalls I found "069355 AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FLUID (ATF) WEEPAGE - REVISED" which is attached. Is this what was the problem? It doesn't say anything about a surging condition only about weeping. Other than that there was only the previous one about weepage before this was revised. Was this the problem?
ColorMeGray
04-27-2006, 05:25 PM
yes... for whatever reason, the "surging" seemed to have cleared up.
However, I think I'm noticing something similar again. I'm hoping that's just the weather changing.(?)
rorymagnum
04-27-2006, 05:56 PM
yes... for whatever reason, the "surging" seemed to have cleared up.
However, I think I'm noticing something similar again. I'm hoping that's just the weather changing.(?)
Ditto that, except I haven't noticed any hint of surging since my valve body was replaced. I don't even know if dc is "officially" aware of the surging connection to the leaky valve bodies, but nonetheless, replacing the valve bodies is fixing the surging problem.
Dave05RT
04-28-2006, 12:59 PM
Ditto that, except I haven't noticed any hint of surging since my valve body was replaced. I don't even know if dc is "officially" aware of the surging connection to the leaky valve bodies, but nonetheless, replacing the valve bodies is fixing the surging problem.
Can you give me the name and phone of the dealer and tech that diagnosed and fixed yours so I can have them call to verify that this is the correct fix. They don't want to listen to me. It sounds reasonable since I have also been complaining of shift problems for hte past two months as well, but they keep saying all is normal. The past few days it seems even worse shifting it feels like the engine will lunge and clunk into each higher gear while under light throttle.
ColorMeGray
04-28-2006, 02:30 PM
check your e-mail, OK?
Dave05RT
04-28-2006, 03:58 PM
check your e-mail, OK?
Thanks I got the info and will be bringing it in next week to see if I can get the service done. Over the past couple of days it feels like it is getting worse. I hope this takes care of it. I have been loving it but my experience with service is souring me to Dodge again.
Dave05RT
05-28-2006, 11:23 PM
Ok guys. I took it in and showed them the tsb's and they replaced the seals on the trans and flushed it. Problem is it still surges. Dealer doesn't have any more solutions. They are incapable of diagnosing problem. What so I do? Does Dodge have a place where I can file a complaint or have some good tech look at it?
Dave05RT
06-09-2006, 07:34 PM
I have taken it in again and they are claiming the surging is normal.
The service manager claims that Dodge will not authorize a valve body replacement b/c he drove another one on the lot (with 38k) that also had surging problem so based on this they are claiming that it is normal and engineered this way.
I went off on the service manager b/c they kept the car for two days and nothing was fixed, not even the little things, b/c tech said all were normal and functioning as designed. I then showed them all the problems and he rescheduled me for more work but the everyone at Dodge has been rude and I have to point out problems numerous times to get them fixed, do they only hire people that ride the short bus or what.
Don't get me wrong I love the car but if they can't get it fixed I may learn a lesson and stay away from Dodge in the future. If dealer can't pull a code out telling him what is exactly wrong they can't fix anything. Are there any competent mechanics working for Dodge?
Anyway sorry about the ranting. Is anyone out there able to help me with tech info or how to deal with dealer to get problem fixed or even diagnosed?
I cannot seem to get concrete info about anyone who has actually had this surging problem and had it corrected. (replacing o-rings didn't help, or flushing the trans).
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mag300x
06-09-2006, 08:32 PM
:cool: I've had (have) a similar problem. When I turn key the car is in a high revved state and the engine 'lightning' light is flashing. As soon as I release the brake, the car wants to take off.
Luckily, I figured out when this happens, (though I don't know 'why' it happens).
About 10% of the time if I start the car with the air conditioner on AND the radio on, the above happens. I just simply turn off the car, turn off the air and radio then re-start and everything is back to normal.
I don't know if this helps your situation, or if it's the same thing, but it could be something you could look out for. :cool:
PAINE
08-07-2006, 12:28 PM
Check this out. I found accidenattly and remembered your dealer woes
According to the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, a vehicle manufacturer cannot void the warranty of your vehicle due to an aftermarket part unless they can prove that the aftermarket part was the cause or contributed to the failure of the vehicle (15 U.S.C. 2302(C)). It’s always best to work with a performance-oriented dealership, but no matter who you choose, you’re protected by the law.
